70% of those infected with Kung Flu wore masks, followed CDC guidelines.

[TheParser]

If only our betters (mayors, governors, presidents, medical "experts," etc.) would be honest with us and tell us that they do not actually know what works & what doesn't.

Then maybe we would be more liable to follow their "guesses."

Do masks help?
Do lockdowns help?
Is 6 feet apart enough?
Does the vaccine have serious side effects?
Do we have to take the vaccine very year?
Is there some way to keep the economy open so that people can work and make some money?
Is there any danger of the virus being on the mail and packages that we receive?
Can infected restaurant workers pass along the disease when they prepare food?

Is the situation hopeless, and no matter what we do, some of us will contract the virus, and some will not?

P.S. I think that it would help if people would stop accusing the Dems of exaggerating the horror of this virus so that they can better control us. Maybe some are. I do not know. But surely all the suffering that we see on TV cannot all be fake. Surely, most healthcare workers are not lying about the dreadful conditions in overcrowded hospitals.

I really, really, really hope that President Biden (and his advisers, of course) can find some rational way to stop this nightmare.

Covid-19 are bad. However, Dems needed to push Trump out. I am telling you that we will hear nothing about covid-19 death numbers after Biden in the WH unless the vaccine works.. At the end, it is what it is., just like BLM, when was the last time you hear them on the news?

I hope that that you are right that after January 20, we will NO longer hear about COVID-19 or BLM.

That would be wonderful!


Merry Christmas.

 

[Concerned American]

FROM THE OP LINK....

Infection with COVID-19 despite wearing protective measures has been recorded, with even medical professionals equipped with maximal personal protective equipment (PPE) occasionally contracting the virus.

Despite this, face masks are still shown to be the most effective means of slowing the spread of the virus, and medical bodies worldwide recommend wearing them and maintaining social distancing measures.

Also, Facebook fact-checker reviewed this study and was able to highlight some flaws:
"The comparison made in the claim cannot evaluate mask effectiveness in reducing the spread of COVID-19, because the study that the claim is based on included many more people who wear masks than people who didn’t," the fact-checker. "Of the 314 individuals surveyed in the study, only 11 never wore masks. Because the group sizes are so uneven, a comparison of the proportion of people who tested positive for COVID-19 who wore masks and who didn’t would show mask wearers to be the majority

Facebook fact checker?

314 infected people surveyed.....70% of them wore masks.

Facebook “Factchecker”: They over sampled mask wearers.

their study trial group only had 11 people in it, that did not ever wear a mask...and 303 people in the study group that did.... a more informed study would be half of the study group as mask wears, and half the study group of maskless deniers.

from what I've heard, non mask wearers are TWO TIMES likely to catch the corona virus than mask wearers.

btw, your article says the mask wears, wore their masks in public, except when eating out... these studies show that most mask wearers that catch covid, ate out in a restaurant, where they took their mask off.

You talk a lot about "what I've heard"..........this study and that study....and yet you bring zero to back any of it up.

The study in the OP is pretty straightforward, so you are having to lie to try to spin it. 314 infected people were studied, 70% were mask wearers and followers of CDC guidlines.

End of story. You can't lie your way to changing those facts.

As I said earlier, 314 infected people out of how many millions of cases?

Apparently you don't have a clue how studies are conducted.

How many people are polled out of tens of millions of voters to get a fairly accurate reading of political races?

Listen asshole, I taught statistics. You have no ******* clue what statistical significance is!

Liars, darn liars and STATISTICIANS.

 

[Concerned American]

My experience suggests the best way to avoid catching Wuhan is to avoid indoor gatherings.
I travel all around the country as a side job and play bar music as a primary job. Almost all gigs canceled in 2020 but I’ve continued traveling on the other job. For over 30 years I’ve never gone this far into the season without having contracted at least a cold by now. Not this year. Process of elimination suggests the indoor events are the culprit.
Of course all of this should be moot by now as we should have naturally been over this already. But democrat gov’s and their lockdowns are only delaying the process.

It only stands to reason that isolation will nearly eliminate most communicable diseases. However if it becomes a matter of course, eventually everyone will lose their herd immunity and you will see mass die offs due to minor disease. Don't be naive and fall for all of this "end of the world" garbage. Go on with your life, the sky is not falling and this is just so much sensationalized crap.

You can go ahead and live your life while at least trying to minimize risk of getting COVID.

I'm not a shut in but I take precautions. I have had asthma since i was a kid and don't want to risk getting a potentially severe pulmonary infection

There is a vulnerable population, of which you are a member. You take necessary precautions, as you should. The vast majority of the population is not fatally vulnerable and will recover just as they would with a common cold or flu. Please , do keep yourself safe. Merry Christmas.

 

[Concerned American]

Could the problem be that we have never had a clear mandate on dealing with the virus? That our financial concerns have overridden our safety concerns? Close everything, open just some, open everything, this rule- no that rule. One fact is clear, the more densely populated areas are going have a more difficult time controlling it, and in less populated areas the virus will start to spread faster where there are no guide lines. and the infection rate numbers support this line of thinking.

The CDC has published very clear guidelines regarding masks hand washing etc

Why do you need a politician to tell you what to do?

Why do you need a CDC (momma) to tell you what to do? Especially when they don't know (or aren't telling) anything about it either.

Tell me do you trust a Doctor with your health or a politician?

And FYI I don't need anyone to tell me what to do. I do my own research and figure it out on my own.

But then again I guess the 2 ER docs and the one infectious disease doc I know are lying to me right?

For every expert that you can quote that spouts this end of the world garbage, I can cite one that states the opposite. I will make up my own mind--it has served me well for many years. I am a believer in freedom, you are free to do whatever you want and so am I. I am not trying to tell you how to live, so don't try to push your beliefs on me.

 

[Nostra]

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Nobody ever claimed they protected you, dickhead! They prevent assholes who are asymptomatic from spreading it! My God, you are ******* thick!

So all these super smart Sheeple who wear a mask all the time and follow CDC guidelines hang out with people who don't wear masks. Doesn't make sense, but then you never do.

I don't hang out with people who don't wear masks! That's why I have not died of COVID yet much less had a cold or the flu. When I see someone like that, I spin on my heels and evacuate the area.

You really are stretching now to defend your beliefs which have been proved to be a lie, Suck it up, dickhead! You are wrong!

Explain how 70% of those infected who wear masks and follow CDC guidelines are getting infected. This time try brining a link or something to back up your bullshit, Assflap.

They took their masks off to eat indoors at restaurants. You'd know that if you read the actual report. Posts misrepresent CDC study examining mask use

The September report, which examines the behavior of coronavirus patients before their diagnosis, revealed that those who tested positive were twice as likely to have dined at a restaurant. Rather than share key findings from the study, posts online incorrectly suggested that wearing masks makes you more likely to contract the coronavirus and that not wearing one would keep you from catching it.​

That was for all of them, not just the mask wearers. So, if they all caught it at restaurants the infection rate would be about the same.

Oops!

 

[harmonica]

..if you are talking with someone, you need a mask......but I rarely talk to anyone--even at work

 

[Likkmee]

Europe Moves to Isolate U.K. as Mutated Virus Ruins Christmas

www.bloomberg.com

 

[Concerned American]

According to the CDC, that number is 18K.

Wrong (or most likely lying) The CDC very specifically stated that as of mid October there had been 300,000 excess deaths...200,000 of them attributed to covid

The CDC has published very clear guidelines regarding masks hand washing etc

Why do you need a politician to tell you what to do?

Yes because anti-maskers don't follow those guidelines

According to the CDC, that number is 18K.

Wrong (or most likely lying) The CDC very specifically stated that as of mid October there had been 300,000 excess deaths...200,000 of them attributed to covid

The CDC has published very clear guidelines regarding masks hand washing etc

Why do you need a politician to tell you what to do?

Yes because anti-maskers don't follow those guidelines

How's that view in front of you lemming? You conveniently disregard those positive covid cases that were terminal cancer patients, heart disease, diabetes, lung disease, asthma, car accidents, etc. etc. I stand by my 6% regardless of what your lying MSM says.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

My experience suggests the best way to avoid catching Wuhan is to avoid indoor gatherings.
I travel all around the country as a side job and play bar music as a primary job. Almost all gigs canceled in 2020 but I’ve continued traveling on the other job. For over 30 years I’ve never gone this far into the season without having contracted at least a cold by now. Not this year. Process of elimination suggests the indoor events are the culprit.
Of course all of this should be moot by now as we should have naturally been over this already. But democrat gov’s and their lockdowns are only delaying the process.

You were good right up until that last stupid statement

The last paragraph was the most important of all. Democrat lockdowns make things worse. If you want to lock yourself down, have at it. Leave others out of your choice.

 

[Concerned American]

I

FROM THE OP LINK....

Infection with COVID-19 despite wearing protective measures has been recorded, with even medical professionals equipped with maximal personal protective equipment (PPE) occasionally contracting the virus.

Despite this, face masks are still shown to be the most effective means of slowing the spread of the virus, and medical bodies worldwide recommend wearing them and maintaining social distancing measures.

Also, Facebook fact-checker reviewed this study and was able to highlight some flaws:
"The comparison made in the claim cannot evaluate mask effectiveness in reducing the spread of COVID-19, because the study that the claim is based on included many more people who wear masks than people who didn’t," the fact-checker. "Of the 314 individuals surveyed in the study, only 11 never wore masks. Because the group sizes are so uneven, a comparison of the proportion of people who tested positive for COVID-19 who wore masks and who didn’t would show mask wearers to be the majority

Facebook fact checker?

314 infected people surveyed.....70% of them wore masks.

Facebook “Factchecker”: They over sampled mask wearers.

their study trial group only had 11 people in it, that did not ever wear a mask...and 303 people in the study group that did.... a more informed study would be half of the study group as mask wears, and half the study group of maskless deniers.

from what I've heard, non mask wearers are TWO TIMES likely to catch the corona virus than mask wearers.

btw, your article says the mask wears, wore their masks in public, except when eating out... these studies show that most mask wearers that catch covid, ate out in a restaurant, where they took their mask off.

You talk a lot about "what I've heard"..........this study and that study....and yet you bring zero to back any of it up.

The study in the OP is pretty straightforward, so you are having to lie to try to spin it. 314 infected people were studied, 70% were mask wearers and followers of CDC guidlines.

End of story. You can't lie your way to changing those facts.

As I said earlier, 314 infected people out of how many millions of cases?

Apparently you don't have a clue how studies are conducted.

How many people are polled out of tens of millions of voters to get a fairly accurate reading of political races?

Listen asshole, I taught statistics. You have no ******* clue what statistical significance is!

I don't give a shit what you taught, Elmer.

Bring something proving the study I linked is wrong, or STFU.

Your study is ******* insignificant, dickhead! It was very early on in the pandemic and has been overcome by events. The CDC says that over 70% of COVID cases come from being infected by their spouse. Do you think they are wearing masks around each other? **** no!

You are a good Sheeple.

Know you apparently have offspring that are sheeple for your habit of copulating with farm animals. The only reason you do is that they are smarter than you!

You are on tilt!

He can be explained in 3 words--LIARS, DAMN LIARS, STATISTICIANS. LOL

 

[Concerned American]

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Nobody ever claimed they protected you, dickhead! They prevent assholes who are asymptomatic from spreading it! My God, you are ******* thick!

So all these super smart Sheeple who wear a mask all the time and follow CDC guidelines hang out with people who don't wear masks. Doesn't make sense, but then you never do.

I don't hang out with people who don't wear masks! That's why I have not died of COVID yet much less had a cold or the flu. When I see someone like that, I spin on my heels and evacuate the area.

You really are stretching now to defend your beliefs which have been proved to be a lie, Suck it up, dickhead! You are wrong!

Sound RETREAT, the enemy has no mask and the sky is falling!!!! DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER.

 

[zaangalewa]

Tell me again how we have to wear masks...

Masks reduce the ability of the virus to infect other people and to infect the own person. Wear masks. Keep distance. Wash hands. Air rooms. Specially: Don't do nothing and don't listen to yourself, traitor. Why do you still fight against your own people for the narcissism of the outgoing president Donald Trump?

 

[Concerned American]

Tell me again how we have to wear masks...

Masks reduce the ability of the virus to infect other people and to infect the own person. Wear masks. Keep distance. Wash hands. Air rooms. Specially: Don't do nothing and don't listen to yourself, traitor. Why do you still fight against your own people for the narcissism of the outgoing president Donald Trump?

Read the mask box. "Does not protect against Covid-19" Just keep running after that lemming in front of you. It won't be long now, but the view will never change.

 

[Concerned American]

Europe Moves to Isolate U.K. as Mutated Virus Ruins Christmas

www.bloomberg.com

Really, Bloomberg? You might as well be reading the NYT.

 

[zaangalewa]

... Fact: 70% of those infected wore masks AND followed CDC guidelines.

The reason why to wear masks was from the beginning to protect others not to be infected. The main problem: Some people are infected and don't have big problems while they infect others. After some time we found out that masks help also not to infect the own person. But this effect is secondary. Both effects slow down the speed of the infection (=the number of the people who are infected at the same time) and give more people the possibility not to have to die alone in the gutter but to get a chance to be healed in a hospital.

First of all you had to know who infected this 70% - if your data are not pure fantasy, what's also possible. I fear when Corona wil be over then you will still deny that you will have lost more than the 418,000 people which you lost during world war 2 - within a much shorter time. THIS DAMNED VIRUS HAS NO FEET! So in case of everyone, who died, someone else carried the virus to this people. AND NOW TAKE CARE NOT TO KILL YOUR PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS AT CHRISTMAS!

Why for heavens sake is it so difficult for US-Americans to fight consequently against a deadly virus? Is it your own wrong pride and vanity which kills you in masses? What for heavens sake are your real problems, which help this virus to kill you?

 

[Likkmee]

According to the CDC, that number is 18K.

Wrong (or most likely lying) The CDC very specifically stated that as of mid October there had been 300,000 excess deaths...200,000 of them attributed to covid

The CDC has published very clear guidelines regarding masks hand washing etc

Why do you need a politician to tell you what to do?

Yes because anti-maskers don't follow those guidelines

According to the CDC, that number is 18K.

Wrong (or most likely lying) The CDC very specifically stated that as of mid October there had been 300,000 excess deaths...200,000 of them attributed to covid

The CDC has published very clear guidelines regarding masks hand washing etc

Why do you need a politician to tell you what to do?

Yes because anti-maskers don't follow those guidelines

How's that view in front of you lemming? You conveniently disregard those positive covid cases that were terminal cancer patients, heart disease, diabetes, lung disease, asthma, car accidents, etc. etc. I stand by my 6% regardless of what your lying MSM says.

Stepkid got it. Messed him up for a week. Went to the ER. bad bad (positive-start of pneumonia) and got a Trump Special Remdesevir,Plasma, Prednisone,Ivermectin(self administered). Tore his garage apart and painted 5 days later. Neg test result.Goes Monday for another test and back to work if it still shows neg.He's 48, overweight and smokes-drinks.

 

[Dragonlady]

Yeah, masks just don't work. It's training to get us all to obey, obey, obey whatever the leftists tell us to do. Quite severe training this year: not just wear face coverings like burkas and hajibs, but can't make a living, can't run a business, can't eat out, have to stand on chalk lines at grocery stores, can't visit relatives, can't have Thanksgiving or Christmas, can't send kids to school ------- are you trained yet?

I do hope this is sarcasm ^^^

Nope, if you haven't noticed we've lost alllllllllllll our freedoms this year, probably you're a leftist and don't want anyone to be free. For everyone to do what you want.

Go ahead and make a fool of yourself talking through a cloth covering your face; just don't tell other people what to do, that's the secret to being a good person. Ordering everyone around? Not so good.

You're full of shit! Your first sentence is stupid, your second is also stupid and a damn lie.

You go ahead and mock the wearing of a mask, make sure to go to bars and restaurants where the owners violate common sense and continue to operate. The learning on this message board is enlightening, the number of truly stupid people has amazed me.

But you dont have harsh words for Gavin the liar and hypocrite. Why?

My daughter had an outbreak at her place of work. 6 out of the 15 people in her work pod tested positive. She said it was no surprise who got the virus. It was the people mocking her wearing her mask everywhere, and following all of the guidelines. Now that her quarantine period is over, she's getting all of the double shifts she wants.

Quite frankly, I don't care what the politicians say or do, I listen to the scientists and follow their advice as much as possible. So if the politicians are going out and doing stupid shit, and holding parties, I don't give a rat's ass. I'm going to stay home and wait for my vaccine date to arrive. It won't be long.

And even after I get the vaccine, I will still be wearing a mask and social distancing, until we achieve herd immunity.

 

[Concerned American]

... Fact: 70% of those infected wore masks AND followed CDC guidelines.

The reason why to wear masks was from the beginning to protect others not to be infected. The main problem: Some people are infected and don't have big problems while they infect others. After some time we found out that masks help also not to infect the own person. But this effect is secondary. Both effects slow down the speed of the infection (=the number of the people who are infected at the same time) and give more people the possibility not to have to die alone in the gutter but to get a chance to be healed in a hospital.

First of all you had to know who infected this 70% - if your data are not pure fantasy, what's also possible. I fear when Corona wil be over then you will still deny that you will have lost more than the 418,000 people which you lost during world war 2 - within a much shorter time. THIS DAMNED VIRUS HAS NO FEET! So in case of everyone, who died, someone else carried the virus to this people. AND NOW TAKE CARE NOT TO KILL YOUR PARENTS OR GRANDPARENTS AT CHRISTMAS!

Why for heavens sake is it so difficult for US-Americans to fight consequently against a deadly virus? Is it your own wrong pride and vanity which kills you in masses? What for heavens sake are your real problems, which help this virus to kill you?

It must be terrible to live in fear of your own shadow. I am one of those grandparents and I am not afraid of some BS politically motivated flu that has been hyped by a bunch of globalists that are trying to make a one world government. Stay in your basement and you don't have to worry about my mask. In this day and age, you can have everything you need delivered to your basement. There is no need for you to expose yourself. Problem solved.

 

[Concerned American]

According to the CDC, that number is 18K.

Wrong (or most likely lying) The CDC very specifically stated that as of mid October there had been 300,000 excess deaths...200,000 of them attributed to covid

The CDC has published very clear guidelines regarding masks hand washing etc

Why do you need a politician to tell you what to do?

Yes because anti-maskers don't follow those guidelines

According to the CDC, that number is 18K.

Wrong (or most likely lying) The CDC very specifically stated that as of mid October there had been 300,000 excess deaths...200,000 of them attributed to covid

The CDC has published very clear guidelines regarding masks hand washing etc

Why do you need a politician to tell you what to do?

Yes because anti-maskers don't follow those guidelines

How's that view in front of you lemming? You conveniently disregard those positive covid cases that were terminal cancer patients, heart disease, diabetes, lung disease, asthma, car accidents, etc. etc. I stand by my 6% regardless of what your lying MSM says.

Stepkid got it. Messed him up for a week. Went to the ER. bad bad (positive-start of pneumonia) and got a Trump Special Remdesevir,Plasma, Prednisone,Ivermectin(self administered). Tore his garage apart and painted 5 days later. Neg test result.Goes Monday for another test and back to work if it still shows neg.He's 48, overweight and smokes-drinks.

Glad to hear that he recovered! Good luck and enjoy the holidays!

 

[Leo123]

Didn't even bother to read the article you posted, huh? That would be expecting too much from you. Well, here are the highlights. And we won't even go into it as a disputed study.
Bottom line?...Wear the damn mask. And quit yer bitchin!

"It is possible that some of the infections may have been caused by removing face coverings for food or drink. Another possibility is airflow, as “direction, ventilation and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance,” according to the CDC report"

"However, the CDC report further explained that it is impossible to evaluate exactly where someone contracted the virus"
“Characterization of community exposures can be difficult to assess when widespread transmission is occurring, especially from asymptomatic persons within inherently interconnected communities,” the report stated".

"Despite this, face masks are still shown to be the most effective means of slowing the spread of the virus, and medical bodies worldwide recommend wearing them and maintaining social distancing measures".

So, according to that quote, the dawning of masks can cause infections, ventilation can cause infection and it's impossible to tell where a person contracted the virus. Then IN THE SAME QUOTE they say "despite" that obvious contrary evidence, we should all wear masks. Yet here is JackOfNoTrades insulting folks for not interpreting the article the same as him. Quite the height of arrogance. "Believe what I tell you not what you actually read."