And that tells me about all I need to know about you. That and your picture of an attack chopper.
The worse thing for you or me? Because I could care less either way you idiotic neofascist Bush asskissing inthecloset freak.
Wow, my world has instantly become a better place! Thanks moron!
Originally posted by proud_savagette
You seem to be missing the point completely.
Have you ever heard of the procedure the police must go through before making an arrest? And what are you getting at? Cops DO like peaceful citizens--why wouldn't they? You make no sense. Just because they like peaceful citizens doesn't mean there aren't going to be people rising up and being stupid because they're hateful. You obviously don't know how to write a comprehensible paragraph in this case.
Now, first off, I said there COULD be some people in there that are innocent, but according to my cousin, who would probably be very angry at your flippant remark, because one mistake in his career could cost him his life while he's protecting your sorry little butt, there are two different personalities in them. You know, one is peace-loving, and the others are the ones holding the guns and setting of the bombs? You know? And perhaps you heard it from the other guy for one reason...perhaps it's TRUE!
Hearsay evidence? HEARSAY? Oh, yeah, my cousin, who works with these people, counts as hearsay? The man from 101st Airborne, who worked directly with these people, is hearsay? Their knowledge of the enemy vs. the Iraqi CITIZENS is hearsay? Riiiiight.
And don't quote me saying something I didn't. I didn't say those exact words, and you know it. Your twisted liberal mind obviously can't understand things the way they were written.
Ah, yes, protect Kerry...the one who did nothing about the terrorist warning at Logan Airport...yes, let's protect him. Well, let's see what one of his buddies in Nam said about him, shall we? Oh, for the record, my exaggeration of his time in Nam referred to actual battle, actual fighting, actual service--in my opinion he spent a lot of time screwing around, as you will read in the following article:
A Vet Questions John Kerry's Military Service
By FrontPage Magazine
FrontPageMagazine.com | February 20, 2004
The following was sent to a Marine chat net by a retired Marine Master Sergeant who was in S-2, 3rd Bn, 1st Marines, Korea in 1954. It calls into serious question John Kerry's military actions in Vietnam. We present it to give our readers another perspective to the media's one-sided "war hero" adulation, and to open his actions to the light of public discourse. -- The Editors.
I was in the Delta shortly after John Kerry left. I know that area well. I know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the doctrine used, and I know the equipment. Although I was attached to CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift boats), Kerry's command.
Here are my problems and suspicions:
(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts. I never heard of anybody with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves, Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware that fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job, but that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.
(2) He collected three Purple Hearts but has no limp. All his injuries were so minor that he lost no time from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat on, the boats were almost always at close range. You didn't have minor wounds, at least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used the three Purple Hearts to request a trip home eight months before the end of his tour. Fishy.
(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off, shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything wrong.
(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring-do in your after-action report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that, too.
(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area. EVER! The reason was simple: If you had somebody on the beach, your boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat during or after a firefight.
Something is fishy.
Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running across the bow of a Japanese destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early and requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can run for Congress. In that election, he finds out war heroes don't sell well in Massachsetts in 1970, so he reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and has Bobby Kennedy's speechwriter to do the heavy lifting. A few years later he winds up in the Senate himself, where he votes against every major defense bill and says the CIA is irrelevant after the Berlin Wall came down. He votes against the Gulf War (a big political mistake since that turned out well), then decides not to make the same mistake twice so votes for invading Iraq -- but that didn't fare as well with the Democrats, so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted to allow him to go to war.
I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander-in-Chief. I hope that somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildy inflated.
Thank you. Oh, and to your cutesy little touch of putting his military records website on there, he just did that, after people got p.o.ed with him not showing his own stuff despite the fact that he was questioning Bush's. Do you not remember hearing this on the radio, hm? Oh, never mind, liberal radio STINKS. No talent in THAT category. How about on television? It was quite a large thing for those of us who pay attention and don't follow blindly, because indeed I don't. I'm not a huge Bush lover, I'm really not. But I believe Bush is the lesser of two evils...and the only reason he has declined in quality of command is because of you liberals--he's damned if he does and he's damned if he doesn't. You guys never let him win. And no one wanted to know about Bush's record. He didn't have people questioning his honesty because he was tearing apart his opponent's record, did he? Oh, and by the way, I haven't served because of a little thing called BEING UNDER AGE. Therefore, he is no better than I at this point, because I haven't had the chance. So, sorry, that argument is null.
I am rather shocked at your hatred for pilots. Piloting a plane is very difficult to do--and yes, since my family has a military history, you are going to hear about how my grandfather trained pilots in World War II and how my father flies planes frequently--the small ones, not the commercial ones. What, do you think flying is easy? What about flying under fire? You think it's easy to dodge that, eh? Then you're a fool. Because it's not. This is where your line of expertise draws to a close. You are talking to a girl raised hearing about airplanes specifically, so don't give me any of that "coked up drunkass" crap. You couldn't take off like that, let alone dodge bullets! How ignorant are you about airplanes, for pete's sake? Do you know why there are no purple hearts for people who fly planes? DO YOU? NO, OF COURSE NOT! YOU COULDN'T REASON OR USE LOGIC TO COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT MOST PILOTS WIND UP DEAD IF THEY GET SHOT DOWN, YOU MORON! THEY'RE DEAD!!!!
nice sarcasm. it's not his fault he didn't get sent there. And what is so shocking about him being willing to risk his life in battle? You obviously don't think he'd do it, but then again, you're dumb enough to think that Kerry is a hero.
Oh yeah, let's see--how many sex scandals has there been since Bush was in office? hmm...who didn't take the chance to nab bin Laden? hmm....
So now it's his dad's fault that Bush didn't go to Vietnam. You know, a Bush adviser accused Mr. Kerry of pretending to throw away his medals to protest against the war in 1971. He has reportedly said for years that he threw away his RIBBONS, not MEDALS. But during a 1971 interview re-aired on ABC, Mr. Kerry said he tossed away as many as NINE war medals, the Washington Post reported. The terms "ribbons" and "medals" were interchangeable, the newspaper reported him as saying. Yeah, some hero you got there. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3662439.stm
the source for you, in case you don't believe me, which you probably don't.
Please name a time when Bush said something like that to a Secret Service Agent in front of a bunch of reporters. I would like to hear about it.
Oh, I see. This is an UNNECESSARY war....ohhh....so we should...what...just let the terrorists come and kill us and we can all just sit here and wait for it to happen....hmm...and then no blame will go to the liberal media, of course, for the failure of the war, because they're liberals, and they control the news, so they twist everything, give away our position....make it so any fool with a radio or tv could listen in and figure out how to strike...and yes, if you would like to know some examples, just ask, cause there are tons of them....yeah....this war is so unnecessary....we should all just accept the fact that these Muslims want to take over the world....alot of you liberals hate christians anyway...you just don't realize that they're out to get you too.
First off, I never said that Bush was the great hero of Nam, now did I? When you compared the two, I simply stated that in terms of heroes, Bush is way ahead of Kerry. After all, he's trying to protect his country with all of you liberals tearing at his throat every single second.
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Originally posted by insein
i think spidey has exposed himself as an ill-informed liberal wacko. That was my real goal. I knew i'd never get him to see the truth. So might as well expose him which he did most of the work on.
No, you made that up to suit your argument. Thinking people believe that if something is wrong it is wrong, no matter what wrongs others are committing.
Well gee George, I agree, but we already know just about everything there is to know about the lives Hussein has ruined, are you suggesting we rehash over all that information again just for ole time's sake?
Well you're obviously a big liar, or you can't read. If you could ,you'd notice that in every single post I make I point out what an evil man Saddam Hussein is.
No excuse for WHAT? Wanting to know the full extent of US abuses? OK, fine, I'm sorry, I forgot, I live in an Orwellian society where I am not allowed to talk about any bad things that we did. You're right, I'm wrong. The rest of the world is evil, but God shines on the US and the US can do no wrong, to even talk about it is obviously a "double standard" in the eyes of those who think everyone ought follow international law but the US.
