54 percent of Los Angeles Shuns English at Home

[RoshawnMarkwees]

It's made of a convergence of various cultures in the effort for assimilation. Holding onto and focusing on individual heritage in lieu of assimilation is segregation. Remember that segregation thing that MLK essentially gave his life to combat?

You're actually equating using one's mother tongue at home to separate drinking fountains?

Not speaking English at home discourages assimilation....

You are speaking from ignorance.

I'm speaking from experience. Lots of highspanics where I live. .....

That is not "experience."

Troll on, black knight.

 

[Arianrhod]

Is it?
What is American culture? That is --- what's it made of?

It's made of a convergence of various cultures in the effort for assimilation. Holding onto and focusing on individual heritage in lieu of assimilation is segregation. Remember that segregation thing that MLK essentially gave his life to combat?

So you want to station the Thought Police in people's homes to make sure they "speak American"?

Here's a better idea: School some of the posters here who can't seem to master English as a First Language.

I don't want thought police anywhere.

How else do you plan to deny people the right to speak whatever language they want in their own homes? CCTV?

I have no intention of denying anyone the right to speak any language they wish anywhere. The onus is on encouraging assimilation and ostracizing those who refuse to make the effort. The result of not doing that is segregation and added costs.

Then apparently you don't understand the process of assimilation you're touting. Abuela's grandkids are bilingual. She's too old, and possibly illiterate in her own language, to learn a new one, so the kids translate for her. They grow up speaking one more language than whitebread Americans, which is to their advantage and always has been.

Doesn't matter what the first language is (though kids who learn to read and write in Cyrillic or Greek or Hebrew or Arabic get extra points for mastering two alphabets), adding English is a bonus. Studies prove that kids who grow up bilingual can pick up a third and fourth languages easily.

From what I've seen on this message board, an awful lot of monolingual Americans can't even adequately express themselves in English as a First Language.

Small wonder they're easily riled up by Spam-man and his Great Big Wall.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

It's made of a convergence of various cultures in the effort for assimilation. Holding onto and focusing on individual heritage in lieu of assimilation is segregation. Remember that segregation thing that MLK essentially gave his life to combat?

So you want to station the Thought Police in people's homes to make sure they "speak American"?

Here's a better idea: School some of the posters here who can't seem to master English as a First Language.

I don't want thought police anywhere.

How else do you plan to deny people the right to speak whatever language they want in their own homes? CCTV?

I have no intention of denying anyone the right to speak any language they wish anywhere. The onus is on encouraging assimilation and ostracizing those who refuse to make the effort. The result of not doing that is segregation and added costs.

Then apparently you don't understand the process of assimilation you're touting. Abuela's grandkids are bilingual. She's too old, and possibly illiterate in her own language, to learn a new one, so the kids translate for her. They grow up speaking one more language than whitebread Americans, which is to their advantage and always has been.

Doesn't matter what the first language is (though kids who learn to read and write in Cyrillic or Greek or Hebrew or Arabic get extra points for mastering two alphabets), adding English is a bonus. Studies prove that kids who grow up bilingual can pick up a third and fourth languages easily.

From what I've seen on this message board, an awful lot of monolingual Americans can't even adequately express themselves in English as a First Language.

Small wonder they're easily riled up by Spam-man and his Great Big Wall.

I understand assimilation perfectly. I come from a family of immigrants who immediately assimilated. Mainly because the system wasn't designed to cater to their heritage in the name of votes. As a result, they became successful Americans quickly.
What you have with increasing numbers of Spanish speakers overlapping generations is a reflection of a lack of assimilation and a greater divide is brewing.
That may be good for insulated whitie democrats and telemundo and other race-based opportunists and demagogues but it's bad for the country.

 

[Arianrhod]

I understand assimilation perfectly. I come from a family of immigrants who immediately assimilated.

Ah, one of those families that laid down the dictum: "We don't speak that language in this house. We're Americans now; we speak English." I know them well. As adults, their children will often say "I wish we spoke X in the house when I was growing up. My grandparents spoke it when they didn't want us kids to know what they were talking about, but that was it. I know nothing about the language, or where my people came from or why they came to the States..."

They're not usually very happy about that.

Knowledge isn't something to fear...although an awful lot of people on this board seem to do exactly that. Mention the word "socialism" and it's kicking over an anthill.

 

[Unkotare]

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."...

The motto of a self-important, presumptuous douchebag.

 

[charwin95]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

 

[Arianrhod]

The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."...

The motto of a self-important, presumptuous douchebag.

That's "wealthy, successful, world-renowned self-important, presumptuous douchebag" to you. Kind of like Trump, only talented as well.

Your jealousy is noted.

 

[Arianrhod]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

One more "why" question: "The Righties on USMB never seem to actually read the articles they link to. WHY is that?"

 

[Unkotare]

You're actually equating using one's mother tongue at home to separate drinking fountains?

Segregation manifests itself these days in ways more insidious than drinking fountains.
Not speaking English at home discourages assimilation.
Your argument is hyperbolic and disingenuous and you know it.

Not speaking English at home doesn't discourage assimilation. Refusing to learn or speak English outside the home does that.

Not speaking English at home -- that means with your kids -- discourages assimilation because it sends the signal that assimilation isn't pertinent.

Wrong

Not where I live. .

Yes, where you live,

 

[Unkotare]

.....

Your jealousy is noted.

Of what, exactly?

 

[Unkotare]

... She's too old, and possibly illiterate in her own language, to learn a new one, so the kids translate for her. They grow up speaking one more language than whitebread Americans...

Over-generalizations and racism in one post. Way to go.

 

[Unkotare]

I understand assimilation perfectly......

Obviously you do not. You also seem quite ignorant of American history.

 

[charwin95]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

One more "why" question: "The Righties on USMB never seem to actually read the articles they link to. WHY is that?"

Actually I am hoping that Geaux will answer those questions.

 

[Geaux4it]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

OK- I have no dispute relative to the Demographics stated

-Geaux

 

[rightwinger]

Immigrants speak their native language.......Conservatives outraged

Some things never change

 

[charwin95]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

OK- I have no dispute relative to the Demographics stated

-Geaux

But you posted Asians shun English at home. If your post is correct.....Why is it that Asian kids excel in elementary, high schools, colleges and universities? Not only in California but entire USA. They don't need press 1 for English and press 2 for Spanish. Can you explain that?

 

[Katzndogz]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

OK- I have no dispute relative to the Demographics stated

-Geaux

But you posted Asians shun English at home. If your post is correct.....Why is it that Asian kids excel in elementary, high schools, colleges and universities? Not only in California but entire USA. They don't need press 1 for English and press 2 for Spanish. Can you explain that?

Become familiar with the term Tiger Mom.

 

[Geaux4it]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

OK- I have no dispute relative to the Demographics stated

-Geaux

But you posted Asians shun English at home. If your post is correct.....Why is it that Asian kids excel in elementary, high schools, colleges and universities? Not only in California but entire USA. They don't need press 1 for English and press 2 for Spanish. Can you explain that?

IDK- Seems I recall the pecking order to be different. As Archie says to George Jefferson when talking about looking out for #1.

You see you have at

#1 The Whites and
#2 Negro followed by
#3 Chincs
#4 Spicks and
#5 Heabs

-Geaux

 

[Geaux4it]

Yes, there are some of us that are multilingual, but many of the rest regard that as treason.

That's why I carry the sigline I do. And posts like the OP affirm it every single day.

Thank goodness I have signatures turned off.

Shun English they should just shun America.... But wait, we see that already. The types that think shunning English is a sign of maturity and education are the same ones who are tearing our country apart right now.

American= Speaking English first

-Geaux

Geaux...Your link is about Vietnamese, Chinese and Korean. Very high percentage of universities and college students are asians and whites. Hispanics or blacks are far distant third. WHY is that?
High paying jobs like doctors, nurses, engineers, professors, architects, scientists etc. are asians and whites. Hispanics are far distant third or non existent. WHY is that?
At high percentage, who is cleaning the toilet, floor or washing dishes?

OK- I have no dispute relative to the Demographics stated

-Geaux

But you posted Asians shun English at home. If your post is correct.....Why is it that Asian kids excel in elementary, high schools, colleges and universities? Not only in California but entire USA. They don't need press 1 for English and press 2 for Spanish. Can you explain that?

Also from the post it reads

"The data, gleaned from Census information from 2009 to 2013, found 60.3 million residents, or more than one in five people over the age of 5, speaks a language other than English at home. Spanish is the top alternative, with 37.5 million home speakers, followed by Chinese with 2.9 million home speakers".

Care to explain why that is?

-Geaux

 

[Arianrhod]

.....

Your jealousy is noted.

Of what, exactly?

Talent.

... She's too old, and possibly illiterate in her own language, to learn a new one, so the kids translate for her. They grow up speaking one more language than whitebread Americans...

Over-generalizations and racism in one post. Way to go.

Not all whitebread Americans are as frightened as Geaux4it, but my remarks were based on the demographics on this board, and I've never such a disproportionate percentage of frightened whiteboyz IRL. Tell them I didn't mean to hurt their little feelings.