$3 trillion in tax revenue over 40 years and the USA is ranked 13th

[BluesLegend]

More like the department of Dem bribes, kickbacks and money laundering.

 

[Moonglow]

If it served a purpose of bettering our children then we should keep it. Otherwise, off with it's head.

What if the children are no better?

 

[Moonglow]

No truer words. Before the federal government got into higher education, pretty much any industrious motivated student could pay his/her way through a decent state college or university. Once the federal government got involved, the cost zoomed out of reach of most necessitating going into debt with student loans.

There is very very little the federal government does that is more economical than allowing the private sector and free market do it when that is feasible.

According to Trump you will now contribute to a wealth slush fund for buying TicTok.

 

[Foxfyre]

According to Trump you will now contribute to a wealth slush fund for buying TicTok.

Link or is this just the assigned propaganda of the day? And what does that have to do with education or healthcare?

 

[Edgetho]

Exactly the same situation. In the 'olden days' we all expected to pay routine doctor's appointments, pay for a visit to the E.R., pay for our prescriptions and the kids' vaccinations out of pocket. And those of us who were among the poor as my husband and I were in the early years could always find a way to do that. There were charities to help those who couldn't or the doctors and hospitals could almost always offer a way to pay medical bills in payments over time.

There was almost no 'healthcare' insurance. What we had was hospitalization insurance almost always provided as a group plan by an employer. Some included it as part of employee compensation and some required employees to pay for some or all of it, but it was affordable.

Once the federal government got involved though, waste and fraud were evident almost immediately and costs rapidly escalated across the board. So now only the indigent receiving free healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer and those with good insurance can afford even a routine doctor visit.

And we went from being the country with the best healthcare in the world to not even in the top 10--some rank us #30.

Well, I agree there are problems and lots of room to improve our Health Care Delivery system.

There's also the fact that we're keeping people alive today that would died as little as 20 years ago.

And it's more expensive to keep people alive than it is to let them die. A lot more expensive.

Federal (Medicare) and State (Medicaid) don't pay their fair share for Health Care services. They pay what they freaking want to pay. which is somewhere around 50% - 60%, depending. I think the VA pays a lot more than that. I don't know for sure. But I do know that Medicaid and Medicare don't pay for shit. Then there's Ricky Redneck that wraps his '73 Camaro around a tree at 85MPH, gets carted off to the E-Room and doesn't have a bit of insurance but they still have to treat him. It's the Law.

Cost Shifting isn't complicated but I'm not going to explain it.

That's where most of the problems in the System come from. goobermint is dumb

 

[Edgetho]

When the Uber wealthy ceos start taking massive paycuts then I might consider some average person making 90k. Until then it's laughable. 90k is lower middle class at best.

WHAT THE **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE PRICE OF ***** IN PEKING!!

******* douchebag. You just got on my ignore list. ******* idiot. Go away. Go back to class and leave us alone

 

[Foxfyre]

Well, I agree there are problems and lots of room to improve our Health Care Delivery system.

There's also the fact that we're keeping people alive today that would died as little as 20 years ago.

And it's more expensive to keep people alive than it is to let them die. A lot more expensive.

Federal (Medicare) and State (Medicaid) don't pay their fair share for Health Care services. They pay what they freaking want to pay. which is somewhere around 50% - 60%, depending. I think the VA pays a lot more than that. I don't know for sure. But I do know that Medicaid and Medicare don't pay for shit. Then there's Ricky Redneck that wraps his '73 Camaro around a tree at 85MPH, gets carted off to the E-Room and doesn't have a bit of insurance but they still have to treat him. It's the Law.

Cost Shifting isn't complicated but I'm not going to explain it.

That's where most of the problems in the System come from. goobermint is dumb

I stand by my post. Nothing the federal government does is likely to be more efficient, more effective, more affordable than what the private sector can do if it is possible for the private sector to do it. The states will almost always find ways to make things affordable more than the federal government does.

 

[Independent thinker]

What if the children are no better?

Ummmmmmmm, what? That's the whole point. After all of these years with the Dept of Education, our children are no better.

 

[Foxfyre]

Ummmmmmmm, what? That's the whole point. After all of these years with the Dept of Education, our children are no better.

Not only no better education but much worse off.

 

[Edgetho]

No only no better education but much worse off.

Public School Teachers just want Students gone. They don't care if they learned anything or not, they want them gone.

So they pass them from grade to grade no matter.

And people wonder why Little Johnny can't read.

"TEACHER-TEACHER!!! I have to take a piss", said Little Johnny. Teacher says, "Johnny, we don't use that kind of language in class. The Proper word is 'urinate'. Now use that word in a sentence as an example to the rest of the Class and you can go to the bathroom."

Little Johnny, "My Daddy says you're-an-eight but if you had bigger tits you'd be a ten."

 

[expat_panama]

Not sure what you're saying other than that bit about the U.S. being 13Th world wide. Now, off hand I'd say that being 13th out of what, 200 nations? That puts us in the top 95% --fine by me.

Or the top 7%.

lol!! Unless we say that there are 250 nations (the number gets a bit murky) in which case we'd be back up to the top 5%...

Nice to hear from you Todd!

 

[expat_panama]

The US gets the best students. People come from all over the world to attend Hawvawd etc. Not so much because it's a top University but because of the name, the reputation and the fact that Bawstawn is a College town and a major Party town. Been there, done that.

Hawvawd has the best Students, not necessarily the best program.

If I have the best QB in the NFL behind the best O-Line personnel in the NFL and the best Running Back in the NFL, with the best Receivers to ever play the game as well as the best defensive players in the NFL and I win the Soupie Bowl, does that make me the best coach in the NFL?

You can't make Chicken Salad out of Chicken shit. And the converse is also true. Hawvawd, MIT, Stanford, etc, etc DEMAND the very best Students in the world.

Good stuff in, good stuff out. Simple

While I'm willing to admit that you got a super accent for making fun of Universities, my thought is that saying U.S. universities are popular but crummy somehow doesn't wash. I mean, you're voting with your mouth while millions of students are voting w/ their feet and millions of employers are voting w/ their checkbooks.

 

[Edgetho]

While I'm willing to admit that you got a super accent for making fun of Universities, my thought is that saying U.S. universities are popular but crummy somehow doesn't wash. I mean, you're voting with your mouth while millions of students are voting w/ their feet and millions of employers are voting w/ their checkbooks.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Many American Universities are some of the wealthiest institutions on the Planet Earth. Hawvawd has an endowment of 50 BILLION DOLLARS!!! The University of Texas has nearly that much.

That is CASH MONEY!!

ON HAND! IN THE BANK!!!

CASH!!

Check it out. I'm telling you, the edumucashun industry is a Criminal enterprise. The biggest, worst, most brazen grifters in the Country.

Uh, UT and Harvard are not school districts, Edgetho.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Indeed, you know you're real close to the heart of the grift when all the cockroaches are running around like they have been
exposed to the light.

Good description of an alt right MAGA anti-American meeting.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No truer words. Before the federal government got into higher education, pretty much any industrious motivated student could pay his/her way through a decent state college or university. Once the federal government got involved, the cost zoomed out of reach of most necessitating going into debt with student loans.

There is very very little the federal government does that is more economical than allowing the private sector and free market do it when that is feasible.

I agree with a lot of this, but I think the GOP/Dem combo in Congress will keep it to shell through it a lot of money to pet causes.

 

[Foxfyre]

I agree with a lot of this, but I think the GOP/Dem combo in Congress will keep it to shell through it a lot of money to pet causes.

That is what DOGE is for. To restore integrity to Congress so that there are no 'pet causes' that should not be the prerogative of the federal government. If a program is not in the best interest of America and Americans, if it is not competent, efficient, effective, affordable, i.e. the people get their money's worth, it should not be authorized period.

Also common sense should be applied. It could be in the interest of America and Americans to fund competent and dedicated cancer research or better yet partner with private sector research.

There should be no $32,000 outlays of the people's money for a transgender comic book for Peru.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

lol!! Unless we say that there are 250 nations (the number gets a bit murky) in which case we'd be back up to the top 5%...

Nice to hear from you Todd!

Hope you're doing well!