A Couple of Soviet 1945 Dated M1927 Shashka Cossack Swords

[1srelluc]

I've not done all that much research on them other than I'm pretty sure they are real and not repros. Supposedly they were officer's swords.

Both are dated 1945 and from the same factory....No idea of the factory.

Neither must have been issued as both retain their factory edges. No unit markings. The only difference is in inspector's markings.

 

[TNHarley]

You are all set for the zombies now

 

[1srelluc]

You are all set for the zombies now

I'll need a horse, the grip angle is designed for downward slashing from horseback....It's a fair thruster too.

 

[JGalt]

 

[1srelluc]

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Yeah, the leftists here would give me more.

 

[Shawnee_b]

Very cool. That "HM3" on the tang doesn't help with maker?

 

[JGalt]

Yeah, the leftists here would give me more.

I've seen a lot of shit in my time. Those are authentic.

 

[1srelluc]

I've seen a lot of shit in my time. Those are authentic.

Yeah, I've determined that too, I've already had two offers from members on other blade forums to buy them....See what arf is missing out on.

 

[1srelluc]

Very cool. That "HM3" on the tang doesn't help with maker?

No, or at least I can't find reference to it. There's a Russian guy on a international sword forum that would know but for some reason I can't register due to their "I'm not a robot" thingy being on the blink.

 

[fncceo]

Have the blades tested for Nazi DNA.

 

[1srelluc]

Have the blades tested for Nazi DNA.

The Germans actually issued some Nazi marked Shashkas to the Ukrainian Cossacks in their service but most were just ones that had been captured then reissued.

 

[JGalt]

Yeah, I've determined that too, I've already had two offers from members on other blade forums to buy them....See what arf is missing out on.

Here is a picture of the handle of a reproduction of that same sword. Notice the detail isn't as fine as yours..

REPRO PATTERN RUSSIAN COSSACK TROOPER SWORD SABER SWORD | #31616001

Here's another cheapo that sold on Ebay for $135..

Here's one being pawned off on Ebay as being "WW2 era", but it doesn't have any of the markings yours has:

WW2 Soviet Russian cavalry shashka M1927 cossack sword | eBay

From what I could find, the "HM3" marking is also found on other Russian edged weapons.

WW2 Russian Navy Dress Dagger?

Original Soviet Russian WWII Naval Dagger with Scabbard and Waist Belt - Dated 1945

 

[JGalt]

Here's one that sold on Ebay for $1,331.06. It's dated 1938

ORIGINAL WWII 1938 DATED RUSSIAN SHASHQUA COSSACK SABER SWORD W/ BAYONET | eBay

 

[1srelluc]

Here is a picture of the handle of a reproduction of that same sword. Notice the detail isn't as fine as yours..

REPRO PATTERN RUSSIAN COSSACK TROOPER SWORD SABER SWORD | #31616001

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Here's another cheapo that sold on Ebay for $135..

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Here's one being pawned off on Ebay as being "WW2 era", but it doesn't have any of the markings yours has:

WW2 Soviet Russian cavalry shashka M1927 cossack sword | eBay

From what I could find, the "HM3" marking is also found on other Russian edged weapons.

WW2 Russian Navy Dress Dagger?

Original Soviet Russian WWII Naval Dagger with Scabbard and Waist Belt - Dated 1945

LOL....That HM3 marking on that IMA dagger looks sketchy as shit. Looks like someone tried enhancing the proper stamp with a EP....... On one of my swords the HM3 marking is stamped kinda light, the other much deeper.

FYI.....In collector circles IMA is also considered sketchy as shit. One guy calls them the Mitchell's Mausers of mil-surp collectables.

 

[Viktor]

I've not done all that much research on them other than I'm pretty sure they are real and not repros. Supposedly they were officer's swords.

Both are dated 1945 and from the same factory....No idea of the factory.

Neither must have been issued as both retain their factory edges. No unit markings. The only difference is in inspector's markings.

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The Red Army did not issue swords in 1945, Those are fakes.

 

[1srelluc]

Here's one that sold on Ebay for $1,331.06. It's dated 1938

ORIGINAL WWII 1938 DATED RUSSIAN SHASHQUA COSSACK SABER SWORD W/ BAYONET | eBay

That's a enlisted man's sword, hence the bayonet. Officers carried pistols so no need of a bayonet on their issue swords.....I think the one with the bayonet is cool as shit.

 

[JGalt]

I couldn't find anything on the HM3, but that is the factory code. The markings on this sword I found are as follows:

ЗИК(Златоустовский инструментальный комбинат) 1940 - Zlatoust Instrumental Factory 1940
ГМ - assembly stamp
15кг - steel hardness test stamp

 

[1srelluc]

The Red Army did not issue swords in 1945, Those are fakes.

They did and they were produced up till 1950 when production stopped.....Then around the mid-90s they produced/issued them again.....I assume without the Soviet markings.

 

[Viktor]

They did and they were produced up till 1950 when production stopped.....Then around the mid-90s they produced them again.

BULLSHIT. I just looked it up.

 

[1srelluc]

BULLSHIT. I just looked it up.

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