$3 trillion in tax revenue over 40 years and the USA is ranked 13th

[jc456]

Which explains why tuitions for college and career training have risen through the stratosphere, students are paying more for LESS education while universities are padding their trust funds and administrative staff budgets off of taxpayer money.

The current DoE aid budget needs to be dramatically trimmed and allocated directly to the states while ditching the department itself, ever since the Federal Government got involved directly in education outcomes have worsened, it's a no brainer to get the Feds out of it and leave it up to state and local government.

I bet when they audit this trail, it ends back up in some demofks pockets.

 

[Meister]

I also can't believe the number of idiots in here that have lost their minds along with those demopukers like they had some investment in it. I don't get that.

These idiots and the party have lost the concept that the government works for the people.

 

[Dragonlady]

Education was much better when the states distributed the funds.

Change my mind.

Education was much worse when it was entirely handled by the states. The federal department of education was created because the states were doing such a bad job of it.

American workers were falling behind workers from other countries because public school education was desperately underfunded and inequitable.

The USA is one of two countries in the first world, which spends more money to educate the children of the rich than it does to educate the children of the poor. The other is Turkey.

Education in Red states is particularly bad. With few exceptions (Utah), Republican controlled states have most of the worst education rankings in the country.

 

[jc456]

Education was much worse when it was entirely handled by the states. The federal department of education was created because the states were doing such a bad job of it.

American workers were falling behind workers from other countries because public school education was desperately underfunded and inequitable.

The USA is one of two countries in the first world, which spends more money to educate the children of the rich than it does to educate the children of the poor. The other is Turkey.

Education in Red states is particularly bad. With few exceptions (Utah), Republican controlled states have most of the worst education rankings in the country.

How would you know exactly? Please present your data you're using.

 

[Dragonlady]

I bet when they audit this trail, it ends back up in some demofks pockets.

Republicans: always ready to accuse Democrats of doing the same things that they’ve been caught doing.

How would you know exactly? Please present your data you're using.

This is no different than health care. You’re number one in spending in your number 37 in results. You’re the only country in the first world where life expectancy is declining, not rising

Studies and data are available on ALL of this stuff. Right wing media in the US doesn’t ever talk about any of this or any of the ways that corporate America is fleecing the American public, because right wing America is owned by the people who are fleecing them.

COE - Education Expenditures by Country

Presents text and figures that describe statistical findings on an education-related topic.

nces.ed.gov

 

[jc456]

Republicans: always ready to accuse Democrats of doing the same things that they’ve been caught doing.

Have you seen any republicans screaming to hold onto the US Agency International Development corruption found?

This is no different than health care. You’re number one in spending in your number 37 in results. You’re the only country in the first world where life expectancy is declining, not rising

You haven't answered my question yet.

Studies and data are available on ALL of this stuff. Right wing media in the US doesn’t ever talk about any of this or any of the ways that corporate America is fleecing the American public, because right wing America is owned by the people who are fleecing them.

COE - Education Expenditures by Country

Presents text and figures that describe statistical findings on an education-related topic.

nces.ed.gov

The US is number one in student funding. NUMBER one at 13th in the world. hahahaahahahahahahahaha. and you still haven't answered my question.

 

[healthmyths]

Nothing causes higher price hikes than the Federal government making things more affordable.

Totally true! The major problem is a National figure is generally spent on states with lower or higher inflation rates and revenue generations by the citizens of the distinctive states.
For example:Regional inflation rates

• East South Central: The highest annual increase in consumer prices, at 4.2%
• South Atlantic: The second-highest annual increase in consumer prices, at 3.9%
• West North Central: An annual CPI increase of 3.8%
• New England: An annual CPI increase of 2%

CPI Home

www.bls.gov

My point is a national expenditure should be funded at state levels due to inflation rates vary as above.
Which in the case of the Dept. of Education then spending over $3 trillion in 40 years was at the minimum a waste which could have been reduced if just spent at a state level.

 

[Edgetho]

I also can't believe the number of idiots in here that have lost their minds along with those demopukers like they had some investment in it. I don't get that.

Here's how it works. Useless dimocrap scum (they all are) get a useless degree from a useless College. Apply for, and receive, a useless job at a useless goobermint agency that pays a SHITLOAD of money.

You should see what some of these totally and completely useless goobermint jobs pay. Not tens of thousands, HUNDREDS of thousands of dollars a year to do -- Nothing. Well, except get in the way.

How much does a Gs 9 make in Florida? As of Jan 29, 2025, the average annual pay for a Gs 9 in Florida is $213,679 a year. Just in case you need a simple salary calculator, that works out to be approximately $102.73 an hour. This is the equivalent of $4,109/week or $17,806/month.

Salary: Gs 9 in Florida (February, 2025) - ZipRecruiter​

ZipRecruiter
https://www.ziprecruiter.com › All Salaries › Gs 9 Salary
A "GS-9" refers to a mid-level position within the US federal government's General Schedule pay scale, typically requiring a bachelor's degree and a few years of relevant work experience, or sometimes a master's degree depending on the specific job role; examples could include a "Program Analyst," "Management Assistant," "Caseworker," or "Quality Assurance Specialist" depending on the agency and specialization.
Key points about GS-9:

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salari...xt=How much does a Gs,/week or $17,806/month.

• • Mid-level position: Considered a mid-level position within the federal government hierarchy.
    
    
  • Education and experience: Usually requires a bachelor's degree and some years of related work experience, or sometimes a master's degree.
    
    
  • Variety of roles: Can encompass a wide range of jobs across different federal agencies, depending on the specific duties and responsibilities.
  
  
  
  
  

• • 
    

https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/Gs-9-Salary--in-Florida#:~:text=How much does a Gs,/week or $17,806/month.

 

[healthmyths]

Education was much worse when it was entirely handled by the states. The federal department of education was created because the states were doing such a bad job of it.

American workers were falling behind workers from other countries because public school education was desperately underfunded and inequitable.

The USA is one of two countries in the first world, which spends more money to educate the children of the rich than it does to educate the children of the poor. The other is Turkey.

Education in Red states is particularly bad. With few exceptions (Utah), Republican controlled states have most of the worst education rankings in the country.

You are a typical uninformed, unsophisticated and definitely UNINFORMED dummy!
Where are your links proving your totally subjective comments? Are you just that lazy that you can't use the Internet to prove your comments?
FOR EXAMPLE!!! I did a search for your comment you wrote above...
"The USA is one of two countries in the first world, which spends more money to educate the children of the rich than it does to educate the children of the poor. The other is Turkey."
The Google search for "The USA is one of two countries in the first world, which spends more money to educate the children of the rich than it does to educate the children of the poor. The other is Turkey."
Had this result from this source:

U.S. Rare in Spending More Money on the Education of Rich Children - Sociological Images

The Society Pages (TSP) is an open-access social science project headquartered in the Department of Sociology at the University of Minnesota

thesocietypages.org

"The United States is one of few advanced nations where schools serving better-off children usually have more educational resources than those serving poor students,” writes Eduardo Porter for the New York Times.
This is because a large percentage of funding for public education comes not from the federal government, but from the property taxes collected in each school district. Rich kids, then, get more lavish educations.
DO YOU understand? As the abover NYTimes reporter states:
large percentage of funding for public education comes not from the federal government........

but from the property taxes collected in each school district

Do you comprehend YOU are stating the Federal government spending hasn't helped because it is at a STATE level!

 

[Meister]

Republicans: always ready to accuse Democrats of doing the same things that they’ve been caught doing.

This is no different than health care. You’re number one in spending in your number 37 in results. You’re the only country in the first world where life expectancy is declining, not rising

Studies and data are available on ALL of this stuff. Right wing media in the US doesn’t ever talk about any of this or any of the ways that corporate America is fleecing the American public, because right wing America is owned by the people who are fleecing them.

COE - Education Expenditures by Country

Presents text and figures that describe statistical findings on an education-related topic.

nces.ed.gov

So you are saying that the Teachers Union in conjunction with the Dept of Education is an utter failure.
Most on here would agree with your assessment.

 

[initforme]

The Educational Establishment in this Country is the biggest grift in Human History. From $90K a year Teachers, to $750k a year perfessors it is the biggest rip ever known to Humanity.

Families go deep into debt so their spawn can get a useless piece of paper and all it's good for is getting a job at Starbucks. And the kid is left with a $100k ++$$++ College Loan debt and all the Diploma is good for is -- Well, nothing. Nothing at all. Zero. Zip. Nada. Plumbers make more. My Handy Man made $200K last year (he does some serious re-models, though). My buddy's kid is a welder and he makes $100k a year. Another buddy of mine, his kid got a Law Degree. He's making $75k and hates his job. HATES it.

Unless you're in College to get a STEM degree or a Health Worker degree or something similar, all these Liberal Arts degrees are less than useless.

Getting a Liberal Arts Degree decades ago wasn't a bad idea. Not back then. When there were few people with College Degrees. Just having a degree back then made you stand out.

Today, everybody's got a degree in something. Usually a totally useless POS degree and a massive College Loan hanging from their neck like an Albatross.

Academia is part of the criminal cabal. Do with it what you want. But you have been warned

Upset about a teacher making 90k? That's lower middle class.

 

[Edgetho]

Upset about a teacher making 90k? That's lower middle class.

For working 9 out of 12 Months? As well as many weeks off during the school season?

For teaching conformative learning? Like, say, 10th grade Algebra. Has Algebra changed over the years? Once you learn it, once you teach it and develop a curriculum, what else is there to do?

Repetitive teaching, year after year after year. To 16 year-olds?

That Teacher is a prime target to be replaced by AI. Or a trained monkey.

Either one would probably do a better job.

 

[expat_panama]

The U.S. Department of Education has been in existence since May 1980.
The Department was created by President Jimmy Carter in 1979.
Total of Department of Education gross revenue: $3,923,895,156,000 since 1980.
Source: U.S. Department of Education Budget History

As of now, the United States education ranking is in the 13th place with a score of 0.883, trailing behind countries like Germany (2nd) and New Zealand (3rd).
Source: USA Education Ranking Worldwide.

So as well as USAID expenditures used to tear down the USA, the Department of Education is now a target.

Trump wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Here's how that would impact students​

For the 2025 fiscal year, the Department of Education has a $103 billion budget. Nearly $69 billion, about 67% of the total, goes to Federal Student Aid, which helps students pay for college or career training.

Trump wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Here's how that would impact students

President Trump is moving forward with his pledge to dismantle the Department of Education, a move that has sparked uncertainty about federal education programs and funding.

abc7.com

Not sure what you're saying other than that bit about the U.S. being 13Th world wide. Now, off hand I'd say that being 13th out of what, 200 nations? That puts us in the top 95% --fine by me.

However, it's time to take a deep breath and actually think here. The U.S. university level education is generally considered the best in the world. Like, imagine you're hiring computer engineers to move some cutting edge AI project. You hire the guy w/ a computer science degree from MIT or the graduate from Botswana?

So after we agree that U.S. universities are best I'd go further to argue that our pre-college courses are the best too. My thinking is that the U.S. has the highest % of kids going on to university education in the world. The median educational level of Americans is one or two years of college which tops virtually all other countries.

It's all public record and that's why I say that U.S. education is the best and that the U.S.D.E is wrong.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Not sure what you're saying other than that bit about the U.S. being 13Th world wide. Now, off hand I'd say that being 13th out of what, 200 nations? That puts us in the top 95% --fine by me.

However, it's time to take a deep breath and actually think here. The U.S. university level education is generally considered the best in the world. Like, imagine you're hiring computer engineers to move some cutting edge AI project. You hire the guy w/ a computer science degree from MIT or the graduate from Botswana?

So after we agree that U.S. universities are best I'd go further to argue that our pre-college courses are the best too. My thinking is that the U.S. has the highest % of kids going on to university education in the world. The median educational level of Americans is one or two years of college which tops virtually all other countries.

It's all public record and that's why I say that U.S. education is the best and that the U.S.D.E is wrong.

Not sure what you're saying other than that bit about the U.S. being 13Th world wide. Now, off hand I'd say that being 13th out of what, 200 nations? That puts us in the top 95% --fine by me.

Or the top 7%.

 

[TNHarley]

All the above is meaningless until you get the President does not have the authority to EO is out of existence.

The courts will decide.

His plan is literally to use congress. It was in the article of the OP you started yesterday, that you ignored after being called out.
Dumb ass.

 

[TNHarley]

No truer words. Before the federal government got into higher education, pretty much any industrious motivated student could pay his/her way through a decent state college or university. Once the federal government got involved, the cost zoomed out of reach of most necessitating going into debt with student loans.

There is very very little the federal government does that is more economical than allowing the private sector and free market do it when that is feasible.

Reminds me of healthcare.

 

[Edgetho]

Not sure what you're saying other than that bit about the U.S. being 13Th world wide. Now, off hand I'd say that being 13th out of what, 200 nations? That puts us in the top 95% --fine by me.

However, it's time to take a deep breath and actually think here. The U.S. university level education is generally considered the best in the world. Like, imagine you're hiring computer engineers to move some cutting edge AI project. You hire the guy w/ a computer science degree from MIT or the graduate from Botswana?

So after we agree that U.S. universities are best I'd go further to argue that our pre-college courses are the best too. My thinking is that the U.S. has the highest % of kids going on to university education in the world. The median educational level of Americans is one or two years of college which tops virtually all other countries.

It's all public record and that's why I say that U.S. education is the best and that the U.S.D.E is wrong.

The US gets the best students. People come from all over the world to attend Hawvawd etc. Not so much because it's a top University but because of the name, the reputation and the fact that Bawstawn is a College town and a major Party town. Been there, done that.

Hawvawd has the best Students, not necessarily the best program.

If I have the best QB in the NFL behind the best O-Line personnel in the NFL and the best Running Back in the NFL, with the best Receivers to ever play the game as well as the best defensive players in the NFL and I win the Soupie Bowl, does that make me the best coach in the NFL?

You can't make Chicken Salad out of Chicken shit. And the converse is also true. Hawvawd, MIT, Stanford, etc, etc DEMAND the very best Students in the world.

Good stuff in, good stuff out. Simple

 

[Foxfyre]

Reminds me of healthcare.

Exactly the same situation. In the 'olden days' we all expected to pay routine doctor's appointments, pay for a visit to the E.R., pay for our prescriptions and the kids' vaccinations out of pocket. And those of us who were among the poor as my husband and I were in the early years could always find a way to do that. There were charities to help those who couldn't or the doctors and hospitals could almost always offer a way to pay medical bills in payments over time.

There was almost no 'healthcare' insurance. What we had was hospitalization insurance almost always provided as a group plan by an employer. Some included it as part of employee compensation and some required employees to pay for some or all of it, but it was affordable.

Once the federal government got involved though, waste and fraud were evident almost immediately and costs rapidly escalated across the board. So now only the indigent receiving free healthcare courtesy of the taxpayer and those with good insurance can afford even a routine doctor visit.

And we went from being the country with the best healthcare in the world to not even in the top 10--some rank us #30.

The similarity between government meddling in education and government meddling in healthcare is remarkable in its negative effect.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The U.S. Department of Education has been in existence since May 1980.
The Department was created by President Jimmy Carter in 1979.
Total of Department of Education gross revenue: $3,923,895,156,000 since 1980.
Source: U.S. Department of Education Budget History

As of now, the United States education ranking is in the 13th place with a score of 0.883, trailing behind countries like Germany (2nd) and New Zealand (3rd).
Source: USA Education Ranking Worldwide.

So as well as USAID expenditures used to tear down the USA, the Department of Education is now a target.

Trump wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Here's how that would impact students​

For the 2025 fiscal year, the Department of Education has a $103 billion budget. Nearly $69 billion, about 67% of the total, goes to Federal Student Aid, which helps students pay for college or career training.

Trump wants to eliminate the Department of Education. Here's how that would impact students

President Trump is moving forward with his pledge to dismantle the Department of Education, a move that has sparked uncertainty about federal education programs and funding.

abc7.com

 

[initforme]

For working 9 out of 12 Months? As well as many weeks off during the school season?

For teaching conformative learning? Like, say, 10th grade Algebra. Has Algebra changed over the years? Once you learn it, once you teach it and develop a curriculum, what else is there to do?

Repetitive teaching, year after year after year. To 16 year-olds?

That Teacher is a prime target to be replaced by AI. Or a trained monkey.

Either one would probably do a better job.

When the Uber wealthy ceos start taking massive paycuts then I might consider some average person making 90k. Until then it's laughable. 90k is lower middle class at best.