300 million guns, there really is nothing we can do.

[GreatDay]

I do see your point though we can see in NY how having armed well trained people around help to provide work for the health care teams, it's sort of a stimulus plan. Now if only more people were armed with less training we might be able to pull ourselves out of this slump.

Don't commit a forcible felony or inflict great bodily harm and you won't get perforated.

There are eight New Yorkers that might disagree.

 

[GreatDay]

"Honey I'm going to get some milk." "Don't forget your gun." "OK"

The beauty of the Airweight .38 snubnose.

I guess as long as that lady in the picture don't want that last gallon of milk.

 

[OODA_Loop]

"Honey I'm going to get some milk." "Don't forget your gun." "OK"

The beauty of the Airweight .38 snubnose.

I guess as long as that lady in the picture don't want that last gallon of milk.

Is she trying to take it by great bodily harm ?

 

[daveman]

After Aurora gun sales went up, 25 years or so ago I remember when the Ds still talked about gun control, back then they would say, “There are over 100 million guns….” The other day I heard there are over 300 million, and with stuff like this:

Gun Sales Up As High As 41% After Aurora, Colorado Shooting | Z6Mag

I see nothing to stop the increase. I have seen guns that are over a hundred years old and still kill just fine, given that; when will we hit a billion?

Will some day all Americans be armed everywhere all the time?

"Honey I'm going to get some milk." "Don't forget your gun." "OK"

And what's your problem with that? Why do you want people unable to defend themselves?

Why do you want to make it easier for criminals?

 

[squeeze berry]

"Honey I'm going to get some milk." "Don't forget your gun." "OK"

The beauty of the Airweight .38 snubnose.

The gun store had 2 Taurus snubbies. they were quite nice.

 

[tjvh]

After Aurora gun sales went up, 25 years or so ago I remember when the Ds still talked about gun control, back then they would say, “There are over 100 million guns….” The other day I heard there are over 300 million, and with stuff like this:

Gun Sales Up As High As 41% After Aurora, Colorado Shooting | Z6Mag

I see nothing to stop the increase. I have seen guns that are over a hundred years old and still kill just fine, given that; when will we hit a billion?

Will some day all Americans be armed everywhere all the time?

Why do you have a need to stop people from exercising their Constitutional Rights?

 

[daveman]

"Honey I'm going to get some milk." "Don't forget your gun." "OK"

The beauty of the Airweight .38 snubnose.

I guess as long as that lady in the picture don't want that last gallon of milk.

The Second Amendment, explained

One study found that in Florida CCW holders were 300 times less likely than the general population to commit a crime. The firearm crime rate among license holders, annually averaging only several crimes per 100,000 licensees, is a fraction of the rate for the state as a whole. Between the beginning of Florida’s permitting program and the end of 2005, the state issued 1,104,468 concealed weapons permits. During that time period 3,643 permits were revoked - a rate of about 0.3 percent. Of those revocations 2,941 involved a crime after licensure,and only 157 of those crimes involved the use of a firearm.

A Texas study found that CCW holders in that state were "5.7 times less likely to commit a violent crime, and 14 times less likely to commit a non-violent offense."

North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.

In Georgia, studies by numerous independent researchers and state agencies have found that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.

In 2004, the state of Utah had a permit revocation rate of about 0.4 percent. The rate for revocations due to firearm offenses was 0.02 percent.

Between 1986 and 2003, only 0.8 percent of Kentucky's 71,770 licenses were revoked for any reason.

In 2001, Indiana revoked about 0.2 percent of its outstanding concealed weapon permits.

Since the inception of its concealed weapons program in 1995, Virginia has seen a revocation rate of just 0.2 percent.

Between October of 1994 and February of 1996, the state of Wyoming issued 2,273 permits and revoked four, a revocation rate of just under 0.2 percent.

Between 1996, when its shall-issue law passed, and September of 1999, the state of Oklahoma issued 30,406 permits and revoked only 62–a rate of 0.2 percent.

The truth shouldn't come as a surprise either. This is what you typically know about a person who has a CCW in many states (specifically Tennessee in the example):

• He/she has never been convicted of "any felony offense punishable for a term exceeding one (1) year".
• He/she has never been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
• He/she has never been convicted of the offense of stalking.
• He/she was not under indictment at the time they applied for a CCW.
• He/she was not the subject of an order of protection at the time they applied for a CCW.
• He/she has not had a DUI in the past five years nor two or more DUIs in the past 10 years
• He/she has not been under treatment for nor hospitalized for addiction to drugs or alcohol in the past 10 years.
• He/she has never been adjudicated as mentally defective.
• He/she has never been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions ("dishonorable discharge, bad conduct discharge or other than honorable discharge Chapter 1340-2-5-.02 (5)").
• He/she has never renounced their U.S. citizenship.
• He/she has never received social security disability benefits "by reason of alcohol dependence, drug dependence or mental disability."

references for above comments
link for florida statistics
link for texas statistics​

You are far more likely to be killed by a criminal with a gun than by a law-abiding citizen.

 

[daveman]

After Aurora gun sales went up, 25 years or so ago I remember when the Ds still talked about gun control, back then they would say, “There are over 100 million guns….” The other day I heard there are over 300 million, and with stuff like this:

Gun Sales Up As High As 41% After Aurora, Colorado Shooting | Z6Mag

I see nothing to stop the increase. I have seen guns that are over a hundred years old and still kill just fine, given that; when will we hit a billion?

Will some day all Americans be armed everywhere all the time?

Why do you have a need to stop people from exercising their Constitutional Rights?

He has an irrational fear of guns.

 

[tjvh]

The beauty of the Airweight .38 snubnose.

I guess as long as that lady in the picture don't want that last gallon of milk.

The Second Amendment, explained

One study found that in Florida CCW holders were 300 times less likely than the general population to commit a crime. The firearm crime rate among license holders, annually averaging only several crimes per 100,000 licensees, is a fraction of the rate for the state as a whole. Between the beginning of Florida’s permitting program and the end of 2005, the state issued 1,104,468 concealed weapons permits. During that time period 3,643 permits were revoked - a rate of about 0.3 percent. Of those revocations 2,941 involved a crime after licensure,and only 157 of those crimes involved the use of a firearm.

A Texas study found that CCW holders in that state were "5.7 times less likely to commit a violent crime, and 14 times less likely to commit a non-violent offense."

North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.

In Georgia, studies by numerous independent researchers and state agencies have found that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.

In 2004, the state of Utah had a permit revocation rate of about 0.4 percent. The rate for revocations due to firearm offenses was 0.02 percent.

Between 1986 and 2003, only 0.8 percent of Kentucky's 71,770 licenses were revoked for any reason.

In 2001, Indiana revoked about 0.2 percent of its outstanding concealed weapon permits.

Since the inception of its concealed weapons program in 1995, Virginia has seen a revocation rate of just 0.2 percent.

Between October of 1994 and February of 1996, the state of Wyoming issued 2,273 permits and revoked four, a revocation rate of just under 0.2 percent.

Between 1996, when its shall-issue law passed, and September of 1999, the state of Oklahoma issued 30,406 permits and revoked only 62–a rate of 0.2 percent.

The truth shouldn't come as a surprise either. This is what you typically know about a person who has a CCW in many states (specifically Tennessee in the example):

• He/she has never been convicted of "any felony offense punishable for a term exceeding one (1) year".
• He/she has never been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
• He/she has never been convicted of the offense of stalking.
• He/she was not under indictment at the time they applied for a CCW.
• He/she was not the subject of an order of protection at the time they applied for a CCW.
• He/she has not had a DUI in the past five years nor two or more DUIs in the past 10 years
• He/she has not been under treatment for nor hospitalized for addiction to drugs or alcohol in the past 10 years.
• He/she has never been adjudicated as mentally defective.
• He/she has never been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions ("dishonorable discharge, bad conduct discharge or other than honorable discharge Chapter 1340-2-5-.02 (5)").
• He/she has never renounced their U.S. citizenship.
• He/she has never received social security disability benefits "by reason of alcohol dependence, drug dependence or mental disability."

references for above comments
link for florida statistics
link for texas statistics​

You are far more likely to be killed by a criminal with a gun than by a law-abiding citizen.

That (see highlight above^) doesn't mean anything to people who allow their ideologies to trump America's Constitution.

 

[tjvh]

After Aurora gun sales went up, 25 years or so ago I remember when the Ds still talked about gun control, back then they would say, “There are over 100 million guns….” The other day I heard there are over 300 million, and with stuff like this:

Gun Sales Up As High As 41% After Aurora, Colorado Shooting | Z6Mag

I see nothing to stop the increase. I have seen guns that are over a hundred years old and still kill just fine, given that; when will we hit a billion?

Will some day all Americans be armed everywhere all the time?

Why do you have a need to stop people from exercising their Constitutional Rights?

He has an irrational fear of guns.

Apparently... They sure are scary looking.

 

[daveman]

I guess as long as that lady in the picture don't want that last gallon of milk.

The Second Amendment, explained

One study found that in Florida CCW holders were 300 times less likely than the general population to commit a crime. The firearm crime rate among license holders, annually averaging only several crimes per 100,000 licensees, is a fraction of the rate for the state as a whole. Between the beginning of Florida’s permitting program and the end of 2005, the state issued 1,104,468 concealed weapons permits. During that time period 3,643 permits were revoked - a rate of about 0.3 percent. Of those revocations 2,941 involved a crime after licensure,and only 157 of those crimes involved the use of a firearm.

A Texas study found that CCW holders in that state were "5.7 times less likely to commit a violent crime, and 14 times less likely to commit a non-violent offense."

North Carolina reports only 0.2% of their 263,102 holders had their license revoked in the 10 years since they have adopted the law.

In Georgia, studies by numerous independent researchers and state agencies have found that concealed handgun license holders are five times less likely than non-license holders to commit violent crimes.

In 2004, the state of Utah had a permit revocation rate of about 0.4 percent. The rate for revocations due to firearm offenses was 0.02 percent.

Between 1986 and 2003, only 0.8 percent of Kentucky's 71,770 licenses were revoked for any reason.

In 2001, Indiana revoked about 0.2 percent of its outstanding concealed weapon permits.

Since the inception of its concealed weapons program in 1995, Virginia has seen a revocation rate of just 0.2 percent.

Between October of 1994 and February of 1996, the state of Wyoming issued 2,273 permits and revoked four, a revocation rate of just under 0.2 percent.

Between 1996, when its shall-issue law passed, and September of 1999, the state of Oklahoma issued 30,406 permits and revoked only 62–a rate of 0.2 percent.

The truth shouldn't come as a surprise either. This is what you typically know about a person who has a CCW in many states (specifically Tennessee in the example):

• He/she has never been convicted of "any felony offense punishable for a term exceeding one (1) year".
• He/she has never been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.
• He/she has never been convicted of the offense of stalking.
• He/she was not under indictment at the time they applied for a CCW.
• He/she was not the subject of an order of protection at the time they applied for a CCW.
• He/she has not had a DUI in the past five years nor two or more DUIs in the past 10 years
• He/she has not been under treatment for nor hospitalized for addiction to drugs or alcohol in the past 10 years.
• He/she has never been adjudicated as mentally defective.
• He/she has never been discharged from the military under dishonorable conditions ("dishonorable discharge, bad conduct discharge or other than honorable discharge Chapter 1340-2-5-.02 (5)").
• He/she has never renounced their U.S. citizenship.
• He/she has never received social security disability benefits "by reason of alcohol dependence, drug dependence or mental disability."

references for above comments
link for florida statistics
link for texas statistics​

You are far more likely to be killed by a criminal with a gun than by a law-abiding citizen.

That (see highlight above^) doesn't mean anything to people who allow their ideologies to trump America's Constitution.

Indeed. And we have a White House full of them.

 

[daveman]

Why do you have a need to stop people from exercising their Constitutional Rights?

He has an irrational fear of guns.

Apparently... They sure are scary looking.

Maybe this one will calm his fears:

 

[initforme]

I am all for the right to own a gun. I own several...for hunting. I compare the anti gun movement with the drug war and drug law enforcement. BOTH ARE THE SAME, A WASTE OF TIME....AND MONEY. Too far gone. If you believe in less gov't intrusion then you stop the war on drugs or you are a liar and hypocrite.

 

[tjvh]

He has an irrational fear of guns.

Apparently... They sure are scary looking.

Maybe this one will calm his fears:

Really, does it matter what they look like? I mean is a murderer wielding a rusty shovel who is about to bash your face in with it somehow more ominous than than one with a shiny new one engaged in the very same activity? The shovel is nothing more than a tool to bash your face in, or something the majority would favor... Dig a hole.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Gee, I wonder why Progressives want an unarmed citizenry?

 

[gallantwarrior]

i was also shocked that they are saying many victims were from the police shots.....that is some damned poor gun control....

No, it was not. That is the norm. That is what happens when you don't know the exact situation, you and your target are moving, the target is shooting back, your heart rate is over 160 and the adreneline is flooding your system, making your hands shake and you are scared.

With all that, I am amazed they hit the guy at all. And the police are trained to deal with all the above. And it is still hard to do.

Just think what a bunch of amatuer shooters carrying guns on city streets could do. They wouldn't be able to hit anything by design and shoot a lot of people by accident.

Funny, lots of people carry up here legally and the only time anyone is caught in the crossfire is when the friggin' gangbangers are shooting at each other. PS: most gang-wannabes are not in legal possession of firearms.

 

[9thIDdoc]

"Just think what a bunch of amatuer shooters carrying guns on city streets could do."

We don't have to guess. The amatuer in this gunfight was the only one who didn't shoot bystanders.

 

[daveman]

Apparently... They sure are scary looking.

Maybe this one will calm his fears:

Really, does it matter what they look like? I mean is a murderer wielding a rusty shovel who is about to bash your face in with it somehow more ominous than than one with a shiny new one engaged in the very same activity? The shovel is nothing more than a tool to bash your face in, or something the majority would favor... Dig a hole.

According to people with an irrational fear of guns, they're different. They're capable of independent action, not requiring human input.

Guns kill people.

Right, GreatDay?

 

[tjvh]

Gee, I wonder why Progressives want an unarmed citizenry?

Because they want us to believe the majority favors their ideologies when the exact opposite is true. If they didn't pander to the handout crowd they would be pretty irrelevant as a Political force in America. And the majority favors guns, and their Rights to have them which clearly goes against the Liberal belief system... That's why Law abiding citizens get lumped in with criminals when Liberals are attempting to further their case for gun control.

 

[tjvh]

"Just think what a bunch of amatuer shooters carrying guns on city streets could do."

We don't have to guess. The amatuer in this gunfight was the only one who didn't shoot bystanders.

Um... Give criminals pause.