$15 Minimum Wage Is Speeding Up the ERA of Automation

[OnePercenter]

Joe automation has been replacing people since the 80's I know several lights out factory's on 2nd and 3rd shift. The technology works today and continues to get better.

Until someone can teach a computer to think and learn, automation today is at a roadblock.

 

[OnePercenter]

Of course they do. But that's two people where there may have been ten people. There will still be employees, just way fewer of them and very well paid.

Reducing employees increases the net of the company. Period.

 

[OnePercenter]

heard McDonalds have been using them in Europe for a few year's now, they have a high labor wage, right now with our minimum wage the way it is not worth the investment but raise it, then it will become worth the investment.simple as that.

I've been to McDonalds in the UK and France, ordered from people.

 

[OnePercenter]

was just reading earlier on CNBC how much it cost to open a franchise maybe if you check out this link and explain to me why would they want to add another 250k ?to the start up cost
What does it cost to open a fast food franchise

From your link:

Many franchise owners pay initial "franchise fees" to the company, as well as advertising fees and weekly or monthly royalty fees; altogether, often these can add up to a multimillion dollar investment.

 

[OnePercenter]

Interesting report in a recent edition of The Economist about how automatic sewing is nearly ready for industrial use. That has the potential to eliminate hundreds of thousands of "needle trade" jobs, most of which are in low-wage other countries. Some feeling that it'll bring clothing production back to The U.S. but, guess what! Some of the biggest investment is coming from China and South Korea where garment-making jobs were lost to other, lower-cost, producers. Will America educate the sort of technicians who can program and maintain robotic sewing?

Probably not.

What exactly does 'nearly ready' mean? The next 100 years?

 

[OnePercenter]

Wal Mart is folliwing Amazon in automating bagging and packing.

Yet Amazon employees 120,000 people. So much for automation.

Oh?......If there were no automation, Amazon would employ twice that number.
This does not apply to Amazon as their distribution centers are staffed by semi skilled and skilled workers. There are no positions for the fast food type worker.

If automation were anywhere close to what you loons believe it is, Amazon could run on a couple thousand people.

Pickers in a distribution are somehow different than fast food workers? How so?

re read my previous post.
Amazon does not hire low level no skill workers.

How much skill does it take to pick an item and put it into a basket or fries into a bag?

 

[OnePercenter]

Unless you own a business, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Entry level work which pays entry level wages is NOT for support.
Live within your means.

Wouldn't a Resident Physician be 'entry level?'

 

[OnePercenter]

Millions?......I told you ten thousand times not exaggerate.
I asked for proof. Not hyperbole

Yes, Millions. If you have differing numbers, please post.

You made the claim. YOU support it with facts.....I'm not doing your work for you

Post 184. Killed two loons with one post. The NRA would be proud!

 

[Socialist]

This is horrifying.. automation won't just affect fast food workers, and I am appalled that people are celebrating that millions will lose their employment, and then, the same people will be against them getting on the oh so horrid "food stamps" from the devil (I've seen rhetoric like this..) Yes, we've survived automation in the past, but nothing even close to the scale of what is coming, current economic models are not build to handle such automation, especially when the machines will literally be independent, apart from small amounts of maintenance, but even then, it's only a matter of time before we have machines doing the maintenance on other machines. It amazes me how labor has been crushed for the interests of capital, the dramatic shift that has happened, and continues to happen, it horrifies me, and I am disgusted.

So according to you, we should be building roads by hand. Not using robots to make automobiles. Eliminate all the machines that speed production. Get rid of computers.....
"MIllions"?.....Jesus Christ..
Go sell your straw man 1950's mentality somewhere else.

You clearly did not read my post. No, I don't think roads should be built by hands, in fact, we have machinery that is operated by workers today, and the robots we use usually require maintenance, control, overwatch, automation in the past has involved people controlling the machines, now, we're getting to a point where machines are more efficient then working people, and this results in a loss of work, since the machines can function on their own. Where the hell did I say I wanted to get rid of anything? It's an actual problem that current economic models won't be able to address, unless we move to a system like a basic income or a strong welfare state to offset the loss of jobs and increasing automation, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

 

[OnePercenter]

This is horrifying.. automation won't just affect fast food workers, and I am appalled that people are celebrating that millions will lose their employment, and then, the same people will be against them getting on the oh so horrid "food stamps" from the devil (I've seen rhetoric like this..) Yes, we've survived automation in the past, but nothing even close to the scale of what is coming, current economic models are not build to handle such automation, especially when the machines will literally be independent, apart from small amounts of maintenance, but even then, it's only a matter of time before we have machines doing the maintenance on other machines. It amazes me how labor has been crushed for the interests of capital, the dramatic shift that has happened, and continues to happen, it horrifies me, and I am disgusted.

So according to you, we should be building roads by hand. Not using robots to make automobiles. Eliminate all the machines that speed production. Get rid of computers.....
"MIllions"?.....Jesus Christ..
Go sell your straw man 1950's mentality somewhere else.

You clearly did not read my post. No, I don't think roads should be built by hands, in fact, we have machinery that is operated by workers today, and the robots we use usually require maintenance, control, overwatch, automation in the past has involved people controlling the machines, now, we're getting to a point where machines are more efficient then working people, and this results in a loss of work, since the machines can function on their own. Where the hell did I say I wanted to get rid of anything? It's an actual problem that current economic models won't be able to address, unless we move to a system like a basic income or a strong welfare state to offset the loss of jobs and increasing automation, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

He hasn't figured out 'socialist ideals' either. Although he does use them.

 

[Socialist]

This is horrifying.. automation won't just affect fast food workers, and I am appalled that people are celebrating that millions will lose their employment, and then, the same people will be against them getting on the oh so horrid "food stamps" from the devil (I've seen rhetoric like this..) Yes, we've survived automation in the past, but nothing even close to the scale of what is coming, current economic models are not build to handle such automation, especially when the machines will literally be independent, apart from small amounts of maintenance, but even then, it's only a matter of time before we have machines doing the maintenance on other machines. It amazes me how labor has been crushed for the interests of capital, the dramatic shift that has happened, and continues to happen, it horrifies me, and I am disgusted.

So according to you, we should be building roads by hand. Not using robots to make automobiles. Eliminate all the machines that speed production. Get rid of computers.....
"MIllions"?.....Jesus Christ..
Go sell your straw man 1950's mentality somewhere else.

You clearly did not read my post. No, I don't think roads should be built by hands, in fact, we have machinery that is operated by workers today, and the robots we use usually require maintenance, control, overwatch, automation in the past has involved people controlling the machines, now, we're getting to a point where machines are more efficient then working people, and this results in a loss of work, since the machines can function on their own. Where the hell did I say I wanted to get rid of anything? It's an actual problem that current economic models won't be able to address, unless we move to a system like a basic income or a strong welfare state to offset the loss of jobs and increasing automation, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

He hasn't figured out 'socialist ideals' either. Although he does use them.

The only "socialist" ideal is common ownership of production, that is all socialism is, at it's core. Medicare is not socialism, nor is social security. People are stupid..

 

[OnePercenter]

This is horrifying.. automation won't just affect fast food workers, and I am appalled that people are celebrating that millions will lose their employment, and then, the same people will be against them getting on the oh so horrid "food stamps" from the devil (I've seen rhetoric like this..) Yes, we've survived automation in the past, but nothing even close to the scale of what is coming, current economic models are not build to handle such automation, especially when the machines will literally be independent, apart from small amounts of maintenance, but even then, it's only a matter of time before we have machines doing the maintenance on other machines. It amazes me how labor has been crushed for the interests of capital, the dramatic shift that has happened, and continues to happen, it horrifies me, and I am disgusted.

So according to you, we should be building roads by hand. Not using robots to make automobiles. Eliminate all the machines that speed production. Get rid of computers.....
"MIllions"?.....Jesus Christ..
Go sell your straw man 1950's mentality somewhere else.

You clearly did not read my post. No, I don't think roads should be built by hands, in fact, we have machinery that is operated by workers today, and the robots we use usually require maintenance, control, overwatch, automation in the past has involved people controlling the machines, now, we're getting to a point where machines are more efficient then working people, and this results in a loss of work, since the machines can function on their own. Where the hell did I say I wanted to get rid of anything? It's an actual problem that current economic models won't be able to address, unless we move to a system like a basic income or a strong welfare state to offset the loss of jobs and increasing automation, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

He hasn't figured out 'socialist ideals' either. Although he does use them.

The only "socialist" ideal is common ownership of production, that is all socialism is, at it's core. Medicare is not socialism, nor is social security. People are stupid..

Streetlights? Roadways?

 

[KissMy]

Computers & smartphones have & will replace Medical Researchers, Librarians, Marketers, Mail, Lawyers, Bankers, Executives, Traders, Printers, Translators, Pilots, Office Personnel, Teachers, etc. This has & will happen faster than automation replaces your produce picker, butcher, chef, waitress, dishwasher, janitor, carpenter, electrician or laborer. Your new job may also be in the service industry after your old one is eliminated.

IBM's Watson thinking computers will replace much of the skill and expertise that professionals used to spend an entire career researching & learning. Watson is smarter & faster than the worlds best Jeopardy contestant. It ushers in a new era of cognitive computing, we’re all going to have to learn to adapt.

Like most professionals, a physician’s work is largely routine. They see patients with common ailments, prescribe standard treatments and things generally go all right. Yet, when things go off script, it gets dicey. Doctors need to stop practicing and start researching, referring to old textbooks, online references and specialists in narrow fields.

This is an incredibly inefficient process. If you go to Google or PubMed and look for a piece of information on a topic that you’re interested in, you get back too many hits and they’re not right on”. Doctors can waste hours muddling through what can be a fruitless search.

There is, in effect, a wide gap between scientists generating knowledge and the people who are supposed to put those insights into practice. Dr. Chin & IBM showed the capabilities of its Watson system, closed that gap and put all of the world’s collective knowledge to work in the practice of everyday medicine. Watson has now done cancer research & blazing new trails.

Dr. Chin says that Watson allowed her to “imagine a system that isn’t just to optimize a particular decision making point, but to really change how we think about healthcare.” In a very real sense physicians, like pilots, will also learn to fly-by-wire.

 

[The Rabbi]

This is horrifying.. automation won't just affect fast food workers, and I am appalled that people are celebrating that millions will lose their employment, and then, the same people will be against them getting on the oh so horrid "food stamps" from the devil (I've seen rhetoric like this..) Yes, we've survived automation in the past, but nothing even close to the scale of what is coming, current economic models are not build to handle such automation, especially when the machines will literally be independent, apart from small amounts of maintenance, but even then, it's only a matter of time before we have machines doing the maintenance on other machines. It amazes me how labor has been crushed for the interests of capital, the dramatic shift that has happened, and continues to happen, it horrifies me, and I am disgusted.

So according to you, we should be building roads by hand. Not using robots to make automobiles. Eliminate all the machines that speed production. Get rid of computers.....
"MIllions"?.....Jesus Christ..
Go sell your straw man 1950's mentality somewhere else.

You clearly did not read my post. No, I don't think roads should be built by hands, in fact, we have machinery that is operated by workers today, and the robots we use usually require maintenance, control, overwatch, automation in the past has involved people controlling the machines, now, we're getting to a point where machines are more efficient then working people, and this results in a loss of work, since the machines can function on their own. Where the hell did I say I wanted to get rid of anything? It's an actual problem that current economic models won't be able to address, unless we move to a system like a basic income or a strong welfare state to offset the loss of jobs and increasing automation, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

He hasn't figured out 'socialist ideals' either. Although he does use them.

The only "socialist" ideal is common ownership of production, that is all socialism is, at it's core. Medicare is not socialism, nor is social security. People are stupid..

No that's actually communism.
You're too stupid to be a socialist. How sad is that?

 

[JoeB131]

Unless you own a business, you have no clue what you're talking about.
Entry level work which pays entry level wages is NOT for support.
Live within your means.

Businesses would pay us all $1.00 an hour if we let them get away with it, whether we have skills or not. Which is why we have pilots selling their blood plasma and Adjuct Professors on food stamps.

If you can't afford to pay a living wage, you shouldn't be in business.

 

[Wyatt earp]

humans are doing it, machines don't make mistakes if they are programmed right. I thought you said you worked downtown in a office? Anyways keyence vision systems work great now, easy to teach

Uh, no, I didn't. I said I work in the suburbs in an office in a factory where we order a lot of parts.

And usually, when you go with the cheap bidder, you have quality problems.

of course, those company's can not afford the investment and rely on $12 dollar an hour Q.C. folks.

 

[initforme]

Low wages = low productivity. Higher wages = higher productivity. If you pretend to pay me, I pretend to work. THATS HOW THINGS WORK.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Wal Mart is folliwing Amazon in automating bagging and packing.

Yet Amazon employees 120,000 people. So much for automation.

Oh?......If there were no automation, Amazon would employ twice that number.
This does not apply to Amazon as their distribution centers are staffed by semi skilled and skilled workers. There are no positions for the fast food type worker.

If automation were anywhere close to what you loons believe it is, Amazon could run on a couple thousand people.

Pickers in a distribution are somehow different than fast food workers? How so?

dude I was a field service tech for a huge Japaneese injection molding machine maker from 1987 to 1995 , I have been in at least 100 plastic factorys in the Midwest and south east USA. Some were doing it back then, it's just a huge investment and only works if you are only making a few basic parts. We don't do it at my place I work now because we are a custom milder, but all my injection molding machines has 3 axis robots and we do have 6 axis robots just put another one in production yesterday, it does the job of two operators.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Low wages = low productivity. Higher wages = higher productivity. If you pretend to pay me, I pretend to work. THATS HOW THINGS WORK.

yea I know. That's why you are still a burger flipper with that attitude.

I on the other hand at 18 in 1983 started a full time job in a plastic plant as an operator making $4 bucks an hour (MW was $3.35) I busted my ass at that small company, became a setup guy, then got in mold processing , went to night school, became a shift supervisor at 20 making $10 bucks an hour, quit and got a job with a japenesse company making 40 grand a year with a company car and an expense account.@21 year's old.

 

[JoeB131]

of course, those company's can not afford the investment and rely on $12 dollar an hour Q.C. folks.

Maybe we need to stop basing our economy on what is profitable for the 1%.

Let's go this route. The total GDP of the United States is 18 trillion. If you divide that up by the number of working age people, 243 million, then the average worker is producing $74,000 of value.

So that said, no, not everyone is being equally productive. But the distribution of wealth is not based on productivity. the 1% who control 43% of the wealth are not doing 43% of the producing, they are cheating those who do.

I merely propose that they cheat them a little bit less.