19.5% of America is on Welfare?

[progressive hunter]

Lies. Stop watching Fox News it’s making you dumb.

lets see,,
our poor have air conditioning,, refrigerators,, cars, cell phones and a whole list of other things the majority of the world only dream about,,

 

[progressive hunter]

That are a lot of Americans who haven't gotten their trickle down wealth yet. I wonder what the holdup is.

gotta work for it,, I got mine,,

 

[gipper]

lets see,,
our poor have air conditioning,, refrigerators,, cars, cell phones and a whole list of other things the majority of the world only dream about,,

Yeah we know you’d be happy with the poor dying in the streets. You’d just ignore them.

 

[gipper]

gotta work for it,, I got mine,,

You got yours. That’s all that matters to you.

 

[progressive hunter]

Oh bull shit. You obviously know nothing about growing up poor in this country.

I love it when someone is losing a debate and they throw something out there thats persoanl and cant be proven in either direction,,

its almost like a surrender,,

 

[progressive hunter]

Yeah we know you’d be happy with the poor dying in the streets. You’d just ignore them.

are you surrendering or just having a mental breakdown??

 

[gipper]

I love it when someone is losing a debate and they throw something out there thats persoanl and cant be proven in either direction,,

its almost like a surrender,,

Wrong again.

 

[progressive hunter]

You got yours. That’s all that matters to you.

well I did start a business and employed dozens if not hundreds of people over the yrs,, does that count as paying it forward??

 

[progressive hunter]

Wrong again.

not from where I am sitting,,

how do I prove you wrong or right??

 

[gipper]

well I did start a business and employed dozens if not hundreds of people over the yrs,, does that count as paying it forward??

Lol. Personal?

No one gives a fuck.

You were probably born on third base thinking you did it all on your own. Lol.

 

[progressive hunter]

Lol. Personal?

No one gives a fuck.

You were probably born on third base thinking you did it all on your own. Lol.

sure sounds like you care a lot and why you keep making it personal,,,

 

[surada]

lets see,,
our poor have air conditioning,, refrigerators,, cars, cell phones and a whole list of other things the majority of the world only dream about,,

Have you been anywhere in the world?

 

[initforme]

Well give them a good paying job and if they blow it that's on them. But 40 grand DOES NOT...does not qualify as a good paying job. That's a joke. Not ANYTHING to work hard at.

 

[SweetTea]

In the UK it is the same. The reason is that wages are too low and that people in work cant survive on their wages.
In effect it is a handout for shit employers.

The UK is a disaster as is most of Europe. The poorest Americans are richer than most Europeans. The average neurosurgeon working for NHS only makes 95k/yr. The average physician far less. Imagine just how poor the quality must be with that type of pay for that much education. Pitiful. The best and brightest do something else. Stop using Europe as a model. They are on the way down. They should be following our model, not the reverse that Democrats are always pushing.

Instead of maligning the United States, the Times could have covered this issue in a way that would help people around the world improve their material well-being by replicating what makes the US so successful. However, that would require conveying the following facts, many of which the Times has previously misreported:

• High energy prices, like those caused by ambitious “green energy” programs in Europe, depress living standards, especially for the poor.
• High tax rates reduce incentives to work, save, and invest, and these can have widespread harmful effects.
• Abundant social programs can reduce market income through multiple mechanisms—and as explained by President Obama’s former chief economist Lawrence Summers, “government assistance programs” provide people with “an incentive, and the means, not to work.”
• The overall productivity of each nation trickles down to the poor, and this is partly why McDonald’s workers in the US have more real purchasing power than in Europe and six times more than in Latin America, even though these workers perform the same jobs with the same technology.
• Family disintegration driven by changing attitudes toward sex, marital fidelity, and familial responsibility has strong, negative impacts on household income.
• In direct contradiction to the Times, a wealth of data suggests that aggressive government regulations harm economies.

The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most European Nations | James D. Agresti

 

[gipper]

Well give them a good paying job and if they blow it that's on them. But 40 grand DOES NOT...does not qualify as a good paying job. That's a joke. Not ANYTHING to work hard at.

If this is still true, is it any wonder most Americans are in debt and couldn’t pay for a $1,000 emergency?

Half of American Workers Made Less Than $35,000 in 2019, Report Shows​

Half of American Workers Made Less Than $35,000 in 2019, Report Shows

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The UK is a disaster as is most of Europe. The poorest Americans are richer than most Europeans. The average neurosurgeon working for NHS only makes 95k/yr. The average physician far less. Imagine just how poor the quality must be with that type of pay for that much education. Pitiful. The best and brightest do something else. Stop using Europe as a model. They are on the way down. They should be following our model, not the reverse that Democrats are always pushing.

Instead of maligning the United States, the Times could have covered this issue in a way that would help people around the world improve their material well-being by replicating what makes the US so successful. However, that would require conveying the following facts, many of which the Times has previously misreported:

• High energy prices, like those caused by ambitious “green energy” programs in Europe, depress living standards, especially for the poor.
• High tax rates reduce incentives to work, save, and invest, and these can have widespread harmful effects.
• Abundant social programs can reduce market income through multiple mechanisms—and as explained by President Obama’s former chief economist Lawrence Summers, “government assistance programs” provide people with “an incentive, and the means, not to work.”
• The overall productivity of each nation trickles down to the poor, and this is partly why McDonald’s workers in the US have more real purchasing power than in Europe and six times more than in Latin America, even though these workers perform the same jobs with the same technology.
• Family disintegration driven by changing attitudes toward sex, marital fidelity, and familial responsibility has strong, negative impacts on household income.
• In direct contradiction to the Times, a wealth of data suggests that aggressive government regulations harm economies.

The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than Most European Nations | James D. Agresti

For real ?

 

[progressive hunter]

Well give them a good paying job and if they blow it that's on them. But 40 grand DOES NOT...does not qualify as a good paying job. That's a joke. Not ANYTHING to work hard at.

any job that pays is a good paying job,,,

 

[initforme]

any job that pays is a good paying job,,,

Too funny.

 

[Tom Paine 1949]

I have no problem with the states helping people in their state,,
the feds have no such powers,,

The fed govt doesnt have the constitutional authority to help places. Especially not ones that arent even a state!
In the 19th century Savannah Georgia had a bad fire. Almost the entire city burnt. They reached out to the fed gov for help and you know what the Congress said? They didnt have the authority to help. Helping out cities isnt one of their enumerated powers.
Isnt that something?

All nonsense. The “general welfare” clause in the Constitution preamble is one such sufficient authority. As for the big fire in Savannah in the 19th century, the one I recall occurred in 1865 during the Civil War (no this one was not set by Sherman’s troops!) when Georgia was still in secession and did not even have representatives in Congress: Congress’s reaction was perhaps not very benevolent, but not at all surprising under the circumstances.

Many diverse judicial interpretations of the authority granted the Federal government have arisen and often broadened over time, ever since the Constitution was written — even without explicit Constitutional amendments. This was natural and inevitable as the national economy developed and new needs became apparent — especially after the Civil War, the development of railways, and as a result of experiences with regional natural catastrophes, the suffering caused by economic depression, etc. States themselves often welcomed these developments, as their own resources and tax base were limited.

 

[TNHarley]

All nonsense. The “general welfare” clause in the Constitution preamble is one such sufficient authority. As for the big fire in Savannah in the 19th century, the one I recall occurred in 1865 during the Civil War (no this one was not set by Sherman’s troops!) when Georgia was still in secession and did not even have representatives in Congress: Congress’s reaction was perhaps not very benevolent, but not at all surprising under the circumstances.

Many diverse judicial interpretations of the authority granted the Federal government have arisen and often broadened over time, ever since the Constitution was written — even without explicit Constitutional amendments. This was natural and inevitable as the national economy developed and new needs became apparent — especially after the Civil War, the development of railways, and as a result of experiences with regional natural catastrophes, the suffering caused by economic depression, etc. States themselves often welcomed these developments, as their own resources and tax base were limited.

So if congress thought that killing all the old people was good for the general welfare, they could do it? Of course not, you big govt statist. They can contribute to the general welfare while staying in line of the other enumerated powers.
That clause wasnt an all encompassing power. If it was, they wouldnt have needed a constitution.
James Madison 1792
If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their Own hands; they may a point teachers in every state, county, and parish, and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision for the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress; for every object I have mentioned would admit of the application of money, and might be called, if Congress pleased, provisions for the general welfare.
In short, sir, without going farther into the subject. Which I should not have here touched at all but for the reasons already mentioned, I venture to declare it as my opinion, that, were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited government established by the people of America; and what inferences might be drawn, or what consequences ensue, from such a step, it is incumbent on us all to consider.