2nd Amendment - "Miltia" - US Constitution - Mentioned How Times

A militia is promised to all the States by the 2nd Amendment, with no subversion from the US Government.

The Congress may call it forth to be used by the President and Congress may make all needful regulations and orders for arming and maintaining the Militia of the several States.

The President is in Command of any Federalized Militia.

Also the second amendment conveys a personal right to all citizens of the several States to keep and bear arms.

Anything else?

All states today have a militia. It's called the National Guard. Where does it say that all citizens, including youth with mental health issues, should be armed?
At best the National Guard is the FEDERALIZED portion of a State militia. It is not the entire Militia allowed by the Constitution.

As for mentally ill they are barred from having firearms if properly adjudged to be incompetent or a threat.

The militia is all physically fit persons age 18 to 46 as defined by law. With the age increase to 55 for the military one can assume the militia may also increase to 55.

As for it being a personal right, the Supreme Court so ruled, and it does not have to have any connection to a militia.

There is no other authorized "militia", or than the National Guard, or similar armed forces configurations. There is no militia based on the fact of citizenship, or age, or other factors, other than in the minds of some crazies in Idaho, or similar dens of dysfunction.

As for the mentally ill, I don't doubt that with a little googling, you could find some sort of sanction. But what is the real situation here? Think those young lads at Columbine or Sandy Hook had a hard time getting weapons? They didn't because they lived in a country in which violence is glorified, and in which guns are everywhere.

The second amendment is, in today's terms, vague on the idea of gun ownership. Any realistic interpretation of history makes this clear. Of course, in a sparsely populated, farmer society, facing wild animals and hostile aboriginal groups, a flintlock over the fireplace is not a bad idea. There is absolutely no way the framers of such law could could have foreseen the sociological and demographic realities of today. This is as absurd as suggesting that that we can clearly foresee the society of 2213, and hence make laws appropriate to those times. Those that cower behind the supposed intent of laws made 200 years ago really have different motives, those that are (not suprisingly) rooted in today's issues, and in, particularly, their own personal anxieties.
 
All states today have a militia. It's called the National Guard. Where does it say that all citizens, including youth with mental health issues, should be armed?
At best the National Guard is the FEDERALIZED portion of a State militia. It is not the entire Militia allowed by the Constitution.

As for mentally ill they are barred from having firearms if properly adjudged to be incompetent or a threat.

The militia is all physically fit persons age 18 to 46 as defined by law. With the age increase to 55 for the military one can assume the militia may also increase to 55.

As for it being a personal right, the Supreme Court so ruled, and it does not have to have any connection to a militia.

There is no other authorized "militia", or than the National Guard, or similar armed forces configurations. There is no militia based on the fact of citizenship, or age, or other factors, other than in the minds of some crazies in Idaho, or similar dens of dysfunction.

As for the mentally ill, I don't doubt that with a little googling, you could find some sort of sanction. But what is the real situation here? Think those young lads at Columbine or Sandy Hook had a hard time getting weapons? They didn't because they lived in a country in which violence is glorified, and in which guns are everywhere.

The second amendment is, in today's terms, vague on the idea of gun ownership. Any realistic interpretation of history makes this clear. Of course, in a sparsely populated, farmer society, facing wild animals and hostile aboriginal groups, a flintlock over the fireplace is not a bad idea. There is absolutely no way the framers of such law could could have foreseen the sociological and demographic realities of today. This is as absurd as suggesting that that we can clearly foresee the society of 2213, and hence make laws appropriate to those times. Those that cower behind the supposed intent of laws made 200 years ago really have different motives, those that are (not suprisingly) rooted in today's issues, and in, particularly, their own personal anxieties.

By FEDERAL law all person able from the age of 17 to 45 with exceptions are the militia. I linked the applicable law. It clearly states that the National Guard is NOT the sole sum of the militia. Perhaps you should read it?

As for right to own the Supreme Court settled that issue. the 2nd is a personal right irregardless of membership in a militia.
 
All states today have a militia. It's called the National Guard. Where does it say that all citizens, including youth with mental health issues, should be armed?
At best the National Guard is the FEDERALIZED portion of a State militia. It is not the entire Militia allowed by the Constitution.

As for mentally ill they are barred from having firearms if properly adjudged to be incompetent or a threat.

The militia is all physically fit persons age 18 to 46 as defined by law. With the age increase to 55 for the military one can assume the militia may also increase to 55.

As for it being a personal right, the Supreme Court so ruled, and it does not have to have any connection to a militia.

There is no other authorized "militia", or than the National Guard, or similar armed forces configurations. There is no militia based on the fact of citizenship, or age, or other factors, other than in the minds of some crazies in Idaho, or similar dens of dysfunction.

As for the mentally ill, I don't doubt that with a little googling, you could find some sort of sanction. But what is the real situation here? Think those young lads at Columbine or Sandy Hook had a hard time getting weapons? They didn't because they lived in a country in which violence is glorified, and in which guns are everywhere.

The second amendment is, in today's terms, vague on the idea of gun ownership. Any realistic interpretation of history makes this clear. Of course, in a sparsely populated, farmer society, facing wild animals and hostile aboriginal groups, a flintlock over the fireplace is not a bad idea. There is absolutely no way the framers of such law could could have foreseen the sociological and demographic realities of today. This is as absurd as suggesting that that we can clearly foresee the society of 2213, and hence make laws appropriate to those times. Those that cower behind the supposed intent of laws made 200 years ago really have different motives, those that are (not suprisingly) rooted in today's issues, and in, particularly, their own personal anxieties.

Let me help you


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute
 
I see it mentioned 4 times.

Article I section 8 it is mentioned twice.

Article II section 2 it is mentioned once

2nd Amendment it is mentioned.

Now what is the point?

The point?


2nd Amendment - "Miltia" - US Constitution - Mentioned How Times :eusa_whistle:

When discusing the reading and interpreting of the 2nd Amendment, I believe the honesty, integrity, and ultimately, for better or worse, the character of people comes through. Discussions of the US Constitution have divided the American people since it's inception.

So with this, let the divisions begin: How many times is the term militia, mentioned throughout the whole of the US Constitution; what roles, duties, obligations, and powers are prescribed to the individual states as a whole; what roles, duties, obligations, and powers are prescribed to the national government?

:eusa_whistle:

All of it would help explain what a militia was and what the framers and ratfiers meant. Then there is the Militia Act, but first thing is we know the term 'militia' was used throughout the Constitution
 
A militia is promised to all the States by the 2nd Amendment, with no subversion from the US Government.

The Congress may call it forth to be used by the President and Congress may make all needful regulations and orders for arming and maintaining the Militia of the several States.

The President is in Command of any Federalized Militia.

Also the second amendment conveys a personal right to all citizens of the several States to keep and bear arms.

Anything else?

The militia mentioned in the 2nd is referenced in other parts of the Constitution. Very good.

Is it Section 8 where the national government has the power, in addition to the power to raise Armies and maintain a Navy, to call out the Militia (singular), to suppress insurections, repel invasions and help execute laws of the land? The reasons for a militia's existence?
 
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Article 1 Section 8:

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To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
 
Hmm. Methinks the real dumbass will be brought to light shortly

I thought danty left this dead thread I just killed?

I think you sidestepped the point. And if you're a constitutionalist then you should know that any "act" is not a part of the constitution.

Dumb ass over here. DID I say an act was part of the Constitution? No dumb ass I did not. I said it was equal to the constitution as part of the supreme law of the land.
 
A simple compound question puzzles you people? Okay, take it apart...

How many times is the term militia mentioned in the US Constitution?

Do you know what an act is? It's a law it's part of the supreme law of the land which is equal to the U.S. Constitution.
DUMB ASS.

Only the thread is about the term "militia" in the Constitution.

Being a true dumbass, you have read into things and made assumptions that take things off topic

Imbecile

idiot we have laws that have determine the validity of the militia. Your approval is not needed.
 
At best the National Guard is the FEDERALIZED portion of a State militia. It is not the entire Militia allowed by the Constitution.

As for mentally ill they are barred from having firearms if properly adjudged to be incompetent or a threat.

The militia is all physically fit persons age 18 to 46 as defined by law. With the age increase to 55 for the military one can assume the militia may also increase to 55.

As for it being a personal right, the Supreme Court so ruled, and it does not have to have any connection to a militia.

There is no other authorized "militia", or than the National Guard, or similar armed forces configurations. There is no militia based on the fact of citizenship, or age, or other factors, other than in the minds of some crazies in Idaho, or similar dens of dysfunction.

As for the mentally ill, I don't doubt that with a little googling, you could find some sort of sanction. But what is the real situation here? Think those young lads at Columbine or Sandy Hook had a hard time getting weapons? They didn't because they lived in a country in which violence is glorified, and in which guns are everywhere.

The second amendment is, in today's terms, vague on the idea of gun ownership. Any realistic interpretation of history makes this clear. Of course, in a sparsely populated, farmer society, facing wild animals and hostile aboriginal groups, a flintlock over the fireplace is not a bad idea. There is absolutely no way the framers of such law could could have foreseen the sociological and demographic realities of today. This is as absurd as suggesting that that we can clearly foresee the society of 2213, and hence make laws appropriate to those times. Those that cower behind the supposed intent of laws made 200 years ago really have different motives, those that are (not suprisingly) rooted in today's issues, and in, particularly, their own personal anxieties.

Let me help you


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

Excellent. And so Adam Lanza was an authorized member of the "militia", as are the Mafia, and anyone else who sees John Wayne in the mirror, and likes the feel of a gun in his waistband? Giving everyone and his dog a gun, and then hyping individualism and self interest and materialism is a recipe for a disaster, which is now making itself felt across America.
 
There is no other authorized "militia", or than the National Guard, or similar armed forces configurations. There is no militia based on the fact of citizenship, or age, or other factors, other than in the minds of some crazies in Idaho, or similar dens of dysfunction.

As for the mentally ill, I don't doubt that with a little googling, you could find some sort of sanction. But what is the real situation here? Think those young lads at Columbine or Sandy Hook had a hard time getting weapons? They didn't because they lived in a country in which violence is glorified, and in which guns are everywhere.

The second amendment is, in today's terms, vague on the idea of gun ownership. Any realistic interpretation of history makes this clear. Of course, in a sparsely populated, farmer society, facing wild animals and hostile aboriginal groups, a flintlock over the fireplace is not a bad idea. There is absolutely no way the framers of such law could could have foreseen the sociological and demographic realities of today. This is as absurd as suggesting that that we can clearly foresee the society of 2213, and hence make laws appropriate to those times. Those that cower behind the supposed intent of laws made 200 years ago really have different motives, those that are (not suprisingly) rooted in today's issues, and in, particularly, their own personal anxieties.

Let me help you


(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes | Title 10 - Armed Forces | U.S. Code | LII / Legal Information Institute

Excellent. And so Adam Lanza was an authorized member of the "militia", as are the Mafia, and anyone else who sees John Wayne in the mirror, and likes the feel of a gun in his waistband? Giving everyone and his dog a gun, and then hyping individualism and self interest and materialism is a recipe for a disaster, which is now making itself felt across America.

Just because you are an ignorant boob doesn't mean any of what you said is even remotely true.
 
Do you know what an act is? It's a law it's part of the supreme law of the land which is equal to the U.S. Constitution.
DUMB ASS.

Only the thread is about the term "militia" in the Constitution.

Being a true dumbass, you have read into things and made assumptions that take things off topic

Imbecile

idiot we have laws that have determine the validity of the militia. Your approval is not needed.

Stop acting the Moron-in-Chief. When did Dante ever argue against constitutional militia? :eek:
 
2nd Amendment - "Miltia" - US Constitution - Mentioned How Times :eusa_whistle:

When discusing the reading and interpreting of the 2nd Amendment, I believe the honesty, integrity, and ultimately, for better or worse, the character of people comes through. Discussions of the US Constitution have divided the American people since it's inception.

So with this, let the divisions begin: How many times is the term militia, mentioned throughout the whole of the US Constitution; what roles, duties, obligations, and powers are prescribed to the individual states as a whole; what roles, duties, obligations, and powers are prescribed to the national government?

:eusa_whistle:

So simple, yet the right wing here @ usmb struggles with it. :laugh2:
 
Only the thread is about the term "militia" in the Constitution.

Being a true dumbass, you have read into things and made assumptions that take things off topic

Imbecile

idiot we have laws that have determine the validity of the militia. Your approval is not needed.

Stop acting the Moron-in-Chief. When did Dante ever argue against constitutional militia? :eek:

other than trolling do you have a purpose for this thread?
 
How many times is the term militia, mentioned throughout the whole of the US Constitution;

The word appears six times. Four mentions in the body of the Constitution and twice in the Bill of Rights.

what roles, duties, obligations, and powers are prescribed to the individual states as a whole;

The states are charged with the appointment of militia officers and implementing the organization and training regimen established by Congress.

what roles, duties, obligations, and powers are prescribed to the national government?

Congress has sole authority to prescribe the means of calling up and enrolling and manner of organizing the citizens as militia and establishing the training regimen to be used by the states. Congress possesses the power to federalize whatever state militias it deems necessary to respond to certain dangers to the federal government. Congress also possesses the power to prescribe how the militia shall procure their arms and what types of arms are to be mustered with.

There are specific circumstances under which Congress and the President directly control the militia. These distinctions are quite important for the division of militia command and control. They are in fact, strict limits of federal power.

Congress possesses the power to "govern" the militia but only "such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States".

Similarly, the President is of course Commander in Chief of the militia but not all the time . . . He can directly command, "the militia of the several States," but only "when called into the actual service of the United States".

This reading follows the canon of statutory interpretation of expressio unius est exclusio alterius ("the express mention of one thing excludes all others") the authority of Congress "to govern," and the President to be CiC, only begins when the militia are formally called for service by Congress for duty to the nation. That power is limited further to only the part in actual service. That would stop Congress calling to service only say the Boston companies and having the entirety of the Massachusetts militia falling under Congressional control or calling up one state's militia and then all the states' militias falling under the control of Congress.

All this leads to perhaps a stupid question:

What constitutional authority does Congress actually have to dictate to a private citizen, 1), not enrolled in his state's militia, and 2), his state having no part of its militia called into actual service or employed in service of the nation, that only certain weapons are permitted by law?

It seems to me, again, using the rule of expressio unius est exclusio alterius ("the express mention of one thing excludes all others"), a private citizen and his personal arms are twice removed from having any federal authority being brought to bear upon him (under the auspices of militia regulation).

It seems to me that the "unorganized militia" of the US Code are immune by direct exclusion from control by Congress and the President. The private citizen and his personal arms are only directly addressed in the 2nd Amendment, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Additionally and proving my point, if suspected of committing a, "capital, or otherwise infamous crime," the unorganized militia are afforded the Grand Jury protections of the 5th Amendment, but, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; . . . . an enrolled, active militia member would be subject to military law and court martial.

Note that there is no distinction stated for actual service of or employment by the United States. It seems that even if only called up / employed by their state, they are subject to federal military law.

Interesting. . .
 
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I know that North Carolina has a State militia separate from the national Guard. And I believe other States do as well.

Further private militias may form unless specifically barred by State law but they must acquiesce to State and federal Control when so ordered. In the Civil War in the South many private Militias fell under both State and Confederate control.

A militia is by definition part time unless called to duty by the State or Federal Government, so those organizations that maintain armed members at all times are not militias. Unless only a small segment of the Militia is armed and on duty all the time.

Counties and cities could unless barred by State law create their own militias and those would fall under State or federal Control if either called them up.

One could argue that every able bodied man 17 to 45 should own a long firearm. And a stash of ammo for that weapon.
 
I know that North Carolina has a State militia separate from the national Guard. And I believe other States do as well.

Further private militias may form unless specifically barred by State law but they must acquiesce to State and federal Control when so ordered. In the Civil War in the South many private Militias fell under both State and Confederate control.

A militia is by definition part time unless called to duty by the State or Federal Government, so those organizations that maintain armed members at all times are not militias. Unless only a small segment of the Militia is armed and on duty all the time.

Counties and cities could unless barred by State law create their own militias and those would fall under State or federal Control if either called them up.

One could argue that every able bodied man 17 to 45 should own a long firearm. And a stash of ammo for that weapon.
Yes sir we do.
 

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