1776: Counterrevolution and White Nationalism

[Billiejeens]

"Democracy Now"

is the clear sign that the story will be fake.

What in the story is fake?

Is it the entire premise?
Yes.

 

[georgephillip]

How Slavery Helped Build a World Economy

"Each plantation economy was part of a larger national and international political economy.

"The cotton plantation economy, for instance, is generally seen as part of the regional economy of the American South.

"By the 1830s, 'cotton was king' indeed in the South.

"It was also king in the United States, which was competing for economic leadership in the global political economy.

"Plantation-grown cotton was the foundation of the antebellum southern economy.

But the American financial and shipping industries were also dependent on slave-produced cotton.

"So was the British textile industry.

"Cotton was not shipped directly to Europe from the South.

"Rather, it was shipped to New York and then transshipped to England and other centers of cotton manufacturing in the United States and Europe.

"As the cotton plantation economy expanded throughout the southern region, banks and financial houses in New York supplied the loan capital and/or investment capital to purchase land and slaves."

 

[Tehon]

"Democracy Now"

is the clear sign that the story will be fake.

What in the story is fake?

Is it the entire premise?
Yes.

You don't think Somerset's case gave the colonists the perception that England was moving towards abolition? Can you give a good reason why?

 

[Billiejeens]

How Slavery Helped Build a World Economy

"Each plantation economy was part of a larger national and international political economy.

"The cotton plantation economy, for instance, is generally seen as part of the regional economy of the American South.

"By the 1830s, 'cotton was king' indeed in the South.

"It was also king in the United States, which was competing for economic leadership in the global political economy.

"Plantation-grown cotton was the foundation of the antebellum southern economy.

But the American financial and shipping industries were also dependent on slave-produced cotton.

"So was the British textile industry.

"Cotton was not shipped directly to Europe from the South.

"Rather, it was shipped to New York and then transshipped to England and other centers of cotton manufacturing in the United States and Europe.

"As the cotton plantation economy expanded throughout the southern region, banks and financial houses in New York supplied the loan capital and/or investment capital to purchase land and slaves."

How Slavery Helped Build a World Economy​

Why didn't the hundreds of other countries that benefited from slaves become the world economic power?

 

[georgephillip]

Maybe the dingbat OP should study up on Merry Olde England and indentured servitude

Is indentured servitude as relevant to this thread as the threat of colonial slave insurrection was?

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

"The fact of the matter is, is that Spain had been arming Africans since the 1500s. And indeed, because Spain was arming Africans and then unleashing them on mainland colonies, particularly South Carolina, this put competitive pressure on London to act in a similar fashion.

"The problem there was, is that the mainland settlers had embarked on a project and a model of development that was inconsistent with arming Africans. Indeed, their project was involved in enslaving and manacling every African in sight.

"This deepens the schism between the colonies and the metropolis—that is to say, London—thereby helping to foment a revolt against British rule in 1776."

Indentured servitude was basically slavery you dumbed down loon.

Stop copying and pasting crap nobody reads anyway

Indentured servitude was basically slavery you dumbed down loon.

Stop copying and pasting crap nobody reads anyway

"AMY GOODMAN: So, as we move into the Independence Day weekend next weekend, what do you say to people in the United States?

"GERALD HORNE: What I say to the people in the United States is that you have proved that you can be very critical of what you deem to be revolutionary processes.

"You have a number of scholars and intellectuals who make a good living by critiquing the Cuban Revolution of 1959, by critiquing the Russian Revolution of 1917, by critiquing the French Revolution of the 18th century, but yet we get the impression that what happened in 1776 was all upside, which is rather far-fetched, given what I’ve just laid out before you in terms of how the enslaved African population had their plight worsened by 1776, not to mention the subsequent liquidation of independent Native American polities as a result of 1776.

"I think that we need a more balanced presentation of the foundation of the United States of America, and I think that there’s no sooner place to begin than next week with July 4th, 2014."

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

 

[georgephillip]

"Democracy Now"

is the clear sign that the story will be fake.

Point out any historical inaccuracies in the link.

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

"Well, next weekend, the United States celebrates the Fourth of July, the day the American colonies declared their independence from England in 1776.

"While many Americans will hang flags, participate in parades and watch fireworks, Independence Day is not a cause for celebration for all. For Native Americans, it is yet another bitter reminder of colonialism, which brought fatal diseases, cultural hegemony and full-out genocide.

"Neither did the new republic’s promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness extend to African Americans.

"As our next guest notes, the white colonists who declared their freedom from the crown did not share their newly founded liberation with the millions of Africans they had captured and forced into slavery."

 

[georgephillip]

How Slavery Helped Build a World Economy

"Each plantation economy was part of a larger national and international political economy.

"The cotton plantation economy, for instance, is generally seen as part of the regional economy of the American South.

"By the 1830s, 'cotton was king' indeed in the South.

"It was also king in the United States, which was competing for economic leadership in the global political economy.

"Plantation-grown cotton was the foundation of the antebellum southern economy.

But the American financial and shipping industries were also dependent on slave-produced cotton.

"So was the British textile industry.

"Cotton was not shipped directly to Europe from the South.

"Rather, it was shipped to New York and then transshipped to England and other centers of cotton manufacturing in the United States and Europe.

"As the cotton plantation economy expanded throughout the southern region, banks and financial houses in New York supplied the loan capital and/or investment capital to purchase land and slaves."

How Slavery Helped Build a World Economy​

Why didn't the hundreds of other countries that benefited from slaves become the world economic power?

Why didn't the hundreds of other countries that benefited from slaves become the world economic power?

The US was relatively isolated by two great oceans

We didn't face any serious military threat on the north or south unlike much of the rest of the world. We weren't divided by religion in the same way Europeans were, and we didn't have to deal with domestic hereditary parasites for at least the first two centuries of US History.

I'm not saying US Capitalism didn't produce more private wealth than any other prior economic system, but it did so by using unpaid labor and genocide for its first century of existence.

 

[deannalw]

I googled... he's black.

I hate to burst your little snot bubble but it`s still legal to be black. Congratulations on knowing how to use Google.

How about you kiss my butt, Bubba!

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

How much of the historical events we celebrate today stem from colonial fears that England was about to outlaw slavery?

" We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade."

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

Even if it were a concern it wasn't very high on a list of concerns.

The first anti-British rebellions in the USA were the Pine Tree Riots against British taking American Eastern White Pines, and Prendergast's Rentwar against British lending property laws in New York, not to mention the Boston Tea Party over Taxation over Tea.

The first anti-British rebellions in the USA were the Pine Tree Riots against British taking American Eastern White Pines, and Prendergast's Rentwar against British lending property laws in New York, not to mention the Boston Tea Party over Taxation over Tea.

Chattel slavery exerted a much greater effect on the colonial economy in 1776 than did Eastern White Pines, Prendergast's Rent war, and Boston tea combined.

Chattel Antebellum Manumission Abolitionism Sectionalism The “peculiar institution” (slavery) Secede. - ppt download

I'm calling BS on that , especially considering there were no formal British plans to eliminate slavery in the states at that time.

If anything they colonists were more afraid of becoming oppressed & without say by the British Empire.

 

[August West]

"Democracy Now"

is the clear sign that the story will be fake.

Point out any historical inaccuracies in the link.

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

"Well, next weekend, the United States celebrates the Fourth of July, the day the American colonies declared their independence from England in 1776.

"While many Americans will hang flags, participate in parades and watch fireworks, Independence Day is not a cause for celebration for all. For Native Americans, it is yet another bitter reminder of colonialism, which brought fatal diseases, cultural hegemony and full-out genocide.

"Neither did the new republic’s promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness extend to African Americans.

"As our next guest notes, the white colonists who declared their freedom from the crown did not share their newly founded liberation with the millions of Africans they had captured and forced into slavery."

Some might argue that the war was about the Indian lands and the moneyed interests that wanted to seize and sell them. The proclamation of 1763 banned settling lands west of the Appalachians.

 

[georgephillip]

How much of the historical events we celebrate today stem from colonial fears that England was about to outlaw slavery?

" We should understand that July 4th, 1776, in many ways, represents a counterrevolution.

"That is to say that what helped to prompt July 4th, 1776, was the perception amongst European settlers on the North American mainland that London was moving rapidly towards abolition.

"This perception was prompted by Somerset’s case, a case decided in London in June 1772 which seemed to suggest that abolition, which not only was going to be ratified in London itself, was going to cross the Atlantic and basically sweep through the mainland, thereby jeopardizing numerous fortunes, not only based upon slavery, but the slave trade."

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

Even if it were a concern it wasn't very high on a list of concerns.

The first anti-British rebellions in the USA were the Pine Tree Riots against British taking American Eastern White Pines, and Prendergast's Rentwar against British lending property laws in New York, not to mention the Boston Tea Party over Taxation over Tea.

The first anti-British rebellions in the USA were the Pine Tree Riots against British taking American Eastern White Pines, and Prendergast's Rentwar against British lending property laws in New York, not to mention the Boston Tea Party over Taxation over Tea.

Chattel slavery exerted a much greater effect on the colonial economy in 1776 than did Eastern White Pines, Prendergast's Rent war, and Boston tea combined.

Chattel Antebellum Manumission Abolitionism Sectionalism The “peculiar institution” (slavery) Secede. - ppt download

I'm calling BS on that , especially considering there were no formal British plans to eliminate slavery in the states at that time.

If anything they colonists were more afraid of becoming oppressed & without say by the British Empire.

I'm calling BS on that , especially considering there were no formal British plans to eliminate slavery in the states at that time.

If anything they colonists were more afraid of becoming oppressed & without say by the British Empire.

Some colonists were also afflicted by the "Black Scare:"

White supremacy and slavery: Gerald Horne on the real story of American independence

"This brings me to my other point, which is that in order for British subjects to revolt against the crown, it takes something extraordinary. This is not an everyday occurrence.

"But what I try to outline and suggest is that what was pushing the settlers toward revolt was what I call 'The Black Scare.'

"That is to say, that this fear that armed Africans would come down like a ton of bricks on their head.

"And this was not necessarily a hallucination because, as pointed out in the book, the Spanish had been arming Africans since the 1500s and from Spanish Florida had been repeatedly raiding colonial South Carolina to great effect ...

"Indeed going back to the English Civil War in the mid-17th century, you had the Africans involved in that conflict. And when London, the British Empire, had begun to absorb defeat at the hands of the Spanish — which was limiting the territorial expansion of the British Empire — this was not only giving substance to the idea that perhaps the better part of colonial wisdom was to arm Africans, but also it was giving a jolt of adrenaline to the abolitionist movement, which was growing by leaps and bounds in London at the same time."

 

[georgephillip]

"Democracy Now"

is the clear sign that the story will be fake.

Point out any historical inaccuracies in the link.

“Counter-Revolution of 1776”: Was U.S. Independence War a Conservative Revolt in Favor of Slavery? | Democracy Now!

"Well, next weekend, the United States celebrates the Fourth of July, the day the American colonies declared their independence from England in 1776.

"While many Americans will hang flags, participate in parades and watch fireworks, Independence Day is not a cause for celebration for all. For Native Americans, it is yet another bitter reminder of colonialism, which brought fatal diseases, cultural hegemony and full-out genocide.

"Neither did the new republic’s promise of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness extend to African Americans.

"As our next guest notes, the white colonists who declared their freedom from the crown did not share their newly founded liberation with the millions of Africans they had captured and forced into slavery."

Some might argue that the war was about the Indian lands and the moneyed interests that wanted to seize and sell them. The proclamation of 1763 banned settling lands west of the Appalachians.

Some might argue that the war was about the Indian lands and the moneyed interests that wanted to seize and sell them. The proclamation of 1763 banned settling lands west of the Appalachians

England certainly provided the colonists with some solid reasons for seeking independence.

White supremacy and slavery: Gerald Horne on the real story of American independence

"So would it be right to say that, for people in the U.K. and in the colonies, Africans and slaves played a much larger role in the development of the revolution than what most of us are taught today?

"It is correct.

"We oftentimes lose sight of the demographics [and] how in numerous precincts on the North American mainland, Africans wildly outnumbered Europeans ...

"When you combine the Native American population with that of the African population, you begin to get an idea of what I mean when I say there’s this fear, if not hysteria, about arming Africans to squash revolts of European settlers."