17 year old girl shot and killed, 16 year old boy critically shot, in gun controlled Britain.

[jillian]

Two separate shootings in a country that has done everything the anti gunners in America want.....they went the extra, extreme distance, and banned and confiscated guns...they didn't play the anti gun game here, where they pretend to want "common sense" gun control, then do everything to target law abiding gun owners while criminals and mass shooters laugh at them.....they went the Full Monty...they banned guns and confiscated them.....the only guns you can legally own in Britain are a few hunting shotguns that the wealthy "Posh" Brits use for hunting pheasants on their private land.......

And now, after banning and confiscating guns.....their gun crime rate across England and Wales is up 23%......gun crime in Yorkshire is up 30%......and in London, their capital, with police cameras watching everything and everyone....their gun crime rate is up 42%.......and now London is more violent than New York, and just yesterday it was reported that their murder number was higher than New Yorks 2 months in a row.......

They were promised lower gun crime, and less violence if they just gave up their guns....guns that the law abiding British citizens did not use to commit any crimes......

And the criminals have ignored the confiscation and ban....and now, decades after they passed the ban....their gun crime numbers are going up, their violence rate is going up, as their social welfare state is no longer able to civilize their young males, and as 3rd world males bring 3rd world violence to their streets...

Teenage girl shot dead in Tottenham, north London

A 17-year-old girl has been killed and a 16-year-old boy is in a critical condition after two separate shootings in London.

Police were called to an incident in Tottenham at 9.35pm on Monday and found Tanesha Melbourne-Blake with a gunshot wound. She was pronounced dead at the scene.

A woman who knew Tanesha said that she was “just chilling with her friends” when she was shot from a car for “no reason at all” in Chalgrove Road, a residential street near Northumberland Park station.

“The car just pulled up and just started shooting,” said the 21-year-old, who did not want to be named. She said she heard the gunshots “like fireworks” from her house.
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Less than an hour later, officers were alerted to another shooting about three miles away in Walthamstow, east London, where they found a 16-year-old boy with gunshot injuries and a 15-year-old boy with stab wounds.
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On Thursday, the family of Abraham Badru, 26, who was shot dead in Hackney, east London, on 25 March, warned that “gun culture is becoming rampant in our community”.

Hey, NRA shill, what is there gun death per thousand number compared to ours?

idiot.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Two separate shootings in a country that has done everything the anti gunners in America want.....they went the extra, extreme distance, and banned and confiscated guns...they didn't play the anti gun game here, where they pretend to want "common sense" gun control, then do everything to target law abiding gun owners while criminals and mass shooters laugh at them.....they went the Full Monty...they banned guns and confiscated them.....the only guns you can legally own in Britain are a few hunting shotguns that the wealthy "Posh" Brits use for hunting pheasants on their private land.......

And now, after banning and confiscating guns.....their gun crime rate across England and Wales is up 23%......gun crime in Yorkshire is up 30%......and in London, their capital, with police cameras watching everything and everyone....their gun crime rate is up 42%.......and now London is more violent than New York, and just yesterday it was reported that their murder number was higher than New Yorks 2 months in a row.......

They were promised lower gun crime, and less violence if they just gave up their guns....guns that the law abiding British citizens did not use to commit any crimes......

And the criminals have ignored the confiscation and ban....and now, decades after they passed the ban....their gun crime numbers are going up, their violence rate is going up, as their social welfare state is no longer able to civilize their young males, and as 3rd world males bring 3rd world violence to their streets...

Teenage girl shot dead in Tottenham, north London

A 17-year-old girl has been killed and a 16-year-old boy is in a critical condition after two separate shootings in London.

Police were called to an incident in Tottenham at 9.35pm on Monday and found Tanesha Melbourne-Blake with a gunshot wound. She was pronounced dead at the scene.

A woman who knew Tanesha said that she was “just chilling with her friends” when she was shot from a car for “no reason at all” in Chalgrove Road, a residential street near Northumberland Park station.

“The car just pulled up and just started shooting,” said the 21-year-old, who did not want to be named. She said she heard the gunshots “like fireworks” from her house.
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Less than an hour later, officers were alerted to another shooting about three miles away in Walthamstow, east London, where they found a 16-year-old boy with gunshot injuries and a 15-year-old boy with stab wounds.
---------

On Thursday, the family of Abraham Badru, 26, who was shot dead in Hackney, east London, on 25 March, warned that “gun culture is becoming rampant in our community”.

Hey, NRA shill, what is there gun death per thousand number compared to ours?

idiot.

It is a meaningless question when you assume the single variable responsible for murder rates is guns

Do you know that London's murder rate surpassed that of NYC because of stabbings and not guns?

 

[joaquinmiller]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

70% of all murders in this country take place is very small areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US

Those areas are urban and have a long history of both violence and poverty. Solve the problem with our cities and reduce the murder rate by up to 70% and like magic our murder rate is very close to that of the UK

80.7% if the US population lives in metropolitan areas.

And yet murders are concentrated in very small parts of those urban areas

For example East St Louis IL is a small part of the greater St Louis MO urban center yet the murder rate there is 1 per 1000 residents while the murder rate if the entire US is .05 per 1000

that's 20 times the national average in one neighborhood that is part of an Urban area while other areas nearby have much lower rates

This can be seen in other counties as well.

So saying that the murder rate is evenly distributed in urban areas is almost as simplistic as saying guns are the only variable in murder rates between different countries

It says your post needed context. I live in a rural area where the county seat has a population of 2000. Our murder rate is 1.5 per thousand. I should move to St. Louis.

 

[harmonica]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

So what?

Even in 1950 the US murder rate was 4 times that of the UK

We have a higher murder rate because we are completely different countries and the variables that are involved in murder are different. You'll notice I said variables plural because ony a simpleton thinks murder rates are driven by one variable (guns) alone

do you have some links/evidence of this?? so the people in the UK are murdering for different reasons--significantly more with regards to the reasons/etc??

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

Top 30 Highest Murder Rate Cities in the U.S. - NeighborhoodScout

If you look at the second link and use the interactive maps you will find that murders are concentrated in small areas even within the same city

Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders - Crime Prevention Research Center

Our murder rate is driven by the violence in small areas of 5% of all the counties in the country

More than half of all counties have a murder rate of virtually 0

I agree..sure....but I took it your post meant Americans murder for ''different'' reasons/etc....did I misinterpret your post?

 

[harmonica]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

70% of all murders in this country take place is very small areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US

Those areas are urban and have a long history of both violence and poverty. Solve the problem with our cities and reduce the murder rate by up to 70% and like magic our murder rate is very close to that of the UK

80.7% if the US population lives in metropolitan areas.

And yet murders are concentrated in very small parts of those urban areas

For example East St Louis IL is a small part of the greater St Louis MO urban center yet the murder rate there is 1 per 1000 residents while the murder rate if the entire US is .05 per 1000

that's 20 times the national average in one neighborhood that is part of an Urban area while other areas nearby have much lower rates

This can be seen in other counties as well.

So saying that the murder rate is evenly distributed in urban areas is almost as simplistic as saying guns are the only variable in murder rates between different countries

ok --so what I should ask is why can't we compare UK to US murders? and can you be more specific?

 

[Skull Pilot]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

70% of all murders in this country take place is very small areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US

Those areas are urban and have a long history of both violence and poverty. Solve the problem with our cities and reduce the murder rate by up to 70% and like magic our murder rate is very close to that of the UK

80.7% if the US population lives in metropolitan areas.

And yet murders are concentrated in very small parts of those urban areas

For example East St Louis IL is a small part of the greater St Louis MO urban center yet the murder rate there is 1 per 1000 residents while the murder rate if the entire US is .05 per 1000

that's 20 times the national average in one neighborhood that is part of an Urban area while other areas nearby have much lower rates

This can be seen in other counties as well.

So saying that the murder rate is evenly distributed in urban areas is almost as simplistic as saying guns are the only variable in murder rates between different countries

It says your post needed context. I live in a rural area where the county seat has a population of 2000. Our murder rate is 1.5 per thousand. I should move to St. Louis.

Per thousand?

so you have 3 people murdered every year in a town of 2000

 

[Skull Pilot]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

70% of all murders in this country take place is very small areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US

Those areas are urban and have a long history of both violence and poverty. Solve the problem with our cities and reduce the murder rate by up to 70% and like magic our murder rate is very close to that of the UK

80.7% if the US population lives in metropolitan areas.

And yet murders are concentrated in very small parts of those urban areas

For example East St Louis IL is a small part of the greater St Louis MO urban center yet the murder rate there is 1 per 1000 residents while the murder rate if the entire US is .05 per 1000

that's 20 times the national average in one neighborhood that is part of an Urban area while other areas nearby have much lower rates

This can be seen in other counties as well.

So saying that the murder rate is evenly distributed in urban areas is almost as simplistic as saying guns are the only variable in murder rates between different countries

ok --so what I should ask is why can't we compare UK to US murders? and can you be more specific?

I never said you can't I said you have to account for ALL the variables not just one

You people don't do that all you say is guns guns guns gun laws gun laws gun laws

 

[Skull Pilot]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

So what?

Even in 1950 the US murder rate was 4 times that of the UK

We have a higher murder rate because we are completely different countries and the variables that are involved in murder are different. You'll notice I said variables plural because ony a simpleton thinks murder rates are driven by one variable (guns) alone

do you have some links/evidence of this?? so the people in the UK are murdering for different reasons--significantly more with regards to the reasons/etc??

List of countries by intentional homicide rate by decade - Wikipedia

Top 30 Highest Murder Rate Cities in the U.S. - NeighborhoodScout

If you look at the second link and use the interactive maps you will find that murders are concentrated in small areas even within the same city

Murders in US very concentrated: 54% of US counties in 2014 had zero murders, 2% of counties have 51% of the murders - Crime Prevention Research Center

Our murder rate is driven by the violence in small areas of 5% of all the counties in the country

More than half of all counties have a murder rate of virtually 0

I agree..sure....but I took it your post meant Americans murder for ''different'' reasons/etc....did I misinterpret your post?

I don't give a shit why people murder.

 

[harmonica]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

70% of all murders in this country take place is very small areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US

Those areas are urban and have a long history of both violence and poverty. Solve the problem with our cities and reduce the murder rate by up to 70% and like magic our murder rate is very close to that of the UK

80.7% if the US population lives in metropolitan areas.

And yet murders are concentrated in very small parts of those urban areas

For example East St Louis IL is a small part of the greater St Louis MO urban center yet the murder rate there is 1 per 1000 residents while the murder rate if the entire US is .05 per 1000

that's 20 times the national average in one neighborhood that is part of an Urban area while other areas nearby have much lower rates

This can be seen in other counties as well.

So saying that the murder rate is evenly distributed in urban areas is almost as simplistic as saying guns are the only variable in murder rates between different countries

ok --so what I should ask is why can't we compare UK to US murders? and can you be more specific?

I never said you can't I said you have to account for ALL the variables not just one

You people don't do that all you say is guns guns guns gun laws gun laws gun laws

so we have UK five times lower murder rate
..even 3 times is a hugely significant figure .....no one can argue with FIVE times the rate
this is too huge to argue variables/etc

 

[Skull Pilot]

70% of all murders in this country take place is very small areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US

Those areas are urban and have a long history of both violence and poverty. Solve the problem with our cities and reduce the murder rate by up to 70% and like magic our murder rate is very close to that of the UK

80.7% if the US population lives in metropolitan areas.

And yet murders are concentrated in very small parts of those urban areas

For example East St Louis IL is a small part of the greater St Louis MO urban center yet the murder rate there is 1 per 1000 residents while the murder rate if the entire US is .05 per 1000

that's 20 times the national average in one neighborhood that is part of an Urban area while other areas nearby have much lower rates

This can be seen in other counties as well.

So saying that the murder rate is evenly distributed in urban areas is almost as simplistic as saying guns are the only variable in murder rates between different countries

ok --so what I should ask is why can't we compare UK to US murders? and can you be more specific?

I never said you can't I said you have to account for ALL the variables not just one

You people don't do that all you say is guns guns guns gun laws gun laws gun laws

so we have UK five times lower murder rate
..even 3 times is a hugely significant figure .....no one can argue with FIVE times the rate
this is too huge to argue variables/etc

No it's not

If we reduced the murder rate in just a few urban areas the rate of the entire country would drop to near the UK's rate

If we ended all mass shootings there would be no significant reduction

So the question is what about our ultra violent urban areas is different?

 

[2aguy]

Two separate shootings in a country that has done everything the anti gunners in America want.....they went the extra, extreme distance, and banned and confiscated guns...they didn't play the anti gun game here, where they pretend to want "common sense" gun control, then do everything to target law abiding gun owners while criminals and mass shooters laugh at them.....they went the Full Monty...they banned guns and confiscated them.....the only guns you can legally own in Britain are a few hunting shotguns that the wealthy "Posh" Brits use for hunting pheasants on their private land.......

And now, after banning and confiscating guns.....their gun crime rate across England and Wales is up 23%......gun crime in Yorkshire is up 30%......and in London, their capital, with police cameras watching everything and everyone....their gun crime rate is up 42%.......and now London is more violent than New York, and just yesterday it was reported that their murder number was higher than New Yorks 2 months in a row.......

They were promised lower gun crime, and less violence if they just gave up their guns....guns that the law abiding British citizens did not use to commit any crimes......

And the criminals have ignored the confiscation and ban....and now, decades after they passed the ban....their gun crime numbers are going up, their violence rate is going up, as their social welfare state is no longer able to civilize their young males, and as 3rd world males bring 3rd world violence to their streets...

Teenage girl shot dead in Tottenham, north London

A 17-year-old girl has been killed and a 16-year-old boy is in a critical condition after two separate shootings in London.

Police were called to an incident in Tottenham at 9.35pm on Monday and found Tanesha Melbourne-Blake with a gunshot wound. She was pronounced dead at the scene.

A woman who knew Tanesha said that she was “just chilling with her friends” when she was shot from a car for “no reason at all” in Chalgrove Road, a residential street near Northumberland Park station.

“The car just pulled up and just started shooting,” said the 21-year-old, who did not want to be named. She said she heard the gunshots “like fireworks” from her house.
-------

Less than an hour later, officers were alerted to another shooting about three miles away in Walthamstow, east London, where they found a 16-year-old boy with gunshot injuries and a 15-year-old boy with stab wounds.
---------

On Thursday, the family of Abraham Badru, 26, who was shot dead in Hackney, east London, on 25 March, warned that “gun culture is becoming rampant in our community”.

Hey, NRA shill, what is there gun death per thousand number compared to ours?

idiot.

Dip stick...again.....they banned guns and their gun crime rate keeps going up..... as that funny commercial with the Senior Citizen explaining the internet says "That isn't how any of this is supposed to work."

Britain banned guns....their gun crime rate is going up...their violent crime rate is going through the roof.

The United States has more people than ever before owning and actually carrying guns...and our gun murder rate, our gun crime rate and our violent crime rate all went down........

That is the truth.....

British criminals do not commit murder....American criminals do......and in Britain, as my posts keep showing...and as recent news stories show.......British criminals are starting go commit murder more often.....and more easily than before...as their society breaks down...

 

[2aguy]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

70% of all murders in this country take place is very small areas in just 5% of all the counties in the US

Those areas are urban and have a long history of both violence and poverty. Solve the problem with our cities and reduce the murder rate by up to 70% and like magic our murder rate is very close to that of the UK

80.7% if the US population lives in metropolitan areas.

And yet murders are concentrated in very small parts of those urban areas

For example East St Louis IL is a small part of the greater St Louis MO urban center yet the murder rate there is 1 per 1000 residents while the murder rate if the entire US is .05 per 1000

that's 20 times the national average in one neighborhood that is part of an Urban area while other areas nearby have much lower rates

This can be seen in other counties as well.

So saying that the murder rate is evenly distributed in urban areas is almost as simplistic as saying guns are the only variable in murder rates between different countries

ok --so what I should ask is why can't we compare UK to US murders? and can you be more specific?

We can...but gun ownership isn't the cause of people committing murder. Our knife murder rate is higher than their total murder rate.

Their criminals have guns...they do not use those guns to commit murder...that is a culture, values issue...since they already have access to guns.

 

[2aguy]

You mean that they had two separate shooting incidents, and only one person shot in each? Quick, 2a, send them a load of AR's over so they can be like we are here, and get more than 10, or even 500 in one shooting.



26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually
The US is downright weird compared to civilized Western Europe or Australia.

by
Juan Cole

A gun show in Houston, Texas. (Photo: M&R Glasgow/flickr/cc)

There have been 1,516 mass shootings in 1,735 days in the United States. You’ll note you don’t hear about mass shootings in Australia, Japan or for the most part the United Kingdom, or other civilized countries whose politicians have not been bought by 10 major gun manufacturers.

The United States continues to be peculiar in handing out powerful magazine-fed firearms to almost anyone who wants one and not requiring background checks on private purchases even if these are made at gun shows or by persons with a history of mental illness. 80% of civilian-owned firearms world-wide are in the US, and only Yemen vaguely competes with us for rates of firearm ownership; Yemen is a violent mess with Shiite insurgencies, al-Qaeda taking over cities from time to time, tribal feuding, southern separatism and US drone strikes. And even it has fewer guns per person than the USA.

It has gotten to the point where the increasing epidemic of mass shootings now threatens law enforcement.

26 Gun murders (equiv. 130) in England vs. *11,004* in US Annually

Just think, if matters continue like that, our gun homocides might be equal in 3 or 4 centuries.

There isn't an epidemic of mass shootings.....and you have to hide behind murder because gun crime is going up in Britain even though they banned and confiscated guns.........their culture and values are no longer stopping their criminals...and as they become more violent, the murder rate is going to go up....

 

[harmonica]

Murder - number of victims by weapons used 2016 | Statistic
most murders are by guns
if it's not the main cause, explain how the UK, France, Germany murders are many times lower and they are gun controlled/banned??

 

[2aguy]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

Yes....the breakdown of families in our urban areas wasn't slowed down by the destruction of World War 2......they are now catching up......

 

[2aguy]

US murders population 15,000 325,000,000
Britain 550 65,000,000
US rate over FIVE times that of Britain
not twice, 3, or 4 times but 5 times

So what?

Even in 1950 the US murder rate was 4 times that of the UK

We have a higher murder rate because we are completely different countries and the variables that are involved in murder are different. You'll notice I said variables plural because ony a simpleton thinks murder rates are driven by one variable (guns) alone

do you have some links/evidence of this?? so the people in the UK are murdering for different reasons--significantly more with regards to the reasons/etc??

Culture and values over time.....we never had a Feudal system, we did not suffer the effects of World War 1 and World War 2......they did...it stunted their growth, and their societal breakdown of the family.....

 

[2aguy]

Murder - number of victims by weapons used 2016 | Statistic
most murders are by guns
if it's not the main cause, explain how the UK, France, Germany murders are many times lower and they are gun controlled/banned??

Wrong...again......

Does Gun Control Reduce Murder? Let’s Run The Numbers Globally



Let’s look at the countries with the highest concentrations of gun ownership (excluding Yemen and Iraq as active war zones). Guns per murder in those countries are,

1. United States at 20,967,
2. Uruguay at 3,777,
3. Norway at 55,893,
4. France at 19,747,
5. Austria at 59,608,
6. Germany at 35,647,
7. Switzerland at 35,435,
8. New Zealand at 24,835, and
9. Greece at 26,471.

Norway is a particularly interesting example. It has 10 times the gun ownership rate of the United Kingdom, but only half the murder rate.

When one excludes Iraq and Yemen, not one of the countries on the list of the 10 highest rates of gun ownership also appears on the list of the top ten highest murder rates. In fact, the countries with the highest murder rates have markedly low gun ownership rates.

1. El Savador (108.64 murders per 100,000/5800 guns per 100,000)
2. Honduras (63.75/6200)
3. Venezuela (57.15/10,700)
4. Jamaica (43.21/8,100)
5. Lesotho (38/2,700)
6. Belize (34.4/10,000)
7. South Africa (34.27/12,700)
8. Guatemala (31.21/13,100)
9. Trinidad (30.88/1,600)
10. Bahamas (29.81/5,300)

It really doesn’t matter how you slice this data. The conclusion is inescapable: High concentrations of private, legal gun ownership do not correlate positively to increased murders. Indeed, you can look at almost any slice of data and conclude the opposite: Higher private ownership of guns can be strongly correlated to lower murder rates.

The data also exposes some myths I have heard about gun control. For example, I’ve heard activists tout Australia, which supposedly banned all guns. Australia has advanced a number of gun control measures over the years. Nevertheless, according to the data, Australia has a rate of private ownership of guns of 13,100 per 100,000 and a murder rate of .98.

Australia has almost twice as many guns per capita as the United Kingdom, for example, and a comparable murder rate. New Zealand has almost twice as many guns per capita as Australia but a lower crime rate.

Countries with both a low rate of private gun ownership and a low murder rate exist, but they are clearly data outliers. These include the Netherlands (3,900 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .61) the United Kingdom (6,200 guns per 100,000, for a murder rate of .92), Japan, and Portugal.


Places like Norway, Austria, Switzerland, and Germany overwhelm those examples because they all have high rates of gun ownership and enviable crime rates.

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The ratio of murders per gun works as a decent measure for how responsible a country’s citizens are with their firearms. Measured in this light, an owner of a private legal gun in America measures as one of the most responsible in the world. A gun in America is 387 times less likely to be used in a murder than in El Salvador. Even in Japan, which has one of the lowest murder and gun ownership rates in the world, there are ten times as many murders per gun than in America.

 

[2aguy]

Murder - number of victims by weapons used 2016 | Statistic
most murders are by guns
if it's not the main cause, explain how the UK, France, Germany murders are many times lower and they are gun controlled/banned??

Gun crime is going up in those countries.......in France, the criminals use fully automatic military rifles as a preference...compared to hand guns for American Criminals....

The willingness to take a human life is controlled by culture and values....not gun ownership.....since the criminals in all of those countries have access to guns, they simply don't use them as often to commit murder....

You guys fail to see that either because you don't understand it...or because you do understand it but hate guns too much to concede the point.

 

[2aguy]

The boy died of his injuries....

Boy, 16, dies in hospital after he was shot in Walthamstow

A 16-year-old boy has died after he was shot in east London during a "shocking" night of violence in the capital.

The teenager died in hospital at 5.45pm on Tuesday, Scotland Yard said.

He was found suffering from gunshot wounds in Walthamstow on Monday night, with another boy, 15, who had been stabbed.