9/11 Firefighters Trash Official 9/11 Story, Say Obvious Demolition, Documentary "Calling Out Bravo 7"

[the watcher]

Sad to see this insulting conspiracy lasting so long. If there is any criticism it should be directed at the Clinton negligence and subsequent coverup. We all saw the planes hit the Towers.

The problem with questioning the narrative is that if you wonder how those bit players could have pulled this off you are knee jerk responded to by someone like you saying that deniers say nothing happened. Certainly something happened, but how it happened according to the official story has a lot of holes in it that need to be filled.

 

[surada]

What country would love to recruit the U.S. military in a war against Islam (which is what resulted from 9/11) ? Oh, yeah.....ISRAEL.

Osama bin Laden hated the Saudis because they revoked his citizenship in 1994. He wanted the US to declare war on Saudi Arabia.

 

[munkle]

Osama bin Laden hated the Saudis because they revoked his citizenship in 1994. He wanted the US to declare war on Saudi Arabia.

Bin Laden denied involvement in 9/11 many times.

"I have already said that I am not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. "

"Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. "

Usama Interview - Ummat Pakistan

 

[munkle]

Osama bin Laden hated the Saudis because they revoked his citizenship in 1994. He wanted the US to declare war on Saudi Arabia.

Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein also hated each other. Saddam was a secular ruler who saw bin Laden as a threat.

 

[para bellum]

I've used fire to soften steel and cause it to collapse.

Thus, I know the real world contradicts your conspiracy theory.

This is something you see with most conspiracy theorists, an ignorance of how physics works in the real world.

And how did you get a fire to burn at 2300 degrees F? That is the forging temperature for steel, when it becomes malleable.

It was not softening of the steel that caused the collapse. It was thermal expansion that moved the beams off the supporting columns...

 

[mamooth]

And how did you get a fire to burn at 2300 degrees F?

It wasn't intentional. I stacked a large amount of wood on a metal frame, set it alight, and then a steady 20 mph started blowing through it. It's was like a blacksmith's forge with a bellows blowing air through it. I couldn't say what temperature it hit.

You are right about the collapse cause.

 

[para bellum]

It wasn't intentional. I stacked a large amount of wood on a metal frame, set it alight, and then a steady 20 mph started blowing through it. It's was like a blacksmith's forge with a bellows blowing air through it. I couldn't say what temperature it hit.

You are right about the collapse cause.

There is a reason they use coal or gas in forges, and not wood. The most you can get from wood is about 2000 F, and that is under very specific conditions- not something you would likely get by accident. An open flame like you describe would max out at about 1300 F, maybe a little higher if you were burning something like oak or beech.

Wood just doesn't burn hot enough to make steel malleable. Metals have plasticity, and you can deform them by heating and cooling cycles when the movement is restricted, but that is not softening the metal- it's just deforming it. Think of the steel plate used on woodstoves- after a time it can become warped from the heating and cooling cycles, but it was never softened by the heat- it is the thermal expansion that causes the stress.

More likely the weight is what caused your frame to collapse, the wood shifted and point-loaded the weak frame at some spot...

 

[mamooth]

There is a reason they use coal or gas in forges, and not wood. The most you can get from wood is about 2000 F

I softened the steel with a really hot wood fire. Why is that so hard to believe?

Wood just doesn't burn hot enough to make steel malleable.

Malleable is not the same as softened. Steel will be a lot softer at 1000F, easily obtainable with a wood fire.

What You Should Know About Bending Steel - Metal Works Corporation

Steel is one of the hardest materials to work with. It is very strong and durable, but also very difficult to shape. That's why steelworkers have to be specially trained to work with it. If you're asking, "How do you bend steel?", there are a few things you should know first. Type of Steel First

pipebends.com

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The temperature that you need to heat the steel will depend on the type of steel that you are using. It will need to be at least 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit (540 degrees Celsius) for carbon steel,
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[para bellum]

I softened the steel with a really hot wood fire. Why is that so hard to believe?

Because I know steel. 40+ years machining and heat treating.

Malleable is not the same as softened. Steel will be a lot softer at 1000F, easily obtainable with a wood fire.

From your own link: "If you are using the hot forming method, you will need to heat the steel until it is malleable. This can be done with a furnace or a torch."

Softening does not mean malleable. You can soften alloy steels at much lower temperatures, that is part of the tempering process.

Not all steels will react to that- they have to be hardenable to begin with. (Plain carbon steel is not hardenable)

Hardness is not the same as ductility.

What You Should Know About Bending Steel - Metal Works Corporation

Steel is one of the hardest materials to work with. It is very strong and durable, but also very difficult to shape. That's why steelworkers have to be specially trained to work with it. If you're asking, "How do you bend steel?", there are a few things you should know first. Type of Steel First

pipebends.com

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The temperature that you need to heat the steel will depend on the type of steel that you are using. It will need to be at least 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit (540 degrees Celsius) for carbon steel,
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Bending pipe can be done cold. "1000 degrees F" might make it slightly easier if it is thin wall, but your torch is much hotter than that. Acetylene and propane torches burn at about 3000 degrees C.

No one, and I mean no one with any knowledge would try to hot-bend steel when it is that cold. That's not even red-hot yet. It will certainly not bend under it's own weight.

You are telling me your open fire made the steel even red-hot? In a 20 mph wind when the embers are being blown away as fast as they form?

Watch that TV show on knifemaking- I forget the name. They heat their blades to white-hot (about 2300 degrees F), and whale on them with sledgehammers and still barely get it to move.

 

[munkle]

Because I know steel. 40+ years machining and heat treating.

From your own link: "If you are using the hot forming method, you will need to heat the steel until it is malleable. This can be done with a furnace or a torch."

Softening does not mean malleable. You can soften alloy steels at much lower temperatures, that is part of the tempering process.

Not all steels will react to that- they have to be hardenable to begin with. (Plain carbon steel is not hardenable)

Hardness is not the same as ductility.

Bending pipe can be done cold. "1000 degrees F" might make it slightly easier if it is thin wall, but your torch is much hotter than that. Acetylene and propane torches burn at about 3000 degrees C.

No one, and I mean no one with any knowledge would try to hot-bend steel when it is that cold. That's not even red-hot yet. It will certainly not bend under it's own weight.

You are telling me your open fire made the steel even red-hot? In a 20 mph wind when the embers are being blown away as fast as they form?

Watch that TV show on knifemaking- I forget the name. They heat their blades to white-hot (about 2300 degrees F), and whale on them with sledgehammers and still barely get it to move.

9/11 anniversary bump. You know your metallurgy bro. These cavemen think you can squirt a little lighter fluid on a crowbar and it will melt. It won't even bend nevermind melt.

Never forget.

 

[munkle]

If someone falls for one dumb conspiracy theory, it means they have a low intelligence, which means they'll fall for all of the conspiracy theories.

what if is not a conspiracy theory?

 

[sparky]

Our government lies.......~S~

 

[Cellblock2429]

9/11 anniversary bump. You know your metallurgy bro. These cavemen think you can squirt a little lighter fluid on a crowbar and it will melt. It won't even bend nevermind melt.

Never forget.

/----/ Ah geeeze, not this bullshyt again. It doesn't have to melt; all it has to do is soften enough to lose building integrity.

On June 11, 2023, [1] a tanker truck carrying gasoline caught fire beneath the overpass that carries Interstate 95 (I-95) at the Pennsylvania Route 73 (PA 73, Cottman Avenue) interchange in the Tacony neighborhood of Northeast Philadelphia. The extreme heat caused the northbound lanes to collapse and damaged the southbound lanes, closing roughly nine miles (14 km) of both directions of I-95, between the Betsy Ross Bridge/Aramingo Avenue (exit 26) and PA 63/Woodhaven Road (exit 35).[2][3] The swift construction of a temporary roadway enabled traffic to resume on June 23, less than two weeks after the fire.[4]

Watch: Massive fire causes overpass to collapse in Atlanta​

The incident recalled the 2007 collapse of a connector in the MacArthur Maze in Oakland, California,[5] and the 2017 collapse of an I-85 overpass in Atlanta, Georgia

 

[PeterPilot]

Wow, I never knew that an 1100 foot steel building meeting the fire code was just like a bridge on the highway. Learn something new everyday from all the indoctrinated fools on the internet.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Wow, I never knew that an 1100 foot steel building meeting the fire code was just like a bridge on the highway. Learn something new everyday from all the indoctrinated fools on the internet.

/—-/ No retard, it shows heat can weaken the structure causing it to lose tensile strength. It doesn’t matter if it’s a building or a bridge. DERP.

 

[irosie91]

/—-/ No retard, it shows heat can weaken the structure causing it to lose tensile strength. It doesn’t matter if it’s a building or a bridge. DERP.

are you suggesting <gasp> that ................ steel is steel ?

 

[PeterPilot]

/—-/ No retard, it shows heat can weaken the structure causing it to lose tensile strength. It doesn’t matter if it’s a building or a bridge. DERP.

Oh, OK. And I guess that means the same fire can blow vertical pieces of the exoskeleton 600 feet laterally. You must be a physics graduate from one of these woke colleges.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Oh, OK. And I guess that means the same fire can blow vertical pieces of the exoskeleton 600 feet laterally. You must be a physics graduate from one of these woke colleges.

/----/ Yeah, that can happen. In fact, 600 feet isn't very far. Just like the Surfside Florida condo that collapsed.

Deadly Surfside condo collapse likely started from pool deck, officials find

The partial collapse of Champlain Towers South killed 98 people in 2021.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[PeterPilot]

Cellblock2429

Those inconvenient facts are hell to reconcile, eh CB? Large structural pieces impaled into the Amex Building, human bodies blown to smithereens cannot be done by office fires sir. Get your $ back for your physics degree.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Cellblock2429

Those inconvenient facts are hell to reconcile, eh CB? Large structural pieces impaled into the Amex Building, human bodies blown to smithereens cannot be done by office fires sir. Get your $ back for your physics degree.

/----/ You conspiracy guys are stuck on your beliefs, and nothing anyone can say or do can convince you otherwise. So, believe what you wish.

As Rosie O'Donnell said, "Steel don't melt."

Rosie O'Donnell Rant That Fire Doesn't Melt Steel Loses Credibility After Oakland Tanker Accident at 'The Maze' Bridge

While saying she didn’t know what to believe about the U.S. government’s involvement in the attacks of Sept. 11, she ...

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