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Hell CChinahas bought our politicians. They don't need to fight us, they already control our government.
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A coordinated, joint attack on the United States.
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Hell CChinahas bought our politicians. They don't need to fight us, they already control our government.
basquebromance
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When Mark Twain wrote his satire, A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court, in 1889, he envisaged what the new tools of industrialization would wreak upon a western military culture steeped in the romance of war as a chivalrous calling. Twain’s Colt revolver superintendent, Hank Morgan, inagcally transported to a medieval Arthurian world, uses industrial technology to destroy a feudal civilization, annihilating lines of charging arnioured warriors with firepower and electricity. Only a magc spell from the necromancer Merlin that condemns the Yankee to a sleep of the centuries in a cave of the dead, finally ends the slaughter.
In the two World Wars, Twain’s Yankee appeared symbolically on the fields of Europe to cut down the armies of the Old World with machine gun bullet, shell and aerial bomb. In these struggles, the iIidustrialization of the twentieth century ended the mystique of armed conflict as a heroic and romantic endeavour in the spirit of Honier and Sir Thomas Malory. Mass production and battlefields of slaughter from Verdun to the Basra Highway disenchanted war in the twentieth-century human imagination. After such disenchantment, is it possible that the lure of war could yet again appeal under new conditions in the twenty-first century?
It's up to you guys on this thread to figure it out, and of course i'll help ya!
In the two World Wars, Twain’s Yankee appeared symbolically on the fields of Europe to cut down the armies of the Old World with machine gun bullet, shell and aerial bomb. In these struggles, the iIidustrialization of the twentieth century ended the mystique of armed conflict as a heroic and romantic endeavour in the spirit of Honier and Sir Thomas Malory. Mass production and battlefields of slaughter from Verdun to the Basra Highway disenchanted war in the twentieth-century human imagination. After such disenchantment, is it possible that the lure of war could yet again appeal under new conditions in the twenty-first century?
It's up to you guys on this thread to figure it out, and of course i'll help ya!
BothWings
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Our government, when stopped by democrats and certain RINOs who support them well appearing to walk on the other side of the tracks, all right just doing nothing. They are downright enabling and in cohorts with them. They have willfully developed this relationship between the United States and China to help those in their secret little society get rich off of it. They are not true Americans they just have their offices here and manage the western department or bureau of the globalist agenda.You bring up the other reason why I don't believe we will ever be in a conventional war with China. We are so intertwined economically they would be hurting themselves even if they won. They just need to keep to their strategy as our complicit government does nothing to stop their stealing, spying and attacking.
...of their own money? Old news...and not really relevant~You mean Obama handing Iran $150,000,000,000?
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...of their own money? Old news...and not really relevant~
oh, so the government has to hand back money and property forfeited? I did not know that
Many things you don't know~oh, so the government has to hand back money and property forfeited? I did not know that
However..the money is question was not forfeited..it was sequestered. The accounts frozen. Actual ownership was never contested.
Military viruses should not be overlooked. Knowledge about American coronaviruses has been deliberately kept from its citizens for possible later use: Appalachian Ridge coronavirus (ARCoV). On the north-south axis, the capitalist axis, Brazilian coronaviruses are already related to American coronaviruses such as ARCoV.
Ringo
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Reminder
The United States just ended their 20 year war in Afghanistan, they lost to the Taliban, left humiliated and the Taliban didn't have NATO backing them.
The United States just ended their 20 year war in Afghanistan, they lost to the Taliban, left humiliated and the Taliban didn't have NATO backing them.
PeterPilot
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Not sure about China, but Russia would prefer peace and are protecting their borders from NATO attacks as we speak.I'm posting this in the "Military" forum to discuss the military aspect, versus any political aspect, of such an event on the United States. By "coordinated, joint attack" it is simply Russia and China's planned, coordinated, and commenced at the same time type of plan for both countries to launch some kind of military attack jointly on either U.S. forces, or key U.S.assets, at their weakest points.
It could be a symbolic provocation of some sort that would not lead to the loss of lives or property, such as suddenly surrounding and "locking U.S. forces out" of an important, or just symbolic asset of the U.S..
Perhaps most likely to occur would be the closing of some navigable body of water somewhere by their navy. And this is much less likely from Russia, as their navy has been long neglected, many of their ships don't even run on diesel fuel, some coal oil mixture unique to them. They barely sail.
Where would these events, geographically, be most likely to occur? And what assets stand most vulnerable right now?
Perhaps its not a good idea to get specific on any location, a general area is fine, especially if you have knowledge of any particularly specific or sensitive locations.
IMO Chinese money is partly behind the Woke Agenda that Biden brings upon us. Likely Chinese money was key in the stolen election of 2020.
Why bring military action when you own POTUS?
odanny
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As far as China is concerned, here is the 2021 assessment:
A major war in the Indo-Pacific is probably more likely now than at any time since the Second World War.
The most probable spark is a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. President Xi Jinping of China has said unifying Taiwan with mainland China “must be achieved.” His Communist Party regime has become sufficiently strong — militarily, economically and industrially — to take Taiwan and directly challenge the United States for regional supremacy.
The United States has vital strategic interests at stake. A successful Chinese invasion of Taiwan would punch a hole in the U.S. and allied chain of defenses in the region, seriously undermining America’s strategic position in the Western Pacific, and would probably cut off U.S. access to world-leading semiconductors and other critical components manufactured in Taiwan.
As president, Joe Biden has stated repeatedly that he would defend Taiwan.
But leaders in Washington also need to avoid stumbling carelessly into a war with China because it would be unlike anything ever faced by Americans. U.S. citizens have grown accustomed to sending their military off to fight far from home. But China is a different kind of foe — a military, economic and technological power capable of making a war felt in the American homeland.
As a career strategic analyst and defense planner, including for Australia’s Defense Department, I have spent decades studying how a war could start, how it would play out and the military and nonmilitary operations that China is prepared to conduct. I am convinced that the challenges facing the United States are serious, and its citizens need to become better aware of them.
The military scenario alone is daunting: China would probably launch a lightning air, sea and cyber assault to seize control of key strategic targets on Taiwan within hours, before the United States and its allies could intervene. Taiwan is slightly bigger than the state of Maryland; if you recall how quickly Afghanistan and Kabul fell to the Taliban in 2021, you start to realize that the takeover of Taiwan could happen relatively quickly. China also has more than 1,350 ballistic and cruise missiles poised to strike U.S. and allied forces in Japan, South Korea, the Philippines and American-held territories in the Western Pacific. Then there’s the sheer difficulty the United States would face waging war thousands of miles across the Pacific against an adversary that has the world’s largest navy and Asia’s biggest air force.
Despite this, U.S. military planners would prefer to fight a conventional war. But the Chinese are prepared to wage a much broader type of warfare that would reach deep into American society.
Over the past decade, China has increasingly viewed the United States as mired in political and social crises. Mr. Xi, who likes to say that “the East is rising while the West is declining,” evidently feels that America’s greatest weakness is on its home front. And I believe he is ready to exploit this with a multipronged campaign to divide Americans and undermine and exhaust their will to engage in a prolonged conflict — what China’s military calls “enemy disintegration.”
Over the past two decades, China has built a formidable cyberwarfare capability designed to penetrate, manipulate and disrupt the United States and allied governments, media organizations, businesses and civil society. If war were to break out, China can be expected to use this to disrupt communications and spread fake news and other disinformation. The aim would be to foster confusion, division and distrust and hinder decision-making. China might compound this with electronic and probably some physical attacks on satellites or related infrastructure.
These operations would most likely be accompanied by cyber offensives to disrupt electricity, gas, water, transport, health care and other public services. China has demonstrated its capabilitiesalready, including in Taiwan, where it has waged disinformation campaigns, and in serious hacking incidents in the United States. Mr. Xi himself has championed such subterfuge as a “magic weapon.”
China could also weaponize its dominance of supply chains and shipping. The impact on Americans would be profound.
The U.S. economy is heavily dependent on Chinese resources and manufactured goods, including many with military applications, and American consumers rely on moderately priced Chinese-made imports for everything from electronics to furniture to shoes. The bulk of these goods is transported aboard ships along sea lanes increasingly controlled by Chinese commercial interests that are ultimately answerable to China’s party-state. A war would halt this trade (as well as American and allied shipments to China).
U.S. supplies of many products could soon run low, paralyzing a vast range of businesses. It could take months to restore trade, and emergency rationing of some items would be needed. Inflation and unemployment would surge, especially in the period in which the economy is repurposed for the war effort, which might include some automobile manufacturers switching to building aircraft or food-processing companies converting to production of priority pharmaceuticals. Stock exchanges in the United States and other countries might temporarily halt trading because of the enormous economic uncertainties.
The United States might be forced to confront the shocking realization that the industrial muscle instrumental in victories like that in World War II — President Franklin Roosevelt’s concept of America as “the arsenal of democracy” — has withered and been surpassed by China.
China is now the dominant global industrial power by many measures. In 2004 U.S. manufacturing output was more than twice China’s; in 2021, China’s output was double that of the United States. China produces more ships, steel and smartphones than any other country and is a world leader in the production of chemicals, metals, heavy industrial equipment and electronics — the basic building blocks of a military-industrial economy.
Critically, the United States is no longer able to outproduce China in advanced weapons and other supplies needed in a war, which the current one in Ukraine has made clear. Provision of military hardware to Kyiv has depleted American stocks of some key military systems. Rebuilding them could take years. Yet the war in Ukraine is relatively small-scale compared with the likely demands of a major war in the Indo-Pacific.
So what needs to be done?
On the military front, the United States should accelerate programs already underway to strengthen and disperse American forces in the Western Pacific to make them less vulnerable to attacks by China. At home, a concerted effort must be made to find ways to better protect U.S. traditional and social media against Chinese disinformation. Supply chains of some critical goods and services need to be reconfigured to shift production to the United States or allied nations, and the United States must pursue a longer-term strategic drive to restore its dominance in global manufacturing.
Building a stronger deterrence by addressing such weaknesses is the best means of averting war. But this will take time. Until then, it is important for Washington to avoid provocations and maintain a civil discourse with Beijing.
The high-altitude balloon that drifted across the United States this month was seen by many Americans as a shocking Chinese breach of U.S. sovereignty. It may turn out to be child’s play compared with the havoc China could wreak on the American homeland in a war.
www.nytimes.com
What’s Inside Earth’s Inner Core? Seismic Waves Reveal an Innermost Core.
- The People’s Liberation Army Army (PLAA) has approximately 975,000 active- duty personnel in combat units. Despite the COVID-19 pandemic, border clashes with India, and other significant events in 2020, the PLAA accelerated its training and fielding of equipment from the already fast pace of recent years. The PLAA also strove to increase the realism of its training and the effectiveness of Opposition Force (OPFOR) units.
- ► The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) has numerically the largest navy in the world with an overall battle force of approximately 355 ships and submarines, including approximately more than 145 major surface combatants. As of 2020, the PLAN is largely composed of modern multi-role platforms. In the near-term, the PLAN will have the capability to conduct long-range precision strikes against land targets from its submarine and surface combatants using land-attack cruise missiles, notably enhancing the PRC’s global power projection capabilities. The PRC is enhancing its anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities and competencies to protect the PLAN’s aircraft carriers and ballistic missile submarines.
- ► The People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) and PLAN Aviation together constitute the largest aviation force in the region and the third largest in the world, with over 2,800 total aircraft (not including trainer variants or UAVs) of which approximately 2,250 are combat aircraft (including fighters, strategic bombers, tactical bombers, multi-mission tactical, and attack aircraft). In October 2019, the PRC signaled the return of the airborne leg of its nuclear triad after the PLAAF publicly revealed the H-6N as its first nuclear-capable air-to-air refuelable bomber.
- ► The People’s Liberation Army Rocket Force (PLARF) organizes, mans, trains, and equips the PRC’s strategic land-based nuclear and conventional missile forces as well as associated support forces and missile bases. In 2020, the PLARF advanced its long- term modernization plans to enhance its “strategic deterrence” capabilities.
A major war in the Indo-Pacific is probably more likely now than at any time since the Second World War.
The most probable spark is a Chinese invasion of Taiwan. President Xi Jinping of China has said unifying Taiwan with mainland China “must be achieved.” His Communist Party regime has become sufficiently strong — militarily, economically and industrially — to take Taiwan and directly challenge the United States for regional supremacy.
The United States has vital strategic interests at stake. A successful Chinese invasion of Taiwan would punch a hole in the U.S. and allied chain of defenses in the region, seriously undermining America’s strategic position in the Western Pacific, and would probably cut off U.S. access to world-leading semiconductors and other critical components manufactured in Taiwan.
As president, Joe Biden has stated repeatedly that he would defend Taiwan.
But leaders in Washington also need to avoid stumbling carelessly into a war with China because it would be unlike anything ever faced by Americans. U.S. citizens have grown accustomed to sending their military off to fight far from home. But China is a different kind of foe — a military, economic and technological power capable of making a war felt in the American homeland.
As a career strategic analyst and defense planner, including for Australia’s Defense Department, I have spent decades studying how a war could start, how it would play out and the military and nonmilitary operations that China is prepared to conduct. I am convinced that the challenges facing the United States are serious, and its citizens need to become better aware of them.
The military scenario alone is daunting: China would probably launch a lightning air, sea and cyber assault to seize control of key strategic targets on Taiwan within hours, before the United States and its allies could intervene. Taiwan is slightly bigger than the state of Maryland; if you recall how quickly Afghanistan and Kabul fell to the Taliban in 2021, you start to realize that the takeover of Taiwan could happen relatively quickly. China also has more than 1,350 ballistic and cruise missiles poised to strike U.S. and allied forces in Japan, South Korea, the Philippines and American-held territories in the Western Pacific. Then there’s the sheer difficulty the United States would face waging war thousands of miles across the Pacific against an adversary that has the world’s largest navy and Asia’s biggest air force.
Despite this, U.S. military planners would prefer to fight a conventional war. But the Chinese are prepared to wage a much broader type of warfare that would reach deep into American society.
Over the past decade, China has increasingly viewed the United States as mired in political and social crises. Mr. Xi, who likes to say that “the East is rising while the West is declining,” evidently feels that America’s greatest weakness is on its home front. And I believe he is ready to exploit this with a multipronged campaign to divide Americans and undermine and exhaust their will to engage in a prolonged conflict — what China’s military calls “enemy disintegration.”
Over the past two decades, China has built a formidable cyberwarfare capability designed to penetrate, manipulate and disrupt the United States and allied governments, media organizations, businesses and civil society. If war were to break out, China can be expected to use this to disrupt communications and spread fake news and other disinformation. The aim would be to foster confusion, division and distrust and hinder decision-making. China might compound this with electronic and probably some physical attacks on satellites or related infrastructure.
These operations would most likely be accompanied by cyber offensives to disrupt electricity, gas, water, transport, health care and other public services. China has demonstrated its capabilitiesalready, including in Taiwan, where it has waged disinformation campaigns, and in serious hacking incidents in the United States. Mr. Xi himself has championed such subterfuge as a “magic weapon.”
China could also weaponize its dominance of supply chains and shipping. The impact on Americans would be profound.
The U.S. economy is heavily dependent on Chinese resources and manufactured goods, including many with military applications, and American consumers rely on moderately priced Chinese-made imports for everything from electronics to furniture to shoes. The bulk of these goods is transported aboard ships along sea lanes increasingly controlled by Chinese commercial interests that are ultimately answerable to China’s party-state. A war would halt this trade (as well as American and allied shipments to China).
U.S. supplies of many products could soon run low, paralyzing a vast range of businesses. It could take months to restore trade, and emergency rationing of some items would be needed. Inflation and unemployment would surge, especially in the period in which the economy is repurposed for the war effort, which might include some automobile manufacturers switching to building aircraft or food-processing companies converting to production of priority pharmaceuticals. Stock exchanges in the United States and other countries might temporarily halt trading because of the enormous economic uncertainties.
The United States might be forced to confront the shocking realization that the industrial muscle instrumental in victories like that in World War II — President Franklin Roosevelt’s concept of America as “the arsenal of democracy” — has withered and been surpassed by China.
China is now the dominant global industrial power by many measures. In 2004 U.S. manufacturing output was more than twice China’s; in 2021, China’s output was double that of the United States. China produces more ships, steel and smartphones than any other country and is a world leader in the production of chemicals, metals, heavy industrial equipment and electronics — the basic building blocks of a military-industrial economy.
Critically, the United States is no longer able to outproduce China in advanced weapons and other supplies needed in a war, which the current one in Ukraine has made clear. Provision of military hardware to Kyiv has depleted American stocks of some key military systems. Rebuilding them could take years. Yet the war in Ukraine is relatively small-scale compared with the likely demands of a major war in the Indo-Pacific.
So what needs to be done?
On the military front, the United States should accelerate programs already underway to strengthen and disperse American forces in the Western Pacific to make them less vulnerable to attacks by China. At home, a concerted effort must be made to find ways to better protect U.S. traditional and social media against Chinese disinformation. Supply chains of some critical goods and services need to be reconfigured to shift production to the United States or allied nations, and the United States must pursue a longer-term strategic drive to restore its dominance in global manufacturing.
Building a stronger deterrence by addressing such weaknesses is the best means of averting war. But this will take time. Until then, it is important for Washington to avoid provocations and maintain a civil discourse with Beijing.
The high-altitude balloon that drifted across the United States this month was seen by many Americans as a shocking Chinese breach of U.S. sovereignty. It may turn out to be child’s play compared with the havoc China could wreak on the American homeland in a war.
Opinion | A War With China Would Be Unlike Anything Americans Faced Before (Published 2023)
A Chinese invasion of Taiwan may include a multipronged war strategy that causes havoc in American society.
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Silver Cat
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Say nothing about Russian weaponised version of Kemerovo Fever virus, literally unstoppable with its crafted set of ribozymes.Military viruses should not be overlooked. Knowledge about American coronaviruses has been deliberately kept from its citizens for possible later use: Appalachian Ridge coronavirus (ARCoV). On the north-south axis, the capitalist axis, Brazilian coronaviruses are already related to American coronaviruses such as ARCoV.
Ringo
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Nikki Haley wants the US Air Force to provide close air support to drug cartels fighting the Mexican government? Bold plan
PeterPilot
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Nikki doesn't understand that ISIS works for the US. She is just that dumb.
Ringo
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There’s not a place on the map that this vile lunatic wouldn’t nuke
PeterPilot
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I can't believe the people of South Carolina keep electing that moron to office.
so the government has to hand back money and property forfeited?
It does not have to give it back, but it also can't spend it.
Even money seized from Japan prior to WWII was released after the war to aid them in rebuilding the nation. Hence, the use of "frozen" and not "forfeited".
Ringo
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US had decades of control to do the right thing and try to create a better world for everyone.
They chose instead to take advantage of their power to use invasions, coups, lies, theft and assassinations to maintain their dominance The non-Western world is done with US.
People in US living in this fantasy land they've had drilled into brains since childhood, that they have some right to tell other countries how they have to live and that US leaders give a shit about democracy, won't change the multipolar world that's coming/
They chose instead to take advantage of their power to use invasions, coups, lies, theft and assassinations to maintain their dominance The non-Western world is done with US.
People in US living in this fantasy land they've had drilled into brains since childhood, that they have some right to tell other countries how they have to live and that US leaders give a shit about democracy, won't change the multipolar world that's coming/
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