40 reasons to support gun control

[LibertyKid]

Approximately 85% of gun homicides are crimes of passion between people who know each other. They are not self-defense. They are not protecting you from criminals. People who keep guns in their houses get robbed more often than people who do not and the most commonly stolen item is/are the gun(s). And, as we all know, the majority of gun deaths are suicides. Guns have the highest fatality rate of all suicide methods.

You know what kills more people than guns:
Drunk Drivers
2nd Hand Tobacco Smoke
Distracted driving
Opiods

These deaths are all preventable. And as a society, we have tried to prevent them, but there are no perfect solutions. That's because there will always be stupid people.

And if you remove the ability for good, lawful citizens to own firearms, you only put them in the hands of criminals, which are some of the dumbest people.

 

[LibertyKid]

Ok?
And?

And in other news... bullets are fast.

 

[2aguy]

Approximately 85% of gun homicides are crimes of passion between people who know each other. They are not self-defense. They are not protecting you from criminals. People who keep guns in their houses get robbed more often than people who do not and the most commonly stolen item is/are the gun(s). And, as we all know, the majority of gun deaths are suicides. Guns have the highest fatality rate of all suicide methods.

Wrong.......the vast majority of "people who know each other," are gang members shooting at each other, over drug turf, or social media slights........

You do not understand the issues involved so you should really go and do some actual research...


As to suicide....how is it that Japan, South Korea and China have the highest suicide rates without guns? That a large number of European countries with extreme gun control also have higher suicide rates that we do? That Canada, many years, has higher suicide rates than we do?

Can you riddle us that, batman?


Explain the difference between gun free Hawaii....and Texas as well...

Consider, for example, Democratic Senator Mazie Hirono’s (HI) implication that Hawaii’s residents are far safer than residents of states with less restrictive gun laws, simply because the state has a lower rate of gun violence.30




In 2019, Hawaii’s overall age-adjusted suicide rate was 15.64 deaths per 100,000 residents, significantly higher than the national average of 13.93, and even further behind Texas’ rate of 13.38.31


In fact, Hawaii’s age-adjusted suicide rate was higher than the national average in seven of the 10 years between 2011 and 2020, and higher than Texas’ rate in six of those 10 years.32



Id. In one of the four years during that time frame in which Hawaii had a lower age-adjusted suicide rate than Texas, both states were significantly below the national average, and their rates were within 0.1 deaths per 100,000 individuals.

In 2019, Hawaii’s age-adjusted homicide rate was 2.5 deaths per 100,000 residents, higher than Idaho, Maine, and Vermont, which received F, F, and C– ratings, respectively, that year from the Giffords State Gun Law Scorecard.33


It was also roughly on par with homicide rates in Iowa, Minnesota, New Hampshire, and Utah, which received a C, C+, F, and D, respectively.34
Id.

Hawaii’s low rate of gun violence does not, in fact, make its residents less likely on the whole to die of suicide or homicide than millions of residents in states with less restrictive gun control laws. This is not unique to Hawaii or to any specific year. States like Oregon and Washington—which are highly rated by gun control groups—routinely have age-adjusted suicide rates far above the national average, and far above states like Texas and Florida, which are rated poorly by gun control groups.35

Meanwhile, Illinois and Maryland in recent years suffered from far higher homicide rates than states like Arizona, Texas, and Georgia.36

See Homicide Mortality by State, supra note 33.






Answering Policymakers’ Most Common Questions (And Debunking Their Most Common Misconceptions) About Gun Policy

 

[2aguy]

Approximately 85% of gun homicides are crimes of passion between people who know each other. They are not self-defense. They are not protecting you from criminals. People who keep guns in their houses get robbed more often than people who do not and the most commonly stolen item is/are the gun(s). And, as we all know, the majority of gun deaths are suicides. Guns have the highest fatality rate of all suicide methods.

And how is it that suicide has gone down as more Americans own and actually carry guns?

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide

There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.
Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).
Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).
Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)
Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.
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The data show while the per capita ownership of guns has increased, and the rate of suicide has increased, the percentage of suicides with guns has decreased from the 1990s to 2006, then leveled off.
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The percentage of suicides with guns dropped from a high of 61.1 % in 1990 to a low of 47.5% in 2018.​

Several studies have found changes in gun laws have no effect on overall suicide rates but may change the number of suicides committed with guns.
Guns have many positive uses, including defense of self and community, hunting, and recreation.

Update: Percent of Suicides Committed with Guns v. Per Capita Number of Guns

 

[2aguy]

Approximately 85% of gun homicides are crimes of passion between people who know each other. They are not self-defense. They are not protecting you from criminals. People who keep guns in their houses get robbed more often than people who do not and the most commonly stolen item is/are the gun(s). And, as we all know, the majority of gun deaths are suicides. Guns have the highest fatality rate of all suicide methods.

As to people who commit murder?

he lack of a clear causal link between lawful gun ownership and violent crime rates is unsurprising, given that lawful gun owners have never been the primary facilitators of gun crime. Of course, in any given year, a small number of lawful gun owners will commit crimes with their firearms, but the overwhelming majority of America’s tens of millions of gun owners will never constitute a danger to themselves or others.

On the contrary, the best available evidence suggests that a small number of serial offenders commit the majority of violent crimes, and that many of these serial offenders are already legally prohibited from possessing the firearms they use to perpetrate their crimes.13


Consider, for example, a recent report analyzing gun violence in Washington, DC, which concluded that 60 percent to 70 percent of all gun violence in the nation’s capital in any given year is tightly concentrated in a group of 500 “very high risk” individuals, almost all of whom have significant prior or ongoing interactions with the District’s criminal justice system.14

Almost half of all homicide suspects in DC have been previously incarcerated, while more than one in four were on active probation or parole supervision.15
Id. at 4.

According to the report, “most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide” in which they were involved—not including juvenile arrests.16
Id. 4–5.

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D.C. study...
A study finds that suspects in violent crime in the District share a lot of characteristics.

The National Institute for Criminal Justice Reform looked at the numbers for homicides and nonfatal shooting in D.C. in 2019 and 2020, and found that “most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high-risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors.”

Those factors include involvements in street crews, a previous criminal justice history and connection to a recent shooting. Often, they’ve been the victims of crime themselves. While the motive for the shooting “may not be a traditional gang war,” the report says, “often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now-ubiquitous social media slight.”
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More than 90% of victims and suspects in 2019 and 2020 were male and about 96% were Black.

The study also found that another 86% of victims and suspects have been involved with the criminal justice system and the average age of victims is 31, while the average age of suspects is 27 years old.

They found that, in terms of prior arrests, “victims and suspects were remarkably similar.”

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Bonus content.......the actual study...

About 96 percent of victims and suspects in both homicides and nonfatal shootings were Black, despite Black residents comprising only 46 percent of the overall population in the District (Table 1).
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Approximately 86 percent of homicide victims and suspects were known to the criminal justice system prior to the incident. Among all victims and suspects, about 46 percent had been previously incarcerated (Figure 2).
At least 23.3 percent of all homicide victims and suspects were under active supervision (i.e., CSOSA, PSA, or DYRS)1. At least 64 percent of all victims and suspects had been under any prior or active supervision and at least 76% of homicide suspects had active or prior supervision.
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Overall, most victims and suspects with prior criminal offenses had been arrested about 11 times for about 13 different offenses by the time of the homicide. This count only refers to adult arrests and juvenile arrests were not included.
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In Washington, DC, most gun violence is tightly concentrated on a small number of very high risk young Black male adults that share a common set of risk factors, including: involvement in street crews/groups; significant criminal justice history including prior or active community supervision; often prior victimization; and a connection to a recent shooting (within the past 12 months).
While the majority of people involved in shootings, as victim or suspect, are members or associates of street groups/gangs, the motive for the shooting may not be a traditional gang war. Often shootings are precipitated by a petty conflict over a young woman, a simple argument, or the now ubiquitous social media slight.
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This small number of very high risk individuals are identifiable, their violence is predictable, and therefore it is preventable. Based on the assessment of data and the series of interviews conducted, NICJR estimates that within a year, there are at least 500 identifiable people who rise to this level of very high risk, and likely no more than 200 at any one given time. These individuals comprise approximately 60-70% of all gun violence in the District.

Nealy 250 specific individuals were identified through the GVPA process but more importantly, the risk factors that make someone at very high risk has been identified in order to develop an on-going process to focus intervention efforts on those at very high risk.

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The Criminology of Firearms

The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."
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[Dagosa]

Which means, and has been historically the case, the people have the right to bear arms equal to that of the US military, whether you like it or not.

Ridiculous.

 

[LibertyKid]

Ridiculous.

You're ridiculous.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ok?
And?

Yup the criminals have telepathy and JUST know which houses to rob for firearms that's why they get robbed more then houses without firearms.

 

[Dagosa]

You're ridiculous.

Off track again. Comparing military weaponry with civilian firearm use is hideously insane. I can’t believe you were ever in the military. .

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Off track again. Comparing military weaponry with civilian firearm use is hideously insane. I can’t believe you were ever in the military. .

Nothing we are allowed to own without a permit is military grade.

 

[Dagosa]

Nothing we are allowed to own without a permit is military grade.

Really ? Military grade” is meaningless when you consider there are a plethora of firearms that meet military standards.
But, it makes for another selling point for gun makers to sell their wears to toy soldier wannabes.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Really ? Military grade” is meaningless when you consider there are a plethora of firearms that meet military standards.
But, it makes for another selling point for gun makers to sell their wears to toy soldier wannabes.

LOL the supreme Court ruled in 1939 that in order for a weapon to be protected by the second amendment it must be in use or of use to the military numbnuts.

 

[Dagosa]

LOL the supreme Court ruled in 1939 that in order for a weapon to be protected by the second amendment it must be in use or of use to the military numbnuts.

Now it’s a different story. Obviously you know you were wrong about “ military grade” as an advertising gimmick.
Now, you’re referring to a ruling from 1939 without quoting or at least referring to the majority opinion. So that’s a fallacy. Every opinion since has stipulated the your right is “NOT absolute” and the person, firearm and location are ALL subject to regulation. Persons possessing firearms must be qualified, the type must qualified and the location is subject to regulation.
The regulation for possession and use in the military are all MISSION related. That makes all their arms and their use MORE regulated.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

First, let me establish that I believe in sensible gun control, but you'd better review #2, it doesn't make sense, OR, if correct, doesn't support your premise. Did you get the numbers mixed up?

Progressive Hitler had sensible gun control, he only disarmed the people he intended to mass murder

 

[Dagosa]

Progressive Hitler had sensible gun control, he only disarmed the people he intended to mass murder

Pretty much like the gop who only denies voting rights to people they intend to not supply healthcare to. That’s murder as well.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Pretty much like the gop who only denies voting rights to people they intend to not supply healthcare to. That’s murder as well.

How were anyone's "Voting rights" denied, Honey Boo Boo?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Now it’s a different story. Obviously you know you were wrong about “ military grade” as an advertising gimmick.
Now, you’re referring to a ruling from 1939 without quoting or at least referring to the majority opinion. So that’s a fallacy. Every opinion since has stipulated the your right is “NOT absolute” and the person, firearm and location are ALL subject to regulation. Persons possessing firearms must be qualified, the type must qualified and the location is subject to regulation.
The regulation for possession and use in the military are all MISSION related. That makes all their arms and their use MORE regulated.

wrong as usual the second is an individual right not associated with membership in a militia and there are no requirements to license or register yourself or your firearm. And those locations that require such are being overturned by the courts.

 

[Dagosa]

wrong as usual the second is an individual right not associated with membership in a militia and there are no requirements to license or register yourself or your firearm. And those locations that require such are being overturned by the courts.

Are you shitting me ? You were never in the service were you ? Every soldier who is issued a firearm is REGISTERED TO THAT FIREARM. Every person in the United states has to qualify to possess a firearm. If you ever were in the service, you must have had brain damage since. You can only carry or posses a firearm in the services if your mission requires it.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Are you shitting me ? You were never in the service were you ? Every soldier who is issued a firearm is REGISTERED TO THAT FIREARM. Every person in the United states has to qualify to possess a firearm. If you ever were in the service, you must have had brain damage since. You can only carry or posses a firearm in the services if your mission requires it.

I am talking civilian you moron what the military does has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.

 

[Dagosa]

I am talking civilian you moron what the military does has nothing to do with the 2nd amendment.

It has everything foolish. A well regulated militia is the guard units. How long have you been this illiterate.