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yet you want more of the same to fix the problem you don't like-What I am not fine with is government forcing everyone into a system that purports to deal with health issues that are supposedly so serious that there is national emergency requiring government intervention using the Supreme Court.
People in their 50's are doing worse and they never smoked or drank. The environmental factors from radon, fluoride, heavy metals, along with chemicals grown in food, polluted water, outdoors people verses indoor people, factory work, office work, building types, machine or truck operator, etc. and you have the viruses, bacteria, and fungi exposure that all have more to do with long term health. Someone who drank diet pop and junk food for fifty years is worse off than someone who smoked and ate wholesome homemade meals IMO. Good fats verses bad fats. I eat real butter too. Simply put too many variables to just pin bad health on one habit (even if it is a bit of a nasty one). My brother had a heart attack in his thirties. His deal was McD's every day three times a day and some drugs along the way. Grandparents all lived to ripe old ages except for one grand who got hit by a car going 63 miles an hour that didn't see him (was was in his late 70's). Other grandfather lived to 99 and he smoked and drank but ate real food and had a garden all those years.I'm 72 soon to be 73- I've been smoking since I was 15- I've been eating what I want my entire life and I'm a Texan which means fried everything- yet, when I've had artery problems the "experts" tell me I need to quit smoking- I'M 73 FUCKING YEARS OLD- seems to me, the experts need to be figuring out HOW I've done so well vs telling me what they "feel" is better for me-The argument can be made that they take themselves out early and quickly and therefore avoid years or decades of expensive geriatric life support. Besides, the really expensive health conditions are the result of the crappy food we eat and a lack of exercise. Solve that one Einstein.
I am not the one trying to make everyone dependent on government with health insurance. If the government cares so much about health why does it subsidize the poisoning of the people without offsetting the costs?Tax cars too while you're at it bozo- why did you miss that?600,000 dead every year. Did you miss that?
I am not the one trying to make everyone dependent on government with health insurance. If the government cares so much about health why does it subsidize the poisoning of the people without offsetting the costs?
My younger brother died last year. He quit smoking 10 years ago but he was a truck driver and he ate truck driver food and didn't exercise. On the other hand I still smoke but I have an unbelievably active lifestyle and eat good home cooking. What I think actually killed him though was the daily dose of rage he got from listening to talk radio all the time. He was one of the angriest, stressed out people I've ever known. That shit will kill you faster than anything.People in their 50's are doing worse and they never smoked or drank. The environmental factors from radon, fluoride, heavy metals, along with chemicals grown in food, polluted water, outdoors people verses indoor people, factory work, office work, building types, machine or truck operator, etc. and you have the viruses, bacteria, and fungi exposure that all have more to do with long term health. Someone who drank diet pop and junk food for fifty years is worse off than someone who smoked and ate wholesome homemade meals IMO. Good fats verses bad fats. I eat real butter too. Simply put too many variables to just pin bad health on one habit (even if it is a bit of a nasty one). My brother had a heart attack in his thirties. His deal was McD's every day three times a day and some drugs along the way. Grandparents all lived to ripe old ages except for one grand who got hit by a car going 63 miles an hour that didn't see him (was was in his late 70's). Other grandfather lived to 99 and he smoked and drank but ate real food and had a garden all those years.I'm 72 soon to be 73- I've been smoking since I was 15- I've been eating what I want my entire life and I'm a Texan which means fried everything- yet, when I've had artery problems the "experts" tell me I need to quit smoking- I'M 73 FUCKING YEARS OLD- seems to me, the experts need to be figuring out HOW I've done so well vs telling me what they "feel" is better for me-The argument can be made that they take themselves out early and quickly and therefore avoid years or decades of expensive geriatric life support. Besides, the really expensive health conditions are the result of the crappy food we eat and a lack of exercise. Solve that one Einstein.
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So called experts were telling us all sorts of things. My children even bought into a lot of that. Son one day told me, "Mom you shouldn't feed Boo people food as its not as good for dogs as dog food is. I told him, "Boo is 14 years old and he's ate whatever I eat for his whole life. Did you know that Chows only have a life expectancy of 7 to 10 years old?" Boo went on to live to be 17.I've had my hands in, therefore breathed, a list of who's who chemicals from trichlorethylene to asbestos to leaded gasoline to diesel fuel to freon- and I smoke! I quit drinking when my oldest son was 5- I eat what I want when I want- I did go for many years on 2% milk then 3 or so years ago decided; Why? At my age why would I deny myself what I enjoy for crying out loud- oh, I eat frozen pancakes (after microwaving them for 1min 18sec) every day I'm home, which is most days (for about 2 years now)- I use Land o Lakes sea salt and olive oil butter and drink half a glass of whole milk-
But, the experts tell me what I need to do- puhlease- stop it!
Don't read it- simple fix- concrete tooThis thread is really depressing ...
I have to ask why- you find it depressing that you've been lied to and believed it? You know who can "fix" that?This thread is really depressing ...
americansfortaxfairness.org
I want to address the website and its "fairness"- to begin, I'll just say, theft is theft- there is nothing "fair" about it-The best solution to this whole health tax problem is people learning to live/eat healthier and quit depending on pharmakeia when at all possible.
The Pharma Big 10 Analysis: Price Gougers, Tax Dodgers
America’s prescription drug industry has for years been clobbering working families with a one-two punch to their health and economic well-being.
I'm trying, but you keep quoting me ... [giggle] ...Don't read it- simple fix- concrete tooThis thread is really depressing ...
I suggest you mind your own business,, if people want to do those things thats their choice,,,600,000 people die every year in the US from the combined effects of just two products, tobacco, and alcohol. If we apply concrete reasoning to a complex problem could we not save millions of lives by following the lead of the highest court in the land? We know that the Supreme has ruled that a product, health insurance, can be forced on the people and called a tax, not a penalty. It is for the good of the people in the minds of some, so a kind of doublespeak has been enforced to manipulate public opinion.
Fine, but what about the human carnage imposed on the people by two products that are widely affordable and universally available? There is no debate about the death toll involved with the use of these products either separately or in combination. Incredibly, during a global pandemic, liquor stores and tobacco-peddling outlets have been declared essential businesses. Why are 600,000 deaths annually acceptable while the population is forced to wear masks and socially distance to the extent that businesses that sell food like restaurants are being wiped out to save the people’s health?
We know from experience that prohibition will not work but we also know from the Supreme Court that measures can be taken and imposed to address national health issues like uninsured people by forcing them to purchase insurance. In light of that could we not impose a health surcharge on tobacco and alcohol? We could start with a $5.00 health surcharge on a single pack of cigarettes and a $3.00 health surcharge on a six pack of beer.
The mountains of money raised from this concrete solution could go into a superfund to finance the health costs of the users of these products. They would essentially be paying at the pump to get the healthcare they cannot afford now. As it stands at the moment people who do not use these products are being forced to participate in schemes to pay for the profits of two industries and their addicted customers while humans still die in droves driving up the cost of healthcare for everyone.
Why is this not done? Well, both these toxic industries are well represented in Washington lobbies. So, in effect, the government that wants to give everyone health insurance is killing the people by subsidizing the poison manufacturers.
This could work to save the health of the nation.
It is better to use capitalism to pay for its issues than it is to impose socialism which can snowball into everything that has destroyed civilizations throughout history.
600,000 people die every year in the US from the combined effects of just two products, tobacco, and alcohol. If we apply concrete reasoning to a complex problem could we not save millions of lives by following the lead of the highest court in the land? We know that the Supreme has ruled that a product, health insurance, can be forced on the people and called a tax, not a penalty. It is for the good of the people in the minds of some, so a kind of doublespeak has been enforced to manipulate public opinion.
Fine, but what about the human carnage imposed on the people by two products that are widely affordable and universally available? There is no debate about the death toll involved with the use of these products either separately or in combination. Incredibly, during a global pandemic, liquor stores and tobacco-peddling outlets have been declared essential businesses. Why are 600,000 deaths annually acceptable while the population is forced to wear masks and socially distance to the extent that businesses that sell food like restaurants are being wiped out to save the people’s health?
We know from experience that prohibition will not work but we also know from the Supreme Court that measures can be taken and imposed to address national health issues like uninsured people by forcing them to purchase insurance. In light of that could we not impose a health surcharge on tobacco and alcohol? We could start with a $5.00 health surcharge on a single pack of cigarettes and a $3.00 health surcharge on a six pack of beer.
The mountains of money raised from this concrete solution could go into a superfund to finance the health costs of the users of these products. They would essentially be paying at the pump to get the healthcare they cannot afford now. As it stands at the moment people who do not use these products are being forced to participate in schemes to pay for the profits of two industries and their addicted customers while humans still die in droves driving up the cost of healthcare for everyone.
Why is this not done? Well, both these toxic industries are well represented in Washington lobbies. So, in effect, the government that wants to give everyone health insurance is killing the people by subsidizing the poison manufacturers.
This could work to save the health of the nation.
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Of course we could just institute a tax based on body fat.
The more body fat the more tax and make it progressive.
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