200 congressMEN were treated with Ivermectin.

[Care4all]

Even with seasonal shots, we're never going to get the mix just right to end covid in anythign approaching the way we ended measles

Clearly is not going to happen

Yes each flu shot they have a chance to end influenza too, hasn't happened yet. Don't hold your breathe, you'll die.

They couldn't even justify* bringing a cold vaccine to market pre 2020. That's how hard it is. It's not going to happen. We are not going to vax our way out of this. As we knew in 2019. Was never on the table to anyone sane. And again even if they could. Animal reservoirs would ruin it and we would have this problem again sooner or later.

edit - and that shingles vax is a joke. Every old man i've ever met who got it...Got shingles right after lol

Not a huge sample size but still. **** that shingles vax i'll take my chances

The hope is covid becomes endemic, instead of pandemic.

Covid will likely persist,

but from community immunity... between those vaccinated and those already infected and recovered....we can reduce yearly deaths from 500,000 a year, to something similar to the influenza virus, less than 50,000 deaths a year.

That's good enough, to bring us nearly back to normal living....!

This is what we all want!

 

[danielpalos]

Does this booster requirement to be fully vaxxed mean we are a nation of unvaxxed heathens again? Or will the lying government just carry over the newly minted heathens presuming they will get the booster? My guess this administration will lie and pretend they are inching closer to the goal they never achieved to begin with.

Coming from right-wingers who allege we need the cost of a drug war, not very convincing.

 

[Juicin]

The hope is covid becomes endemic, instead of pandemic.

Covid will likely persist,

but from community immunity... between those vaccinated and those already infected and recovered....we can reduce yearly deaths from 500,000 a year, to something similar to the influenza virus, less than 50,000 deaths a year.

That's good enough, to bring us nearly back to normal living....!

This is what we all want!

The question is at what line do we even change our behavior at all as people not at risk.....?

You say that like we aren't in control of when we go back to normal, not covid. We are most certainly in control of when that happens.

In my view beyond the very early surges in NY these shut downs were crazy. We never even filled up hospitals in NY, never tapped into our massive military capacity to provide healthcare either. As soon as it became clear our health infrastructure was in fact not going to collapse we should have just treated it as endemic and moved on.

~50% of the country is not at risk at all

 

[Lesh]

The question is at what line do we even change our behavior at all as people not at risk.....?

You say that like we aren't in control of when we go back to normal, not covid. We are most certainly in control of when that happens.

In my view beyond the very early surges in NY these shut downs were crazy. We never even filled up hospitals in NY, never tapped into our massive military capacity to provide healthcare either. As soon as it became clear our health infrastructure was in fact not going to collapse we should have just treated it as endemic and moved on.

~50% of the country is not at risk at all

Roidboi is nuts.

Please do not listen to people like him

 

[flacaltenn]

Yeah...thanks for pointing out that the same stuff you keep touting as miracle cures treat symptoms but not the virus.

Can't thank you enough for blowing your own argument out of the water.

WHOOOSHHHH.. That's the sound of science passing between your ears.. I can dumb all that down to a lower grade level for ya.. Since you STILL don't know the distinction between prophylactic and therapeutic.. Suggest you not think of condoms for the former and look up the pharmacological definitions.

HINT: got nutting to do with "symptoms"...

 

[flacaltenn]

Can't thank you enough for blowing your own argument out of the water.

No M'aam.. THANK YOU for demonstrating WHY "Public Health" mandaters and punishers HAVE to talk to the public on a 4th grade level and sometimes butcher or ignore science to do their work --- while I will always stick with the ACTUAL HARDER JOB of understanding the science and the statistics..

 

[flacaltenn]

FYI- You can get a note from your doctor, giving a medical exemption, because you have had covid and have developed antibodies, in a mandate situation.

Bullshit. Cities NOW FIRING those "essential heros" in their police/fire depts offer NO exemption for natural immunity.. Estimates are that in NYC for example -- 60% to 70% of NYFDept front line including EMTs CONTRACTED covid before there was ever a vaccine option..

That's as ANTI-SCIENCE as you can get.. Because, as I've been saying, PUBLIC HEALTH messaging and mandates are NOT ABOUT science. They are aimed at SIMPLE and understandable compliance..

Just on the principles of releasing your MEDICAL RECORDS to your employer to PROVE you were treated for Covid is problematic for medical privacy. Not to mention more than 1/2 of those able-bodied people SOUGHT NO medical treatment when caught CVid working as heroes..

NO one on the planet can make HEROES into ZEROES as fast as your mean-spirited, addled brain president and administration..

 

[candycorn]

WHOOOSHHHH.. That's the sound of science passing between your ears.. I can dumb all that down to a lower grade level for ya.. Since you STILL don't know the distinction between prophylactic and therapeutic.. Suggest you not think of condoms for the former and look up the pharmacological definitions.

HINT: got nutting to do with "symptoms"...

When the anti-vax defiant freedom loving "manly" men get sick...they are given actual anti-viral medication when they see a real doctor. Go figure.

More anger and profanity please...it makes me giggle.

 

[Care4all]

Bullshit. Cities NOW FIRING those "essential heros" in their police/fire depts offer NO exemption for natural immunity.. Estimates are that in NYC for example -- 60% to 70% of NYFDept front line including EMTs CONTRACTED covid before there was ever a vaccine option..

That's as ANTI-SCIENCE as you can get.. Because, as I've been saying, PUBLIC HEALTH messaging and mandates are NOT ABOUT science. They are aimed at SIMPLE and understandable compliance..

Just on the principles of releasing your MEDICAL RECORDS to your employer to PROVE you were treated for Covid is problematic for medical privacy. Not to mention more than 1/2 of those able-bodied people SOUGHT NO medical treatment when caught CVid working as heroes..

NO one on the planet can make HEROES into ZEROES as fast as your mean-spirited, addled brain president and administration..

There are medical exemptions, as part of the mandates. In any of those cases, wouldn't the worker have to show a Doctor's note for the exemption, and not have to show all of their private medical records?

I'm not certain about New York City cops..... that is not a federal mandate, but the city's own mandate.

I have read that on the federal mandate for businesses with over 100 workers, that medical and religious exemptions are an option, along with an exception to just get tested weekly instead of getting vaxed.

Any doctor that understands simple science and follows COVID19 research and trials, would know that their patient who had contracted Covid, has developed antibodies against the virus, and can even run lab tests to confirm such, an exception is medically warranted.

I have read that medical exemptions for such by their doctors, are being accepted by employers.

The information on how long these antibodies last in ex covid people came out after they had planned the mandate..... from Israel's study, then a few weeks following, other nation studies showed the same thing....the most recent study, shows their antibodies waning at around 16 months....

Granted, getting the vaccine only enhances their antibodies...makes them more robust....and for expediency and simplicity, it was easier to just make it vaxxed vs unvaxxed....and that has actually caused more complication vs simplicity.... The KISS Method, didn't work. Live and learn.

 

[flacaltenn]

There are medical exemptions, as part of the mandates. In any of those cases, wouldn't the worker have to show a Doctor's note for the exemption, and not have to show all of their private medical records?

I'm not certain about New York City cops..... that is not a federal mandate, but the city's own mandate.

What you're stuck on is that BEFORE the aged tyrant you call a President sent the Administration into mandate and punishment mode -- CORPORATIONS all had reasonable "exemptions and work-arounds. When Brandon decided he finally LIKED and had the power (he doesn't and still hasn't issued a mandate order) -- all logic and reason and science was damned to hell.

His gambit (which is gonna fail in the courts but not soon enough) is to use OSHA to issue the mandate rules to corporations as they have been dictated by the tyrants in charge of Administration.. Even WITHOUT the paperwork - the large corporations are following the NO exemptions guidelines that they EXPECT to be issued.

And REALLY -- this is the lemming way that corporations get to cover their asses. Because no ONE corporation could MANDATE vaxxing, without attritrion and loss of competitive edge -- a FEDERAL mandate -- is just an excuse for corporate brass to avoid taking the blame for a decision like that.

All city, state, Federal workers are just shit out of luck because the local power whore chieftains are making the rules and punishments and demonization amplified as part of the POWER TRIPPING of guys like Big Bird DeBlasio and the Woke governor crowd.. While DeSantos is acting like an Administrator with a can-do attitude and offering $5K bonuses TO HIRE all the FIRED police, firefighters, EMT that Chicago, NY, California are gonna boot out and LOSE THEIR ******* benefits..

It's SO damn cruel and unreasonable, that the Navy Seal teams are gonna lose MOST of their members and the JACKASSES you call Democrats are threatening to make them REPAY their training costs..

Hell on Earth -- seems to be what your dying and rudderless party WANTS to create. GO for it.. Let's Go Brandon..,

 

[Dragonlady]

Amazing! thank you for posting OP!

I hope this is wake up call those poor sheeple who believe that to be vaxx is the be all and end all in life.

You're promoting a horse wormer as a treatment for covid, because someone on the internet told you it worked, and you're the one calling those of us who got a scientifically proven vaccine "sheep". This is why the rest of the world is laughing at Americans.

 

[Dragonlady]

What you're stuck on is that BEFORE the aged tyrant you call a President sent the Administration into mandate and punishment mode -- CORPORATIONS all had reasonable "exemptions and work-arounds. When Brandon decided he finally LIKED and had the power (he doesn't and still hasn't issued a mandate order) -- all logic and reason and science was damned to hell.

His gambit (which is gonna fail in the courts but not soon enough) is to use OSHA to issue the mandate rules to corporations as they have been dictated by the tyrants in charge of Administration.. Even WITHOUT the paperwork - the large corporations are following the NO exemptions guidelines that they EXPECT to be issued.

And REALLY -- this is the lemming way that corporations get to cover their asses. Because no ONE corporation could MANDATE vaxxing, without attritrion and loss of competitive edge -- a FEDERAL mandate -- is just an excuse for corporate brass to avoid taking the blame for a decision like that.

All city, state, Federal workers are just shit out of luck because the local power whore chieftains are making the rules and punishments and demonization amplified as part of the POWER TRIPPING of guys like Big Bird DeBlasio and the Woke governor crowd.. While DeSantos is acting like an Administrator with a can-do attitude and offering $5K bonuses TO HIRE all the FIRED police, firefighters, EMT that Chicago, NY, California are gonna boot out and LOSE THEIR ******* benefits..

It's SO damn cruel and unreasonable, that the Navy Seal teams are gonna lose MOST of their members and the JACKASSES you call Democrats are threatening to make them REPAY their training costs..

Hell on Earth -- seems to be what your dying and rudderless party WANTS to create. GO for it.. Let's Go Brandon..,

So much outrage and drama. Good lord, how childish and stupid can you be????

Get the shot and get on with life. Or don't. Just shut the **** up about it, and don't complain when you can't go anywhere.

 

[flacaltenn]

I have read that medical exemptions for such by their doctors, are being accepted by employers.

The information on how long these antibodies last in ex covid people came out after they had planned the mandate..... from Israel's study, then a few weeks following, other nation studies showed the same thing....the most recent study, shows their antibodies waning at around 16 months....

Most of those studies are flawed BECAUSE the body keeps the "long term memory" of immunity in the bone marrow.. NOT THE bloodstream.. It's not really ethical to go doing bone marrow draws on thousands of people. So there are only a few SMALL studies (about 40 to 80 patient range) that have DONE THIS RIGHT..

The blood antibody tests SHOULD wane after 6 to 9 months, because the "memory" isn't KEPT circulating through the blood.. And when you look at the bone marrow studies -- they have found ROBUST evidence of LONG TERM immunity to CVid infections..

If you're science adaptable and have been following this --

Had COVID? You’ll probably make antibodies for a lifetime

People who recover from mild COVID-19 have bone-marrow cells that can churn out antibodies for decades, although viral variants could dampen some of the protection they offer.

www.nature.com

Good news: Mild COVID-19 induces lasting antibody protection | WashU Medicine

People who have had mild illness develop antibody-producing cells that can last lifetime

medicine.wustl.edu

LONG LASTING and BETTER IMMUNITY than the CVid vaccines.. No doubt at all if you're science literate and following along..

And corporations are largely NOT making exceptions for natural immunity because they fear persecution from the Federal mandates NOW that rule out this exemption.. Besides, the govt could force them to renege on the more scientific and friendly rules that they were using prior than Biden going all gonzo on wanting to HURT and DEMEAN folks in nasty ways that have legitimate concerns about natural immunity, pregnancies, and their CHILDREN (which have NOT been actually fully clinically trialed, but the Brandon Administration doesn't give a ****..)

 

[flacaltenn]

Granted, getting the vaccine only enhances their antibodies...makes them more robust....

Not clear from the science.. Since the "natural immunity" of people getting the jab WAS NOT INCLUDED in the data taken from the sites. Too much paperwork.. Can't be studied ever because of this..

But THEORETICALLY -- there are valid concerns from renown experts that the vax could confuse and possibly cause an OVER-reaction to an intense covid infection in folks with natural immunity. Since the NATURAL antibodies were built with the WHOLE virus and the Vax was built only with mRNA from small portions of the little sucker spikes of the virus..

 

[Care4all]

What you're stuck on is that BEFORE the aged tyrant you call a President sent the Administration into mandate and punishment mode -- CORPORATIONS all had reasonable "exemptions and work-arounds. When Brandon decided he finally LIKED and had the power (he doesn't and still hasn't issued a mandate order) -- all logic and reason and science was damned to hell.

His gambit (which is gonna fail in the courts but not soon enough) is to use OSHA to issue the mandate rules to corporations as they have been dictated by the tyrants in charge of Administration.. Even WITHOUT the paperwork - the large corporations are following the NO exemptions guidelines that they EXPECT to be issued.

And REALLY -- this is the lemming way that corporations get to cover their asses. Because no ONE corporation could MANDATE vaxxing, without attritrion and loss of competitive edge -- a FEDERAL mandate -- is just an excuse for corporate brass to avoid taking the blame for a decision like that.

All city, state, Federal workers are just shit out of luck because the local power whore chieftains are making the rules and punishments and demonization amplified as part of the POWER TRIPPING of guys like Big Bird DeBlasio and the Woke governor crowd.. While DeSantos is acting like an Administrator with a can-do attitude and offering $5K bonuses TO HIRE all the FIRED police, firefighters, EMT that Chicago, NY, California are gonna boot out and LOSE THEIR ******* benefits..

It's SO damn cruel and unreasonable, that the Navy Seal teams are gonna lose MOST of their members and the JACKASSES you call Democrats are threatening to make them REPAY their training costs..

Hell on Earth -- seems to be what your dying and rudderless party WANTS to create. GO for it.. Let's Go Brandon..,

Wow! You've gone off the deep end of hatred Flacal.... Stay away from your right wing hate media for two weeks, and come back to earth, from the abyss!!!

 

[flacaltenn]

Wow! You've gone off the deep end of hatred Flacal.... Stay away from your right wing hate media for two weeks, and come back to earth, from the abyss!!!

What I HATE is the political destruction of science and the mean-spiritedness from your party when they are in power..

Dont understand HOW you can ignore the anti-science "vaxxed versus unvaxxed" messaging when you KNOW it really the "immune versus the not immune".. YOUR PARTY is the hateful ones here. AND vindictive. Making heroes into zeroes after they FOUGHT the front lines on Covid.. MOST of them having CONTRACTED covid and getting their "purple heart" immunity.

AND NOW -- you are making them UNEMPLOYABLE because your brain deficit leadership WILL NOT RECOGNIZE SCIENCE and FLOGS them to death about being killers and ignorant misfits.. Most of these folks are on the high ground when it comes to being angry about ignoring science and ignoring the concerns about pregnancy and the misinformation on the Covid dangers to kids..

Terry McCallough just spread TONS of misinformation about Covid and kids THIS WEEK.. Was quoting numbers on child death and hospitalizations that were INFLATED BY an order of magnitude... And you're NOT MAD about that??

YEAH -- I'm furious.. Whenever science becomes a political weapon -- whether HERE in this case or in the case of gender madness or Global Warming as well.. Makes for the millieu of living in the Soviet Union look good..

 

[flacaltenn]

Care4all

Even the woking dead WashPo is a bit outraged by this mangling of Covid facts by McCaullough who DESPERATELY needs power...

You partisan shills PUSH AND PUSH until "regular people" and even some of their battalion can't take the lying and destruction of public confidence any more..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/10/26/terry-mcauliffe-keeps-inflating-coronavirus-numbers/

By Glenn Kessler
The Fact Checker
October 26, 2021 at 3:00 a.m. EDT


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“Just this week, 8,000 cases on Monday in Virginia. We in Virginia today, 1,142 children are in ICU beds.”
— Former governor Terry McAuliffe, interview on WAVY, Oct. 7
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“Today, 1,100 children are in hospitals here in Virginia.”
— McAuliffe, interview with WJLA, Oct. 13
“We just had 4,000 cases yesterday here in the Commonwealth of Virginia. … We’ve just 1,142 children in serious, in hospitals, in ICU beds.”

And what about McAuliffe’s Oct. 7 comment that 1,142 children were in ICU beds? That number seemed totally off-kilter. (For the week ended Oct. 2, the number of children in hospitals, not necessarily in intensive care, was just 35.)

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If you're NOT angry about politicizing science AND a continuing health emergency to GET AND KEEP political power -- You're sicker than I am baby... It's YOU that needs to get "unwoke"..

 

[Care4all]

What I HATE is the political destruction of science and the mean-spiritedness from your party when they are in power..

Dont understand HOW you can ignore the anti-science "vaxxed versus unvaxxed" messaging when you KNOW it really the "immune versus the not immune".. YOUR PARTY is the hateful ones here. AND vindictive. Making heroes into zeroes after they FOUGHT the front lines on Covid.. MOST of them having CONTRACTED covid and getting their "purple heart" immunity.

AND NOW -- you are making them UNEMPLOYABLE because your brain deficit leadership WILL NOT RECOGNIZE SCIENCE and FLOGS them to death about being killers and ignorant misfits.. Most of these folks are on the high ground when it comes to being angry about ignoring science and ignoring the concerns about pregnancy and the misinformation on the Covid dangers to kids..

Terry McCallough just spread TONS of misinformation about Covid and kids THIS WEEK.. Was quoting numbers on child death and hospitalizations that were INFLATED BY an order of magnitude... And you're NOT MAD about that??

YEAH -- I'm furious.. Whenever science becomes a political weapon -- whether HERE in this case or in the case of gender madness or Global Warming as well.. Makes for the millieu of living in the Soviet Union look good..

Terry is a nobody, like all other governors that lie about covid results, and the lies are told in BOTH directions....from it's a nothing burger to it's the final plague.

What bothers me, is that mandates were needed in the first place, because of all the misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation politically being spread about the vaccines on the internet and Fox News. Why even let the fact that one has caught covid and has antibodies get in the way of getting the vaccine when allegedly, the science shows it improves your antibodies in to being more robust....which can prolong your immunity period?


This is ALL politics, that is making you so so so so upset. If Trump were still president, and had the same vaccination request, all of you would have gotten the shot.... asap....again, imo.

No one is asking you to do something bad, or wrong, or unethical or dangerous..... Its quite the opposite.....

And nope on losing the Navy Seals, 98% are vaccinated already, it said on the news this morning...

I don't like that Biden had to issue mandates for the employers thus employees, and through OSHA....so employers could demand from employees what they already wanted....and the employers could have the easy way out, by blaming govt.... But. IT IS NOT the end of the world, or democracy, or our Nation....you win some, you lose some.... that's life.

As far as military, I have no issue with mandated shots....as a military brat, transferring with dad from country to country, it has always been part of a routine for me....I have a shot book, several of them, as high as the empire state building from all the vaccines I've been forced to get.... So maybe that's why I can't figure out what all the fuss is about....

 

[flacaltenn]

Terry is a nobody, like all other governors that lie about covid results, and the lies are told in BOTH directions....from it's a nothing burger to it's the final plague.

He's not a nobody.. He's BEEN governor of Virginia.. But he is a prime example of how Democrats are getting away with being prime sources of "misinformation" that endangers society.. And he's probably the most desperate for power ignoramus who has ever held high office..

Even the WASHPO couldn't take the lies.. They hit him AGAIN when he lies about VA. education dept not endorsing CRT.. And he's running to replace a governor who SURVIVED a "blackface" cancelation ONLY because he's a Democrat as well..

 

[flacaltenn]

What bothers me, is that mandates were needed in the first place, because of all the misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation politically being spread about the vaccines on the internet and Fox News.

Why was a vaccine mandate "necessary"? If rates of vax are in the 70% and you actually ENDORSE SCIENCE and add the other 15 to 25% of the folks who are resisting MANDATES because they are NATURALLY IMMUNE -- we're WAAAY past herd immunity by ANY measure.. Even the sick Fauci who's "immunity" goalposts are constantly moving further away..

This is insane to NOT allow automatic exemptions for natural immunity and put entire MAJOR AMERICAN CITIES in jeopardy of lawlessness and chaos by FLOGGING public employees hold-outs to get the shots..

I'm not getting a third or a booster in SYMPATHY for them. Because I ABHOR the arrogance and tyrannical methods that DEMOCRATS cynically FORCE on people without listening to SCIENCE.. Or -- in McCallough's case -- PURPOSELY using phony numbers to get CHILDREN vaccinated..