That same Constitution that told us what real money was. It is not that there were people not doing well back then. But the taxes were nothing compared to today and the same issues and much worse exist. It is understandable. Poverty and hunger is not a fun thing. Yet it exists here with massive payouts in many ways. So the taxes keep rising in incremental ways. And the issues do not go away.
80 million on Medicaid
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TNHarley
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"unregulated capitalism" how redundant
schmidlap
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The Founding Fathers anticipated the inevitable societal changes and designed a democracy wherein succeeding electorates decide their contemporary concerns by electing representative who legislate according to those priorities.
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The Founding Fathers gave us their best shot. It is up to us to keep it. So far we have done a miserable job.
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The American public will not tolerate the repeal of Medicare or Medicaid, despite the strident ravings of an alienated faction.
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You’re saying the people who paid more taxes than me got more of a refund. Gee, that doesn’t make any sense to leftists. Our tax cut expires because it’s the law nitwit. Why don’t the demleftists change the law. They have the votes to do it right now?
If you didn’t have leftist talking points you wouldn’t have anything to say because you’re incapable of thinking for yourself.
bendog
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Or Canada or the UK or France, Germany, Poland, Japan, Taiwan...... Not that Obamacare was the way I'd have preferred.
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I would love to see both those stupid programs thrown in the trash. Along with Social Security.
Dragonlady
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You do know that the whole concept of welfare queens was a republican lie, do you not? This was the original Republican lie which Ronald Reagan spewed to vilify the poor.
Taxes are not theft of your income. They are your share of the cost of living in a first world country. Even the ancient Romans had the good sense to make sure that every Roman had a measure of wheat and a roof over their head. The Roman elites knew that they governed at the pleasure of the “headcount”. If the headcount was not fed and taken care of their heads would be on pikes around the Senate Forum.
This is what it always comes down to with the right. They’re afraid that their tax dollars might go to someone they deem “unworthy”.
The republican party continues to tell you fools the poor people are responsible for your economic situation, while they give tax cuts for billionaires and corporations, funeral home pay any taxes at all.
Your tax dollars are not going to welfare queens, they’re going to the top 10%, to allow them to sit on their ass is at home and collect dividends. They’re going to farm corporations who were hurt by Trump’s tariffs.
And they’re going to defence contractors to build weapons that you no longer need because you’re no longer the worlds policeman.
But you keep believing that it’s all about the “welfare queens” because you’re just that stupid and gullible. This is why Republicans keep cutting funding for education. So that it will turn out dolts like you who can easily be gulled into voting against their own best interests.
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If your point is that whenever the Democrats have fucked up this country then they have been helped by the Republicans then I would agree with you.
I stopped being a Republican a long time ago because they nothing more than Democrat Light.
Every millionaire in the US pays more in taxes each year than you do so stop your pathetic class warfare bullshit. it just makes you look like an asshole.
Defence contract serve a useful purpose for this country. For instance, they provided equipment for my son to use in Iraq when Obama sent him there. Welfare queens provide nothing of use except being Democrat ballot slaves.
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imo the const is working as it was intended on this issue, but Franklin's fear that voters would support policies that
I don't think its really a const issue. imo schmidtlap is correct when he says the const is premised upon voters demanding policies. Both strict constuction and implied powers were views expressed by differing Founders.
But the problem, as Franklin alluded to, was voters opting for easy answers. I don't really blame Reagan for the gop abandoning fiscal conservatism, which is where LBJ led the dems with his Vietnam War, because it's possible Reagan believed his deficits were short term military expenditures would be dealt with. For example, the civil war greatly expanded the influence of the fed govt ... BUT
The starting point here is the decision after the Civil War to reduce the $2.7 billion national debt. From 1866 to 1893, the U.S. government had budget surpluses each year and slashed the national debt to $961 million. Annual revenue during these years was about $350 million and expenses were about $270 million—most of which consisted of Civil War pensions and interest on the national debt.
One reason the federal budgets tended to be lower in the 1880s than in the 1860s and 1870s was that interest payments on the debt declined sharply as the debt disappeared. For example, the annual interest on the national debt dropped from $146 million in 1866 to only $23 million in 1893. The generation that fought the Civil War became the politicians of the Gilded Age, and they had the fortitude to wipe out almost two-thirds of the Civil War debt.
Speaking of Civil War politicians, those in the Grant administration—long maligned by historians—established many of the conditions for the freedom and prosperity of the Gilded Age. For example, Grant helped make sure the U.S. government had budget surpluses by winning $15.5 million from Britain for damages done to Union ships by the Alabama and other ships the British built for the Confederates. In 1875 Grant also signed the Specie Resumption Act, which promised to redeem the Civil War greenbacks for gold. Grant committed the United States to a sound currency and fiscal restraint.
The Economic Costs of the Civil War
Even after 150 years, the Civil War evokes memories of great men and great battles. Certainly that war was a milestone in U.S. history, and on the plus side
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And while the article sort of alluded to it, both the post War gop and the Bourbon Democrats participated in restoring fiscal balance.
Now both parties actively participate in creating spending with no revenue
Yes it does. But to subvert it a fiat currency had to installed and it was pushed through by very powerful globalists. Legalized loan sharks who take a cut from every federal reserve note.
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I realize Fiat Currency is a popular buzzword, but both the founders and Lincoln gop financed wars with fiat currency
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Conspiracy theories abound, and some even have an element of truth, but democracy does not hinge upon whether the citizenry buys one or another of them. Self-governance does not require either a perspicacious awareness, nor an embrace of the notion of one clandestine scheme or another.
Jefferson's contention was that the cornerstone of our democracy rests on the foundation of an educated electorate, and that remains the case.
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Massachusetts ain't very educated because the nitwits keep sending really shitty members to Congress.
Dragonlady
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You fucked yourselves by electing generation after generation of corrup Republican presidents to transfer wealth to the top.
You keep pointing to Venezuela and Cuba because that’s what your minders tell you that happens in “socialist” countries. Neither of these countries are “socialist” or democratic. Both are corrupt authoritarians dictatorships. Which is the direction that today’s iteration of the Republican Party is taking the United States.
Canada, all of the EU countries, Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, and the first world Asian countries of South Korea and Japan have all managed to produce healthy and thriving economies where their governments have invested in people, infrastructure and education. None of these countries have ended up like either Venezuela or Cuba.
All of the countries which lead the world on the “best places to live” lists, are “socialist democracies”. The only first world country in danger of slipping into second world status is the United States of America, the one most like Venezuela.
The USA has the most extreme wealth and income inequities in the first world. Republican tax codes have transferred 80% of the wealth of the nation to the top 10% of the elites and wealthy corporations. It is that tax code which is impoverishing the working and middle class, and enriching the wealthy.
80% of the wealth of Nations now held at the top. Unless there a drastic changes to the tax code and employment law, nothing will change. Your tax code rewards wealth and punishes workers.
80% of the people receiving public assistance, are working at least one full-time job. If half of them were paid $15 an hour, they would no longer qualify for public assistance, nor would they need it.
But Republicans keep telling you that this is wrong. The people shouldn’t be paid more for minimal skills. Instead they think that the shareholders should pocket the increased profits, while sitting on their asses at home.
A capitalist economy requires a thriving middle class in order to be successful. Republicans have destroyed the American middle class in favour of the wealthy. And you keep cheering this distraction. More people are falling back into poverty than arising into wealth and this is driving your country on a downward spiral into second world status.
When looking at Bidens American rescue plan it was shocking to this Canadian to see the difficulty that he was having in convincing Americans that this was a good way to go for the economy.
All of the programs he is proposing we have in Canada. We’ve had a child tax benefit for 15 years. It is one of the reasons why Canada has the fastest growing middle class in the world. Our students aren’t graduating colleges and universities carrying a lifetime load of debt, because we support public education.
We have one of the best public education systems in the world because teachers are well paid and we haven’t politicized education.
In Canada, the wealthy and the elites get 40% of our wealth - half that of the USA. Walmart is still the most profitable company in Canada. But we didn’t have people lining up for hours for food during the pandemic.
We also gave no money to privately owned corporations during the pandemic. We gave the money to the people, to the workers.
Most importantly, we locked down the country tight, and we reopened slowly. We had 1/3 of the deaths and illness of the United States. We are now more than 70% vaccinated. And we we are re-opening safely.
Our country was not bankrupted by the cost of testing and treating millions of sick Canadians. We flatten the curve, twice. We vaccinated like crazy. And we didn’t politicize the pandemic.
American view everything through partisan. You are all Americans and if you don’t start acting in your own best interest and stop believing partisans, you will never have control of your country.
Dragonlady
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This is why Republicans are opposed to education. Educated people don’t fall for their lies, distortions and bullshit. Those who know history and are taught critical thinking skills, won’t vote for the party that has crash the economy four times in the last hundred years.
You have to be pretty ******* stupid to keep voting for the people that are bankrupting you over and over again.
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You are confused Moon Bat.
The dimwits in Mass sent clowns like Kennedy to Congress. That sonofabitch killed a girl, never was right on an issue and the assholes still elected him, for years. Also that traitor. liar and asshole Kerry. Princess Liesalot is ******* joke. Markey is a ******* idiot. Just look at those morons that serve in the House of representatives. Low IQ hate mongers.
Massachusetts is a terrible state filled with idiots.
We know that here in Florida because a lot of the obnoxious pieces of shit from Massachusetts come down here as snowbirds each year. Smelly, obnoxious and dumber than a door knob.
Their education system sucks because it is turning out morons.
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