A challenge for the "Tax the rich more" crowd.

[Concerned American]

If the 90% have that kind of power, they could have already voted that only the ten percent pay taxes. As far as increasing the amount that 10% pays, that is a size of government question, not a how to distribute the tax burden question.

So, how about this, we'll implement your plan but the benefits/hand out programs will end when the recipient hits the amount of taxes they paid. Fair?

 

[LoveKimWexler]

So, how about this, we'll implement your plan but the benefits/hand out programs will end when the recipient hits the amount of taxes they paid. Fair?

You mean like when the costs of roads that the owner of a trucking company uses for his business exceeds the amount of dollars that the owner paid in taxes last year, he has to stop using the roads for his trucks?

Or is it when the costs of all government services exceeds the amount that any one taxpayer paid, he no longer gets any government services?

 

[struth]

You mean like when the costs of roads that the owner of a trucking company uses for his business exceeds the amount of dollars that the owner paid in taxes last year, he has to stop using the roads for his trucks?

Or is it when the costs of all government services exceeds the amount that any one taxpayer paid, he no longer gets any government services?

Oh is only the trucking company using the road?

 

[Bad Bob]

You want libs to do math? Wow

LOL It's like asking a retard or an autistic to be rational, amirite?

 

[LoveKimWexler]

Oh is only the trucking company using the road?

No, that's my point! Thank you.

Some people pay more taxes than others, and some people use government services more than others. But we all pay some taxes and we all use some government services.

Hard to quantify how much any given person uses government services, as we all go through our day under the protection of the military, the police, fire departments and other emergency services, eat food delivered on government roads and on and on. So there is no way to cut them off as Concerned American suggested.

But it is easy to see who benefits the most from a government maintaining law and order and protecting property rights, when comparing a millionaire and a waitress.

 

[Concerned American]

You mean like when the costs of roads that the owner of a trucking company uses for his business exceeds the amount of dollars that the owner paid in taxes last year, he has to stop using the roads for his trucks?

Inept attempt to move goal posts, but let's go with that--You can add the heavy vehicle tax those trucks pay to the tax burden that single mom you're so fond of pays. How about that, hmmm?

Or is it when the costs of all government services exceeds the amount that any one taxpayer paid, he no longer gets any government services?

Now you seem to be getting it. But I have my doubts.

 

[Concerned American]

So there is no way to cut them off as @Concerned American suggested.

Certainly there is. That single mom you like to use as an example pays---say 10% of her $30K income or $3K to the gov't ---when she has collected her $3K in EBT/SNAP, free education for her kids, police, fire, medicaid, etc. all benefits stop. What is she going to do for the other 51 weeks of the year?

 

[DonGlock26]

The Dems always want to raise income taxes knowing full well that the wealthy elites make their money from investments.
Their ignorant "free shit" base lap it up like cream though.

 

[Bad Bob]

The Dems always want to raise income taxes knowing full well that the wealthy elites make their money from investments.
Their ignorant "free shit" base lap it up like cream though.

When billionaires pay less in taxes than their secretaries, something seems wrong with that picture.

 

[DonGlock26]

When billionaires pay less in taxes than their secretaries, something seems wrong with that picture.

In 2003, a year before running for president, Kerry's tax rate was 13.1 percent

John Kerry Actually Had a Lower Tax Rate Than Romney

In a bit of Democratic comeuppance for dinging Mitt Romney for how little he pays in taxes, Wonkblog published this chart of presidential candidates' tax rates. And wouldn't you know, John Kerry had a (slightly) lower tax rate than Romney does.

www.theatlantic.com

This was 23 years ago.
What did the Democrats do about it? Nothing.

 

[Bad Bob]

This was 23 years ago.
What did the Democrats do about it? Nothing.

WTF does that have to do with the inequity, Don? Other than the fact both parties serve the rich and not middle-class Americans, of course.

Maybe that helps people understand why I refuse to vote for either party.

 

[Nostra]

Did I say that it would? The 10% was your number. Pick the percent that would hit only millionaires and billionaires, if that is your premise.

You seriously think that paying 20% of income means the same to a single parent (say a widow of a sailor who died fighting Iran) waitress who makes $30K per year as it does to a CEO making $3M per year?

To take your "skin" analogy, 20% for a waitress making 30K would mean six thousand dollars, leaving her with $24K. That's skin, muscle and bone for a woman trying to feed and educate children by herself. 20% for a millionaire making 3M is six hundred thousand dollars, leaving him with $2.4 Million. He'll get by much easier on that, even if he has three or for ex wives, each younger than the previous.

If the 90% have that kind of power, they could have already voted that only the ten percent pay taxes. As far as increasing the amount that 10% pays, that is a size of government question, not a how to distribute the tax burden question. As I said, no Republicans have the political will and the political clout to reduce the growth in government, much less the size of existing government.

Another Islamocrat wealth envy idiot who is against treating everyone the same.

 

[Nostra]

You mean like when the costs of roads that the owner of a trucking company uses for his business exceeds the amount of dollars that the owner paid in taxes last year, he has to stop using the roads for his trucks?

Or is it when the costs of all government services exceeds the amount that any one taxpayer paid, he no longer gets any government services?

Ever heard of fuel taxes? There are also fees on commercial trucks the state gets.

Next?

 

[Nostra]

When billionaires pay less in taxes than their secretaries, something seems wrong with that picture.

Examples?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When billionaires pay less in taxes than their secretaries, something seems wrong with that picture.

They don't.

 

[Bad Bob]

They don't.

Mitt Romney made a point about it as did Donnie in my quote.

 

[Nostra]

You mean like when the costs of roads that the owner of a trucking company uses for his business exceeds the amount of dollars that the owner paid in taxes last year, he has to stop using the roads for his trucks?

Or is it when the costs of all government services exceeds the amount that any one taxpayer paid, he no longer gets any government services?

We need to slap EVs with a mileage tax, which is essentially what a gas tax is.

They drive the same roads, and their cars are heavier, so they should pay for using the roads just like everyone else.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Mitt Romney made a point about it as did Donnie in my quote.

Whoever made that "point" was wrong.

 

[Dante]

They never say what is "rich", and how much of the total tax bill the evil "rich" need to pay

It's always in proposed bills

next

 

[Concerned American]

We need to slap EVs with a mileage tax, which is essentially what a gas tax is.

They drive the same roads, and their cars are heavier, so they should pay for using the roads just like everyone else.

BINGO. In addition to taxing the EVs, maybe it is time to do away with all gas taxes and tax vehicles at registration each year. Said tax being based on weight and miles driven.