A Call to Arms for Europe: Americans are not alone in viewing Trump as a Traitor

[Couchpotato]

“Both sides were in agreement”…. “because I say so”.

There was nothing more than an “agreement in principle”. That’s not a formal agreement. We’re seeing the same situation now where Putin has “agreed in principle” to a ceasefire but is already waffling with conditions and exceptions.

The eastward expansion of NATO was a direct threat to Russia.

Did NATO ‘betray’ Russia by expanding to the East?

The Kremlin claims the West broke a promise it made in the 1990s not to expand NATO, and is now using this claim to justify threats to invade Ukraine.

www.france24.com

How did the US respond when Nikita Khrushchev put missiles in Cuba?

No because both sides have said so..... Has nothing to do with me. There was an agreement to end the war then Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and suddenly Ukraine isnt interested in ending the war and getting all it's territory back.... Odd

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Because it's a stupid war we pushed both sides into that serves no national interest for the US.

Ah, so the "national interests" of the US is the goal, you're not concerned about the morality, got it.

Sorry but I don't think spending hundreds of billions of dollars on stupid wars is a good use of US taxpayer dollars.

What about the money we spent on other stupid wars? can you define "stupid" war for me?

Especially given our current financial state. If Ukraine and Europe want to escalate this into a regional war that's on them we shouldn't fund it.

I agree, so why is trump dithering? why is he playing games and not simply saying "We're done, no more military aid" and walk away? His procrastinations and babbling about "minerals" and "rare earths" and back and forth stop/start of aid and intelligence does not sound like he want's to disengage to me.

Why are you so eager to support it?

I absolutely do not and never have supported it or supported NATO expansion, I said that earlier in this post too.

I've been vocally opposed to the US support for Ukraine for many years, long before the Russian invasion.

 

[Couchpotato]

Ah, so the "national interests" of the US is the goal, you're not concerned about the morality, got it.

Where exactly is the "morality" in funding the deaths of all these people?

What about the money we spent on other stupid wars? can you define "stupid" war for me?

Because we've spent money on other stupid things doesn't justify spending more on this stupid thing.

I agree, so why is trump dithering? why is he playing games and not simply saying "We're done, no more military aid" and walk away? His procrastinations and babbling about "minerals" and "rare earths" and back and forth stop/start of aid and intelligence does not sound like he want's to disengage to me.

Again you are focused on the wrong thing IMO because you NEED to score the point. Trump is dumb. Got it. Can we move on?

I absolutely do not and never have supported it or supported NATO expansion, I said that earlier in this post too.

So why exactly are you in support of this war? The entire fight is centered around the expansion of NATO.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Some Americans, myself included have long viewed Trump as a Traitor to American values, and more. We are not alone.

A Call to Arms for Europe

This viral speech brutally captures how U.S. allies see Trump’s America​

During Trump’s first term, the U.S. hemorrhaged prestige. His second term might be worse.​

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That view of Donald Trump’s America was brutally encapsulated last week by a centrist French senator named Claude Malhuret, who noted that until now, “never in history has a U.S. president capitulated to the enemy.” In a speech at the French Senate assessing Trump’s alignment with the Kremlin, turn against Ukraine and the implications for Europe, he said: “We were at war with a dictator. Now we are fighting a dictator backed by a traitor.”​

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Wow! This is unprecedented.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns​

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’​

By Claude Malhuret​

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Europe is at a crucial juncture of its history. The American shield is slipping away, Ukraine risks being abandoned, and Russia is being strengthened. Washington has become the court of Nero: an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers, and a buffoon on ketamine tasked with purging the civil service.​

​

This is a tragedy for the free world, but it’s first and foremost a tragedy for the United States. [President Donald] Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you, he will impose more tariffs on you than on his enemies, and he will threaten to seize your territories, while supporting the dictators who invade you.​

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The king of the deal is showing that the art of the deal is lying prostrate. He thinks he will intimidate China by capitulating to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but China’s President Xi Jinping, faced with such wreckage, is undoubtedly accelerating his plans to invade Taiwan.​

This is a warning shot across the bow of the American Polity. Any damage done will be very difficult to repair. It could take a decade r more after Trump leaves office to correct what many of us see as an American retreat.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’

www.theatlantic.com

note:
noun: polity; plural noun: polities

1. a form or process of civil government or constitution.
   "the civic humanist's polity"
   
   • an organized society; a state as a political entity.
     "the period in which West Germany was a distinct polity"

Europe getting pissy because the Uncle Sugar spigot is getting cut. The EU letting Germany build up it's military is an indicator to how historically retarded Europeans are.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Where exactly is the "morality" in funding the deaths of all these people?

Because we've spent money on other stupid things doesn't justify spending more on this stupid thing.

Again you are focused on the wrong thing IMO because you NEED to score the point. Trump is dumb. Got it. Can we move on?

So why exactly are you in support of this war? The entire fight is centered around the expansion of NATO.

What did I say that you have interpreted as "support of this war"? In which post did I express such support?

 

[Hollie]

No because both sides have said so..... Has nothing to do with me. There was an agreement to end the war then Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and suddenly Ukraine isnt interested in ending the war and getting all it's territory back.... Odd

So yes, there was an “agreement in principle” only until the “principles” were never agreed to.

No because both sides have said so..... Has nothing to do with me. There was an agreement to end the war then Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and suddenly Ukraine isnt interested in ending the war and getting all it's territory back.... Odd

No, obviously both sides didn’t “said so”. An agreement in principle was no agreement as they were no terms and conditions of any agreement put forth as a formal document or statement of intent.

 

[Dante]

Some Americans, myself included have long viewed Trump as a Traitor to American values, and more. We are not alone.

A Call to Arms for Europe

This viral speech brutally captures how U.S. allies see Trump’s America​

During Trump’s first term, the U.S. hemorrhaged prestige. His second term might be worse.​

​

That view of Donald Trump’s America was brutally encapsulated last week by a centrist French senator named Claude Malhuret, who noted that until now, “never in history has a U.S. president capitulated to the enemy.” In a speech at the French Senate assessing Trump’s alignment with the Kremlin, turn against Ukraine and the implications for Europe, he said: “We were at war with a dictator. Now we are fighting a dictator backed by a traitor.”​

​

Wow! This is unprecedented.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns​

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’​

By Claude Malhuret​

​

Europe is at a crucial juncture of its history. The American shield is slipping away, Ukraine risks being abandoned, and Russia is being strengthened. Washington has become the court of Nero: an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers, and a buffoon on ketamine tasked with purging the civil service.​

​

This is a tragedy for the free world, but it’s first and foremost a tragedy for the United States. [President Donald] Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you, he will impose more tariffs on you than on his enemies, and he will threaten to seize your territories, while supporting the dictators who invade you.​

​

The king of the deal is showing that the art of the deal is lying prostrate. He thinks he will intimidate China by capitulating to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but China’s President Xi Jinping, faced with such wreckage, is undoubtedly accelerating his plans to invade Taiwan.​

This is a warning shot across the bow of the American Polity. Any damage done will be very difficult to repair. It could take a decade r more after Trump leaves office to correct what many of us see as an American retreat.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’

www.theatlantic.com

note:
noun: polity; plural noun: polities

1. a form or process of civil government or constitution.
   "the civic humanist's polity"
   
   • an organized society; a state as a political entity.
     "the period in which West Germany was a distinct polity"

Uhm...

 

[blackhawk]

I suspect vast majority of Americans don’t care what those in Europe or TDS crowd here thinks. Interesting that they in Europe still want American aid when they start sticking their hand in their own citizens wallets to pay for what the American taxpayer does in aid to them get back to me. As far as those here go feel free to follow Rosie O Donells example and take the first flight to the European nirvana of your choice.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I genuinely don't care what other nations think of our leaders. I didn't when Obama was president. I didn't when Biden was president. I don't now that Trump is president. And if we're being honest, I really doubt those other nations care what I think about them either.

But then if other people think there's a problem with your leader, maybe it's because there's a problem with your leader. Especially if it's people from allied countries.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Some Americans, myself included have long viewed Trump as a Traitor to American values, and more. We are not alone.




Facts matter.

What kind of American values are you talking about there sparky ...lol

Left wingers have no values

 

[eagle1462010]

Some Americans, myself included have long viewed Trump as a Traitor to American values, and more. We are not alone.

A Call to Arms for Europe

This viral speech brutally captures how U.S. allies see Trump’s America​

During Trump’s first term, the U.S. hemorrhaged prestige. His second term might be worse.​

​

That view of Donald Trump’s America was brutally encapsulated last week by a centrist French senator named Claude Malhuret, who noted that until now, “never in history has a U.S. president capitulated to the enemy.” In a speech at the French Senate assessing Trump’s alignment with the Kremlin, turn against Ukraine and the implications for Europe, he said: “We were at war with a dictator. Now we are fighting a dictator backed by a traitor.”​

​

Wow! This is unprecedented.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns​

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’​

By Claude Malhuret​

​

Europe is at a crucial juncture of its history. The American shield is slipping away, Ukraine risks being abandoned, and Russia is being strengthened. Washington has become the court of Nero: an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers, and a buffoon on ketamine tasked with purging the civil service.​

​

This is a tragedy for the free world, but it’s first and foremost a tragedy for the United States. [President Donald] Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you, he will impose more tariffs on you than on his enemies, and he will threaten to seize your territories, while supporting the dictators who invade you.​

​

The king of the deal is showing that the art of the deal is lying prostrate. He thinks he will intimidate China by capitulating to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but China’s President Xi Jinping, faced with such wreckage, is undoubtedly accelerating his plans to invade Taiwan.​

This is a warning shot across the bow of the American Polity. Any damage done will be very difficult to repair. It could take a decade r more after Trump leaves office to correct what many of us see as an American retreat.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’

www.theatlantic.com

note:
noun: polity; plural noun: polities

1. a form or process of civil government or constitution.
   "the civic humanist's polity"
   
   • an organized society; a state as a political entity.
     "the period in which West Germany was a distinct polity"

Well good for you and them.

Do you know what sets Ameruca apart from the world?

Its this mentality.

We simoly dont GAF

 

[eagle1462010]

What did I say that you have interpreted as "support of this war"? In which post did I express such support?

Ahhh. You bitch if we dont support it and bitch if we do.

LMAO

 

[Bootstraps]

But then if other people think there's a problem with your leader, maybe it's because there's a problem with your leader. Especially if it's people from allied countries.

England is allowing children to be raped and arresting their own citizens for bringing it up. Their farmers are protesting because they're being unreasonably taxed. And Keir Starmer wants to arrest people from other nations for using free speech.

Ukraine is forcing men to fight against their will and refusing to have elections.

Russia is Russia.

North Korea is North Korea.

Romania denied the will of the people when it came to election results and barred opposing candidate from running and arrested him.

And Canada freaks out over a bunch of people honking their horns and tries to steal their gas and freeze their bank accounts.

So no, I don't care what any of them think of us.

 

[22lcidw]

More and more we are in need of a massive war to reduce the population. And with it a high percentage of the radicals who cost too much. If we survive it this time it will give us about 20 years of sense. Like the 20 years we got from the end of WW 2.

 

[frigidweirdo]

England is allowing children to be raped and arresting their own citizens for bringing it up. Their farmers are protesting because they're being unreasonably taxed. And Keir Starmer wants to arrest people from other nations for using free speech.

Ukraine is forcing men to fight against their will and refusing to have elections.

Russia is Russia.

North Korea is North Korea.

Romania denied the will of the people when it came to election results and barred opposing candidate from running and arrested him.

And Canada freaks out over a bunch of people honking their horns and tries to steal their gas and freeze their bank accounts.

So no, I don't care what any of them think of us.

And obviously you're getting your news from some right wing organization that chooses to manipulate you.

England isn't allowing kids to be raped. It's illegal to rape anyone.

Farmers are protesting because they're being "unfairly taxed", in that they will pay LESS tax than everyone else even after being taxed more than before. And they're being taxed more than before because the right wing government of the last 14 years STOLE most of the money, all while destroy the NHS, police, education, councils etc etc etc.

Starmer knows what things are protected by freedom of speech and what things aren't. That's the problem, you're going to go with Vance and think that freedom of speech protects just about anything, but smarter people disagree.

The Ukraine is doing what the US has done, conscription. It's nothing new, especially when your country is being attacked. The US did it when only one small part of the US was attacked....

Romanian elections are coming up in May. 2025 Romanian presidential election - Wikipedia

Sure, you're only willing to listen to what you find convenient, rather than the truth, so... you.... only listen to people who bullshit you day in and day out. Well done.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Some Americans, myself included have long viewed Trump as a Traitor to American values, and more. We are not alone.

A Call to Arms for Europe

This viral speech brutally captures how U.S. allies see Trump’s America​

During Trump’s first term, the U.S. hemorrhaged prestige. His second term might be worse.​

​

That view of Donald Trump’s America was brutally encapsulated last week by a centrist French senator named Claude Malhuret, who noted that until now, “never in history has a U.S. president capitulated to the enemy.” In a speech at the French Senate assessing Trump’s alignment with the Kremlin, turn against Ukraine and the implications for Europe, he said: “We were at war with a dictator. Now we are fighting a dictator backed by a traitor.”​

​

Wow! This is unprecedented.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns​

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’​

By Claude Malhuret​

​

Europe is at a crucial juncture of its history. The American shield is slipping away, Ukraine risks being abandoned, and Russia is being strengthened. Washington has become the court of Nero: an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers, and a buffoon on ketamine tasked with purging the civil service.​

​

This is a tragedy for the free world, but it’s first and foremost a tragedy for the United States. [President Donald] Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you, he will impose more tariffs on you than on his enemies, and he will threaten to seize your territories, while supporting the dictators who invade you.​

​

The king of the deal is showing that the art of the deal is lying prostrate. He thinks he will intimidate China by capitulating to Russian President Vladimir Putin, but China’s President Xi Jinping, faced with such wreckage, is undoubtedly accelerating his plans to invade Taiwan.​

This is a warning shot across the bow of the American Polity. Any damage done will be very difficult to repair. It could take a decade r more after Trump leaves office to correct what many of us see as an American retreat.

Trump Is Nero While Washington Burns

‘Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you.’

www.theatlantic.com

note:
noun: polity; plural noun: polities

1. a form or process of civil government or constitution.
   "the civic humanist's polity"
   
   • an organized society; a state as a political entity.
     "the period in which West Germany was a distinct polity"

Wahhhh Wahhhh wahhhhhhhhhh

The Orange Man wants us to defend ourselves

Wahhhhhhhhhh

 

[Bootstraps]

And obviously you're getting your news from some right wing organization that chooses to manipulate you.

England isn't allowing kids to be raped. It's illegal to rape anyone.

Farmers are protesting because they're being "unfairly taxed", in that they will pay LESS tax than everyone else even after being taxed more than before. And they're being taxed more than before because the right wing government of the last 14 years STOLE most of the money, all while destroy the NHS, police, education, councils etc etc etc.

Starmer knows what things are protected by freedom of speech and what things aren't. That's the problem, you're going to go with Vance and think that freedom of speech protects just about anything, but smarter people disagree.

The Ukraine is doing what the US has done, conscription. It's nothing new, especially when your country is being attacked. The US did it when only one small part of the US was attacked....

Romanian elections are coming up in May. 2025 Romanian presidential election - Wikipedia

Sure, you're only willing to listen to what you find convenient, rather than the truth, so... you.... only listen to people who bullshit you day in and day out. Well done.

I don't listen to right wing media so good luck with that argument. And yes, England has been allowing children to be raped and groomed by immigrants. Parents have been arrested for going to the police for this.

How much money do farmers make and have? Yes, they have a right to protest because a 20% tax increase is no small thing.

Starmer has no no authority to call for the arrests of citizens of other nations for criticizing him or England's policies. This isn't about Vance, this is about a man thinking he has power over the free citizens of other countries for their words.

And the US forcing people to fight is wrong as well. Always has been. Ukraine however has been shown to drag men off the street and throw them in the back of a vehicle against their will. No one should be forced to fight a war that they don't want.

Yes, more Romanian elections are happening, but only after they overturned the results from the will of the people and punished their opposing candidate. What they did was wrong.

Since you seem to know who I'm listening to, please tell me who those people are. I would love to hear your input. Especially given how you excuse and allow these things from other nations while choosing to listen to the people or media that you do.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Ahhh. You bitch if we dont support it and bitch if we do.

LMAO

Let me know when the ketamine wears off and we'll see if you can discuss a subject like an adult.

 

[westwall]

Let me know when the ketamine wears off and we'll see if you can discuss a subject like an adult.

Be a first for you.

 

[Mac-7]

You don't care. And when you do it will just be another disappointment for you.

People like you are never ever onboard with anything but the negative.

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