2009 Budget deficit to be largest ever

[DiamondDave]

EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WESTERN WORLD HAS UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE, AND THEY PAY HALF PER CAPITA WHAT WE PAY FOR HEALTHCARE.

That is the reality.

I can pay half as much for a lump of shit than you pay for a steak... don't make it as good now does it... even though both are matter, both weigh the same, both came from an animal, both can be heated to 140 degrees...

There are more things to compare than just your selective choices of information

 

[busara]

I can pay half as much for a lump of shit than you pay for a steak... don't make it as good now does it... even though both are matter, both weigh the same, both came from an animal, both can be heated to 140 degrees...

There are more things to compare than just your selective choices of information

so show some evidence that the US system is much better instead of claiming every source thrown your way is wrong

Health Spending in the United States and the Rest of the Industrialized World
we have fewer hospital beds, nurses, physicians, and CT scanners than the OECD avg

 

[Care4all]

so show some evidence that the US system is much better instead of claiming every source thrown your way is wrong

Health Spending in the United States and the Rest of the Industrialized World
we have fewer hospital beds, nurses, physicians, and CT scanners than the OECD avg

seems the ''party rhetoric'' is getting in the way, maybe?

 

[DiamondDave]

so show some evidence that the US system is much better instead of claiming every source thrown your way is wrong

Health Spending in the United States and the Rest of the Industrialized World
we have fewer hospital beds, nurses, physicians, and CT scanners than the OECD avg

Where are the most advanced techniques developed, used, and trained to others? Which country has the most access to medical professionals trained at the best schools?

Again... you simply cite certain statistics to paint your preconceived agenda... may fool the week minded sheep on the left... don't fool me.. we have the best hospitals, doctors, innovations, etc in all the world... and while there may be flaws in the 'system'... I would not lose this system for government run or managed or funded healthcare as an entitlement system... period

 

[DiamondDave]

so show some evidence that the US system is much better instead of claiming every source thrown your way is wrong

Health Spending in the United States and the Rest of the Industrialized World
we have fewer hospital beds, nurses, physicians, and CT scanners than the OECD avg

Also nice try... did not say that your selective statistics were 'wrong'.. but that your biased conclusion was because it was based only on your selective information to suit your agenda....

 

[busara]

Where are the most advanced techniques developed, used, and trained to others? Which country has the most access to medical professionals trained at the best schools?

Again... you simply cite certain statistics to paint your preconceived agenda... may fool the week minded sheep on the left... don't fool me.. we have the best hospitals, doctors, innovations, etc in all the world... and while there may be flaws in the 'system'... I would not lose this system for government run or managed or funded healthcare as an entitlement system... period

back this up with data. im not looking for opinion, back it up! dont worry, ill wait

 

[sealybobo]

Any more conspiracy theories you want to jot down another time?? See black helicopters over your house again??... running out of tin foil because of the amount of hats you have been making to wear??


whack job

I didn't drink your milkshake Dave. I may have milkshake in my gotee, but it wasn't me. Sooo dumb.

 

[Chris]

I can pay half as much for a lump of shit than you pay for a steak... don't make it as good now does it... even though both are matter, both weigh the same, both came from an animal, both can be heated to 140 degrees...

There are more things to compare than just your selective choices of information

Bad analogy.

We ranked 37th in the world in healthcare.

 

[sealybobo]

He gave NO examples of the Government running anything MORE efficiently or cheaper.

My RETIREMENT BENEFITS are none of your business.

Will you admit you are wrong if we provide you the list? Then forget giving it to you if it doesn't matter anyways.

 

[DiamondDave]

back this up with data. im not looking for opinion, back it up! dont worry, ill wait

World Hospitals' ranking on the Web: Top 1000 World Ranking

Again... you SELECTIVELY use statistics... yet do not look into what those statistics truly mean...

Do we have less hospital beds because we're lacking, or do we have less because we treat better and faster and we do not populate as many beds with cases that do not need beds? Do we have less of one type of machine because we have even more advanced machines that do a better job with more quickness and efficiency that we don't need as many of that machine?

Please... get off of your bash America and Entitlement agenda... open your eyes.... we have the best healthcare in the world... the best facilities, the best schools, the best hospitals, the best education, etc.... our system may have flaws.... and it could be better.. everything can always be better...

But again... because you want something or need something does not mean you are entitled to it... and the government can not inherently make it all better for you... not should it in terms of personal responsibility.. which is what your healthcare and your well being fall under

 

[Chris]

World Hospitals' ranking on the Web: Top 1000 World Ranking

Again... you SELECTIVELY use statistics... yet do not look into what those statistics truly mean...

Do we have less hospital beds because we're lacking, or do we have less because we treat better and faster and we do not populate as many beds with cases that do not need beds? Do we have less of one type of machine because we have even more advanced machines that do a better job with more quickness and efficiency that we don't need as many of that machine?

Please... get off of your bash America and Entitlement agenda... open your eyes.... we have the best healthcare in the world... the best facilities, the best schools, the best hospitals, the best education, etc.... our system may have flaws.... and it could be better.. everything can always be better...

But again... because you want something or need something does not mean you are entitled to it... and the government can not inherently make it all better for you... not should it in terms of personal responsibility.. which is what your healthcare and your well being fall under

Personal responsibility? What does that have to do with a single payer insurance plan?

 

[Chris]

World Hospitals' ranking on the Web: Top 1000 World Ranking

Again... you SELECTIVELY use statistics... yet do not look into what those statistics truly mean...

Do we have less hospital beds because we're lacking, or do we have less because we treat better and faster and we do not populate as many beds with cases that do not need beds? Do we have less of one type of machine because we have even more advanced machines that do a better job with more quickness and efficiency that we don't need as many of that machine?

Please... get off of your bash America and Entitlement agenda... open your eyes.... we have the best healthcare in the world... the best facilities, the best schools, the best hospitals, the best education, etc.... our system may have flaws.... and it could be better.. everything can always be better...

But again... because you want something or need something does not mean you are entitled to it... and the government can not inherently make it all better for you... not should it in terms of personal responsibility.. which is what your healthcare and your well being fall under

What good is a hospital if you are too sick to work and can't afford health insurance?

 

[DiamondDave]

Personal responsibility? What does that have to do with a single payer insurance plan?

Because it is not the responsibility of government to do that for you.... it is not mommy government to set up and take control of the healthcare industry in any way... just as it is not the job of mommy government to select you a wife... or to ensure you have shoes... or to do anything else that is within the realm of your personal responsibility....

GOVERNMENT IS NOT A HEALTHCARE AGENCY AND IT IS NOT YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY... and it also is not in any way Robin Hood and Friar Tuck to steal from the rich to give to the poor... government is there to protect us as a whole (AKA as a populace), ensure our freedoms, set and enforce laws....

Ones like you and your ilk have to learn that the only one responsible for you is you...

 

[DiamondDave]

What good is a hospital if you are too sick to work and can't afford health insurance?

And now you get to what is the heart of your argument.... wanting someone else to provide it to you... entitlement...

what good is it if you cannot take care of yourself....

Do I believe in charities to help in medical research, and treatment of disease, and supporting hospitals??? Yes indeed.... that is voluntary out of the goodness of people's hearts.... VOLUNTARY.... your forced wealth redistribution on yet another level is not right... you are not entitled to the fruits of my labor... you want something, earn it lefty

 

[busara]

World Hospitals' ranking on the Web: Top 1000 World Ranking

Again... you SELECTIVELY use statistics... yet do not look into what those statistics truly mean...

Do we have less hospital beds because we're lacking, or do we have less because we treat better and faster and we do not populate as many beds with cases that do not need beds? Do we have less of one type of machine because we have even more advanced machines that do a better job with more quickness and efficiency that we don't need as many of that machine?

Please... get off of your bash America and Entitlement agenda... open your eyes.... we have the best healthcare in the world... the best facilities, the best schools, the best hospitals, the best education, etc.... our system may have flaws.... and it could be better.. everything can always be better...

But again... because you want something or need something does not mean you are entitled to it... and the government can not inherently make it all better for you... not should it in terms of personal responsibility.. which is what your healthcare and your well being fall under

picking and choosing statistics? what the hell are you doing?
gasp!! you're picking and choosing!!!
difference is i use all the data to decide, you dismiss anythng you dont like. you know whats good about having top hospitals? we wont need to put a ton of $ into improving them. now we just need to get it so more people can afford them.

when have i ever bashed america? find me one post where i did that. i want to IMPROVE it. guess thats hard for you to understand.

 

[DiamondDave]

picking and choosing statistics? what the hell are you doing?
gasp!! you're picking and choosing!!!
difference is i use all the data to decide, you dismiss anythng you dont like. you know whats good about having top hospitals? we wont need to put a ton of $ into improving them. now we just need to get it so more people can afford them.

when have i ever bashed america? find me one post where i did that. i want to IMPROVE it. guess thats hard for you to understand.

Here you go with your socialist talk... WE NEED to take form someone else so someone else can afford something that is their own personal responsibility.. wealth redistribution....

What good are the top hospitals? To keep them at the top. To have them there for use. Not to let them slack behind and reduce progresses that they make for your socialist agenda... socialism is NOT improvement....

You do not use all the data to decide.. you only use the data to push your agenda....

Fact: Socialist systems cover more people
Fact: Other countries have more hospital beds
Fact: Our hospitals are tops in the world
Fact: Our medical professionals are the best in the world
Fact: Our advances in treatment are the best in the world
Fact: You are not entitled to the fruits of another's efforts in a free society
Fact: You are the one responsible for your own well being
Fact: Unless you are a vegetable or extremely handicapped to the point where you cannot take care of yourself (notice I did not say WILL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF), you are considered capable
Fact: Any capable person has the right to succeed AND the right to fail in this country, and all the consequences that come with those freedoms
Fact: If you do not make the proper choices and your well being is effected, that is your responsibility and not someone else's
Fact: Charities exist to help those who deserve it and are seeking help
Fact: The WHO 'rankings' are also selectively skewed by selective data

There are many facts... even more than these... not just those that point toward a socialist control solution

 

[busara]

Here you go with your socialist talk... WE NEED to take form someone else so someone else can afford something that is their own personal responsibility.. wealth redistribution....

What good are the top hospitals? To keep them at the top. To have them there for use. Not to let them slack behind and reduce progresses that they make for your socialist agenda... socialism is NOT improvement....

You do not use all the data to decide.. you only use the data to push your agenda....

Fact: Socialist systems cover more people
Fact: Other countries have more hospital beds
Fact: Our hospitals are tops in the world
Fact: Our medical professionals are the best in the world
Fact: Our advances in treatment are the best in the world
Fact: You are not entitled to the fruits of another's efforts in a free society
Fact: You are the one responsible for your own well being
Fact: Unless you are a vegetable or extremely handicapped to the point where you cannot take care of yourself (notice I did not say WILL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF), you are considered capable
Fact: Any capable person has the right to succeed AND the right to fail in this country, and all the consequences that come with those freedoms
Fact: If you do not make the proper choices and your well being is effected, that is your responsibility and not someone else's
Fact: Charities exist to help those who deserve it and are seeking help
Fact: The WHO 'rankings' are also selectively skewed by selective data

There are many facts... even more than these... not just those that point toward a socialist control solution

lets see here, i said "make it so more people can afford them." is it possible to accomplish that without the govt running the entire system? you bet your ass it is. sorry to burst your bubble there, but i'm not the one advocating a socialistic system. i want it to be more efficient and therefore cheaper.

 

[Chris]

Here you go with your socialist talk... WE NEED to take form someone else so someone else can afford something that is their own personal responsibility.. wealth redistribution....

What good are the top hospitals? To keep them at the top. To have them there for use. Not to let them slack behind and reduce progresses that they make for your socialist agenda... socialism is NOT improvement....

You do not use all the data to decide.. you only use the data to push your agenda....

Fact: Socialist systems cover more people
Fact: Other countries have more hospital beds
Fact: Our hospitals are tops in the world
Fact: Our medical professionals are the best in the world
Fact: Our advances in treatment are the best in the world
Fact: You are not entitled to the fruits of another's efforts in a free society
Fact: You are the one responsible for your own well being
Fact: Unless you are a vegetable or extremely handicapped to the point where you cannot take care of yourself (notice I did not say WILL TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF), you are considered capable
Fact: Any capable person has the right to succeed AND the right to fail in this country, and all the consequences that come with those freedoms
Fact: If you do not make the proper choices and your well being is effected, that is your responsibility and not someone else's
Fact: Charities exist to help those who deserve it and are seeking help
Fact: The WHO 'rankings' are also selectively skewed by selective data

There are many facts... even more than these... not just those that point toward a socialist control solution

lies, lies, lies......

First of all a single payer system is not socialism. The doctors still own their practices etc.....

Secondly taking care of the sick is the right thing to do, and the experience of all the other Western countries shows that a single payer system is the best way to do it.

 

[Care4all]

Because it is not the responsibility of government to do that for you.... it is not mommy government to set up and take control of the healthcare industry in any way... just as it is not the job of mommy government to select you a wife... or to ensure you have shoes... or to do anything else that is within the realm of your personal responsibility....

GOVERNMENT IS NOT A HEALTHCARE AGENCY AND IT IS NOT YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY... and it also is not in any way Robin Hood and Friar Tuck to steal from the rich to give to the poor... government is there to protect us as a whole (AKA as a populace), ensure our freedoms, set and enforce laws....

Ones like you and your ilk have to learn that the only one responsible for you is you...

government actions and inactions HAVE CAUSED the health care system to become out of reach for the average family in the usa....it is not the working hard, paying taxes, joe's fault.....

to ignore the moves our gvt has taken, has done to make healthcare unaffordable on our own as individuals is being blind to reality though and will not help us solve the problem of unaffordable individual health care!!!!

care

 

[gonegolfin]

Still, Bush turned Clinton's "surplus" into a deficit.

Even with Bush's fuzzy math, he could never claim to have a Surplus.

Just compare the two and decide for yourself. Heck, even take out the Iraq and Afgan spending and still Clinton beat Bush like a red headed stepchild.

My comment was not pertaining to what Bush and the Congress during Bush's terms have done w/respect to spending. As far as I am concerned, Bush is not a conservative and I do not support many of his spending policies. And I certainly do not support the ridiculous socialistic housing bill that was just approved by the legislative branch and finally signed by the President. A bill that was supported by all of the democrats in the House except three (227 in favor, 3 against), while at least the majority of republicans had some fiscal sense as 149 rejected the bill (45 in favor, 149 against). The total tally was 272-152 in favor. Meanwhile in the Senate ... not a single democrat opposed the measure while 43 were in favor. Thirteen republicans had the fiscal sense to oppose the bill while 27 approved the measure. The total tally was 72-13 in favor.

My original comment was pertaining to the lie (which I recently saw on this board) that Clinton presided over a budget surplus during his terms in his office. He did not preside over a single budget surplus when in office.

Brian