A dose of truth:

[Desperado]

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

 

[RoccoR]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

The poll is an old one where it is banking on the younger generation being more pro Palestinian, not taking into consideration that as Americans get older they get more knowledgable and wiser and as a result more pro Israel. It's been happening for the last 70 years.

 

[Bleipriester]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

 

[Roudy]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

Let's be clear, it's the butcher Assad that has oppressed and killed 300,000 of his own unarmed people using the country's military. Israel on the other hand is fighting the Assads, ISIS', Hezbollahs, and Hamases of the region.

True story.

 

[Bleipriester]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

Let's be clear, it's the butcher Assad that has oppressed and killed 300,000 of his own unarmed people using the country's military. Israel on the other hand is fighting the Assads, ISIS', Hezbollahs, and Hamases of the region.

True story.

A blatant lie. The figures you are sucking from SOHR describe SOHR´s total of people killed in the war. So **** off with your lies, you unreliable propaganda clown.

 

[Roudy]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

Let's be clear, it's the butcher Assad that has oppressed and killed 300,000 of his own unarmed people using the country's military. Israel on the other hand is fighting the Assads, ISIS', Hezbollahs, and Hamases of the region.

True story.

A blatant lie. The figures you are sucking from SOHR describe SOHR´s total of people killed in the war. So **** off with your lies, you unreliable propaganda clown.

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

 

[Bleipriester]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

Let's be clear, it's the butcher Assad that has oppressed and killed 300,000 of his own unarmed people using the country's military. Israel on the other hand is fighting the Assads, ISIS', Hezbollahs, and Hamases of the region.

True story.

A blatant lie. The figures you are sucking from SOHR describe SOHR´s total of people killed in the war. So **** off with your lies, you unreliable propaganda clown.

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

 

[Roudy]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

​

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

Let's be clear, it's the butcher Assad that has oppressed and killed 300,000 of his own unarmed people using the country's military. Israel on the other hand is fighting the Assads, ISIS', Hezbollahs, and Hamases of the region.

True story.

A blatant lie. The figures you are sucking from SOHR describe SOHR´s total of people killed in the war. So **** off with your lies, you unreliable propaganda clown.

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

 

[Bleipriester]

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

Let's be clear, it's the butcher Assad that has oppressed and killed 300,000 of his own unarmed people using the country's military. Israel on the other hand is fighting the Assads, ISIS', Hezbollahs, and Hamases of the region.

True story.

A blatant lie. The figures you are sucking from SOHR describe SOHR´s total of people killed in the war. So **** off with your lies, you unreliable propaganda clown.

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

 

[Roudy]

Let's be clear, it's the butcher Assad that has oppressed and killed 300,000 of his own unarmed people using the country's military. Israel on the other hand is fighting the Assads, ISIS', Hezbollahs, and Hamases of the region.

True story.

A blatant lie. The figures you are sucking from SOHR describe SOHR´s total of people killed in the war. So **** off with your lies, you unreliable propaganda clown.

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

 

[Bleipriester]

A blatant lie. The figures you are sucking from SOHR describe SOHR´s total of people killed in the war. So **** off with your lies, you unreliable propaganda clown.

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

"There were observers from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela. They issued a statement saying the election were "free, fair and transparent"."
Syrian presidential election, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Roudy]

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

"There were observers from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela. They issued a statement saying the election were "free, fair and transparent"."
Syrian presidential election, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about you go **** yourself? This is the part you omitted:

"The Gulf Cooperation Council, the European Union and the United States dismissed the election as illegitimate. Attempts to hold an election under the circumstances of an ongoing civil war were criticized by UN secretary general [URL='https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ban_Ki-moon']Ban Ki-moon.[/URL]"

*** and do tell us how he came to power in the first place. If not for his dictator father groomed him as his replacements. I guess we've seen it all, Islamist supporters and then you, a shameless Syrian ass licker of a brutal Arab dictator. As a side note Assad has murdered more innocent Arabs and Syrians than ISIS by the hundreds of thousands.

You are truly a shameless depraved pathetic individual, obsessively defending the equivalent of an Arab Hilter, and to this extent.

 

[Bleipriester]

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

"There were observers from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela. They issued a statement saying the election were "free, fair and transparent"."
Syrian presidential election, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about you go **** yourself? This is the part you omitted:

"The Gulf Cooperation Council, the European Union and the United States dismissed the election as illegitimate. Attempts to hold an election under the circumstances of an ongoing civil war were criticized by UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon."

*** and do tell us how he came to power in the first place. If not for his dictator father groomed him as his replacements. I guess we've seen it all, Islamist supporters and then you, a shameless Syrian ass licker of a brutal Arab dictator. As a side note Assad has murdered more innocent Arabs and Syrians than ISIS by the hundreds of thousands.

You are truly a shameless depraved pathetic individual, obsessively defending the equivalent of an Arab Hilter, and to this extent.

Those are the ones that support the war on Syria, right?

How come your Presidents to power? Being candidates of a two-party system that cannot be voted out of office?

You better put your filthy conk out of other´s affairs and start to care about your own, instead. It is not acceptable that those who have tho most skeletons in their closets permanently point at others, showering them with propaganda lies. Listen, herald of the new world pig order: you cannot fool me.

 

[Phoenall]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

View attachment 48223
FROM: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 953-1 Filed 08/10/15 Page 3 of 5​

I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

If they were unarmed they would not have qassams, kalishnokovs, grads, D.U. bullets and other tools of war Shows how much you will LIE to get your Jew hatred across. Care to explain why it is that the Palestinian negotiators always demand pre conditions and when told that the wont get them walk out and bring the talks to an end. Started with Arafat and is still happening today

 

[Phoenall]

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

"There were observers from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela. They issued a statement saying the election were "free, fair and transparent"."
Syrian presidential election, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about you go **** yourself? This is the part you omitted:

"The Gulf Cooperation Council, the European Union and the United States dismissed the election as illegitimate. Attempts to hold an election under the circumstances of an ongoing civil war were criticized by UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon."

*** and do tell us how he came to power in the first place. If not for his dictator father groomed him as his replacements. I guess we've seen it all, Islamist supporters and then you, a shameless Syrian ass licker of a brutal Arab dictator. As a side note Assad has murdered more innocent Arabs and Syrians than ISIS by the hundreds of thousands.

You are truly a shameless depraved pathetic individual, obsessively defending the equivalent of an Arab Hilter, and to this extent.

Those are the ones that support the war on Syria, right?

How come your Presidents to power? Being candidates of a two-party system that cannot be voted out of office?

You better put your filthy conk out of other´s affairs and start to care about your own, instead. It is not acceptable that those who have tho most skeletons in their closets permanently point at others, showering them with propaganda lies. Listen, herald of the new world pig order: you cannot fool me.

Yes he can and this happens every few years. While in power he can be impeached which means he is out of a job and on the unemployed line to prison.

 

[Phoenall]

speaking of propaganda clowns, clown, how many of his own people do you estimate that Assad has killed using the country's own military, you ass licker of ASSad, the mass murdering genocidal Arab dictator?

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

"There were observers from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela. They issued a statement saying the election were "free, fair and transparent"."
Syrian presidential election, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All nations where vote rigging and election fraud is par for the course

 

[Bleipriester]

Desperado, Roudy, PROTECTIONIST, BLEIPRIESTER, FLACALTENN, et al,

In keeping with the theme of this thread, A Dose of Truth, I thought that it might be important to remember that the polls are not the only indicator of support.

What really matters is what the American people and those that represent them in the House and Senate think!
Support for Israel runs extremely strong across both parties and an overwhelming majority of American public.

Not so fast. Seems Americans are waking up!
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing, new poll shows
Survey conducted by U.S.-Jewish group the Israel Project asked Americans and Europeans about their views on Israel.
U.S. support for Israel is decreasing new poll shows - Haaretz Daily Newspaper Israel News
American Evangelicals' Support For Israel Is Waning, Reports Say
American Evangelicals Support For Israel Is Waning Reports Say
So things are looking better.

(COMMENT)

Certainly the general population of respondents would rather see peace and security in the Middle East, further violence, growing hostilities and chaos. And for most Americans, the concern is further entanglements in a region and for a people that are more accustom to the ravages of violence and terrorism --- and would readily turn against and bite the hand that feeds them in their effect to secure peace.

I think it is safe to say that Americans find US Foreign Policy a bit fickled; particularly in regards to national interests which appear not to evolve with the developing situations and, especially as regards one's obligations and interests. There is a difference in the perception of Americans and the Foreign Policy of Government. A very recent (fresh off the press sort-a-speak) example of what Americans perception thinks is found in the case of Sokolow v. PLO, 04-cv-00397, U.S. District Court, Southern District of New York (Manhattan).

Sokolow, et al 'vs' Palestine Liberation Organization et al
[SDNY] The 2004 lawsuit by victims of bombings in Israel seeks up to $3 billion in damages from attacks between January 2001 and February 2004 by the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO). In Sept 2008 U.S. District Judge George Daniels rejected the PLO's argument that the attacks were acts of war rather than terrorism.

The Obama administration has intervened in a lawsuit over Palestinian terror attacks that have killed Americans, advising a judge that requiring a hefty bond payment in the case could financially destabilize the Palestinian government.

The filing comes in a case in New York City, where a jury this year awarded $218.5 million to Americans affected by the attacks in a lawsuit brought against the Palestine Liberation Organization and the Palestinian Authority. That amount is automatically tripled under the Anti-Terrorism Act, lawyers have said.

By intervening, the federal government said it was trying to strike a balance between supporting the rights of terrorism victims to be compensated in court and concerns that a large bond imposed while the verdict is on appeal would weaken the legitimacy of the Palestinian Authority and undermine "several decades of U.S. foreign policy."

He said the loss of the Palestinian Authority's governing powers would likely "fuel anger and frustration" and could lead to widespread violence in the West Bank.

SOURCE: Eric Tucker, Associated Press Wednesday, August 12, 2015

In this compensation claim under the anti-Terrorism Act (ATA), in which the PLO/PA was seen to provide material support and sponsorship to the various terrorists activities in various attacks; that killed American Citizens. In making this award, I don't think that the US Jury considered the government formed by the PLO/PA to be any less than an elaborate terrorist organization. And clearly the Jury considered the viability and stability of the PLO/PA to be of less importance than US Foreign Policy which has been ineffective for more than a decade; even at the cost of several billion dollars..

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I would not look at the raw Poll Data and assume the logical conclusion is to interpret it as a decline in support for Israel. Americans know, from several cases, that the Palestinian Authority employs Fatah Activists involved in terrorism and suicide attacks (See example: Case 1:04-cv-00397-GBD-RLE Document 693-21 Filed 12/30/14 Page 1 of 33). And, with the very rare exception, if you were to present an American with this kind of information, they would come to a similar conclusion: The PLO/PA materially supports other terrorist organizations and finances terrorist activities. And is you were to ask, a sample population of American if they would support the PLO/PA over the IDF/Israel, the result would be overwhelmingly in favor of the IDF/Israel. As a general rule (true much more ofter than not) --- Americans are less likely to support governments or activities and organizations that support terrorism. Americans (as opposed to a unsuccessful foreign policy effort) do not care one wit if another terrorist organizations falls; let alone one that is guilty of supporting terrorism 21st Century that has killed Americans. If the West Bank and/or Gaza collapses into chaos and the Arab Palestinian --- they wouldn't care in the numbers that you suggest.

Most Respectfully,
R

If we don´t mooch around in a corner, defining terrorism and start to count the number of innocent victims suffered by each side, instead, the mood in the West, especially in the US, would be completely different.

We have international tools that are made to solve such situations but they are bound and corrupted by the US, which is behind Israel in every case, regardless of how bloody its misbehavior might have been. Oppressing an unarmed people using all means and then whining about their self-made rockets and suicide attacks is just hypocrisy. If it wasn´t an Islamist group that fires back it would be a non-islamist group that fires back.
The Israelis must know that their government does not want a permanent solution.

If they were unarmed they would not have qassams, kalishnokovs, grads, D.U. bullets and other tools of war Shows how much you will LIE to get your Jew hatred across. Care to explain why it is that the Palestinian negotiators always demand pre conditions and when told that the wont get them walk out and bring the talks to an end. Started with Arafat and is still happening today

While I have mentioned the rockets in the same post, you have probably not read so far and hammered your hate post into the internet.

 

[Bleipriester]

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

"There were observers from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela. They issued a statement saying the election were "free, fair and transparent"."
Syrian presidential election, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about you go **** yourself? This is the part you omitted:

"The Gulf Cooperation Council, the European Union and the United States dismissed the election as illegitimate. Attempts to hold an election under the circumstances of an ongoing civil war were criticized by UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon."

*** and do tell us how he came to power in the first place. If not for his dictator father groomed him as his replacements. I guess we've seen it all, Islamist supporters and then you, a shameless Syrian ass licker of a brutal Arab dictator. As a side note Assad has murdered more innocent Arabs and Syrians than ISIS by the hundreds of thousands.

You are truly a shameless depraved pathetic individual, obsessively defending the equivalent of an Arab Hilter, and to this extent.

Those are the ones that support the war on Syria, right?

How come your Presidents to power? Being candidates of a two-party system that cannot be voted out of office?

You better put your filthy conk out of other´s affairs and start to care about your own, instead. It is not acceptable that those who have tho most skeletons in their closets permanently point at others, showering them with propaganda lies. Listen, herald of the new world pig order: you cannot fool me.

Yes he can and this happens every few years. While in power he can be impeached which means he is out of a job and on the unemployed line to prison.

The two-party system has ruled the country since its foundation.

Führerweisung 183: The two-party system is above you.

 

[Bleipriester]

Assad does not own a people, you propaganda clown. The people elected Assad and trust in the Syrian army, you shithead.

You are a ******* idiot. Hafez Assad was a barbaric brutal dictator who massacred his own people and when he died his son Bashar took over and outdid his father by far when it came to killing his own people.

"people elected Assad" as much as the Iraqis elected Sadam and North Koreans elected Kim Dung Poop. Go get an education, you ******* moron.

The Presidential elections were overlooked by international monitors and described as fair and transparent, you propaganda clown.

Ha ha ha. Seriously you are a shit shoveling ******* moron. A brutal Arab dictator died and his son and even more brutal and barbaric madman was installed as leader. You either have no knowledge of the Middle East or are extremely uneducated.

"There were observers from more than 30 countries including Bolivia, Brazil, Cuba, Ecuador, India, Iran, Iraq, Nicaragua, Russia, South Africa and Venezuela. They issued a statement saying the election were "free, fair and transparent"."
Syrian presidential election, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All nations where vote rigging and election fraud is par for the course

Sure? And by what reasons are US decisions made which countries are to blame and which not?