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[Chuz Life]

Doesn't refute what I said in any way.

What you've seen for decades now is that "living constitution" thing, that "conservatives" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) generally decry, except when it's convenient for them to get amnesia...Like right now.

I'm sorry you are having so much trouble with your acceptance.

Maybe you can show me on this doll where it hurts the most?

 

[TNHarley]

Doesn't refute what I said in any way.

What you've seen for decades now is that "living constitution" thing, that "conservatives" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) generally decry, except when it's convenient for them to get amnesia...Like right now.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Because they made shit up.
The constitution is very clear who has war authority.

It is also very clear who is the Command in Chief of the Armed forces\
An act of war is not inherently n declaration of war, and so, while only Congress can declare war, nothing in the constitution precludes the President from committing an act of war.

Consider too that a declaration of war -- that is, the creation of a state of war between the US and (x) - takes the gloves off -- the President suddenly has no limits on what he can do, and how long he can continue doing it.

 

[TNHarley]

It is also very clear who is the Command in Chief of the Armed forces\
An act of war is not inherently n declaration of war, and so, while only Congress can declare war, nothing in the constitution precludes the President from committing an act of war.

Consider too that a declaration of war -- that is, the creation of a state of war between the US and (x) - takes the gloves off -- the President suddenly has no limits on what he can do, and how long he can continue doing it.

Good lord

 

[M14 Shooter]

Good lord

Best you can do?

 

[22lcidw]

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[TNHarley]

Best you can do?

Did you read what you wrote?
What else did you expect for that retarded shit?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Did you read what you wrote?
What else did you expect for that retarded shit?

In other words, you know you have no meaningful response.
Thanks.

 

[TNHarley]

In other words, you know you have no meaningful response.
Thanks.

Dude, you implied that that the constitution only meant the government makes an announcement of war. A president can just attack whoever he wants. Which, of course, is bullshit.
We have the founders intent recorded. We dont need your retarded boomer shit explaining it away.

 

[berg80]

Dude, you implied that that the constitution only meant the government makes an announcement of war. A president can just attack whoever he wants. Which, of course, is bullshit.
We have the founders intent recorded. We dont need your retarded boomer shit explaining it away.

Which R do you think should take to the floor of the House or Senate and make the case trump should be able to conduct the Iran war as he sees fit because previous Congresses have shirked their constitutional obligation to reign in past prez's?

 

[M14 Shooter]

Dude, you implied that that the constitution only meant the government makes an announcement of war. A president can just attack whoever he wants. Which, of course, is bullshit.

Is an act of war inherently a declaration of an international state of war?
No?
Then I am right.

 

[TNHarley]

Is an act of war inherently a declaration of an international national state of war?
No?
Then I am right.

I remember reading about Reagans war mongers using this retarded shit to justify his many military actions.

"The Congress shall have power to declare War;" the plain meaning of which is that, it is the peculiar and exclusive province of Congress, when the nation is at peace, to change that state into a state of war; whether from calculations of policy or from provocations or injuries received: in other words, it belongs to Congress only, to go to War."

Thats an actual founder. Not some retarded boomer on USMB.

 

[TNHarley]

Which R do you think should take to the floor of the House or Senate and make the case trump should be able to conduct the Iran war as he sees fit because previous Congresses have shirked their constitutional obligation to reign in past prez's?

IDK but im sure some will.

 

[M14 Shooter]

I remember reading...

You avoided my question:
Is an act of war inherently a declaration of an international state of war?

 

[TNHarley]

You avoided my question.
Is an act of war inherently a declaration of an international national state of war?

LOL why wouldnt you skip the quote from a founder putting your retardedness to the dust bin of warmongers?

 

[TNHarley]

And Clinton did not go to war with Iraq - he just just conducted missile and airstrikes.

That was him being sarcastic. Wonder what happened to him?
LOL JK I know what happened. The same thing that happened to most people. A letter by someones name.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

LOL why wouldnt you skip the quote from a founder putting your retardedness to the dust bin of warmongers?

Did Thomas Jefferson get Congressional declaration of war to fight the Barbary pirates in the beginning? No, but Congress did authorize it at a later date

 

[Lesh]

The President didn't need congressional approval to take out the leadership of Iran when the opportunity presented itself.

That’s an act of war. That’s the purview of Congress

Not Dear Leader

 

[TNHarley]

Did Thomas Jefferson get Congressional declaration of war to fight the Barbary pirates in the beginning? No, but Congress did authorize it at a later date

Tripoli already declared war on us.

 

[YoursTruly]

That was the last time Congress wrote a declaration of war. NINETEEN FOURTY TWO.
How many wars have we been involved with since? You people only ***** about "mUh cOnGrEsS" when its the "other side" doing the crap.
You are all so disingenuous it is nauseating.

The Last Formal Declaration of War - JSTOR Daily

The last time Congress formally declared war was in World War II.

daily.jstor.org

Delegation of powers is not in the constitution. Anywhere. Jefferson spoke of it, but he was also referring to non legislative power. Guess what declarations of war is?
You guys don't really care about the constitution. At all.
Real liberalism is dead.
Real conservatism is dead.
Neoconservatism is alive and well.

Trump supporters don't care if this goes against our constitution. Or dismantles our constitutional republic.

They only care about Trump and anything that makes him look like a bad ass.