14 and 17 year old injured in shooting, why can't guns be banned?

[BULLDOG]

I understand the problem. You're just a gun nut who wants everybody to be scared and armed just like you. Have you always been a coward, or did something happen to you?

Are you stupid in the head?
People kill people not firearms, criminals do not obey the laws that is why they are called criminals.
You do realize it is none of your business if someone carries/owns firearms, it's none of the federal government business. You need to stay out of peoples personal business… You might have some credibility if you did.

Got it. You support more unnecessary deaths from guns.

The country has much bigger fish to fry, more frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. There is no proof
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

So it's an issue you don't want discussed. Fine. You don't have to join the conversation.

Proof?

You're getting goofy again rustic. Try to dial it back a little.

 

[BULLDOG]

Hard to reject 0.23 per 100,000 gun related deaths. You think it's better to have more dead people due to guns?

The firearms have nothing to do with the subject, criminal control not gun control. more frivolous gun control laws is like putting a Band-Aid on a broken arm, sure it may look like you're doing something to stupid fuckers but really it's not helping nothing.

Hate to burst your bubble, but yes, firearms have lots to do with gun related deaths.

Firearms have thought control? Link?

Are you high? That's not what I said goober.

You are implying that just because someone owns a firearm they are a violent criminal, and the only way is for the federal government to take that firearm away from them to stop violent crime...

No goofy. Take a deep breath and try again.

 

[Rustic]

Are you stupid in the head?
People kill people not firearms, criminals do not obey the laws that is why they are called criminals.
You do realize it is none of your business if someone carries/owns firearms, it's none of the federal government business. You need to stay out of peoples personal business… You might have some credibility if you did.

Got it. You support more unnecessary deaths from guns.

The country has much bigger fish to fry, more frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. There is no proof
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

So it's an issue you don't want discussed. Fine. You don't have to join the conversation.

Proof?

You're getting goofy again rustic. Try to dial it back a little.

 

[BULLDOG]

Got it. You support more unnecessary deaths from guns.

The country has much bigger fish to fry, more frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. There is no proof
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

So it's an issue you don't want discussed. Fine. You don't have to join the conversation.

Proof?

You're getting goofy again rustic. Try to dial it back a little.

You really think I'm gonna watch 1/2 hour of gun nut propaganda?

 

[Rustic]

The country has much bigger fish to fry, more frivolous gun control laws will not save a single soul. There is no proof
2017 Real Time Death Statistics in America

So it's an issue you don't want discussed. Fine. You don't have to join the conversation.

Proof?

You're getting goofy again rustic. Try to dial it back a little.

You really think I'm gonna watch 1/2 hour of gun nut propaganda?

You might learn something, but then again obviously you don't want to look at any other view but yours... lol

 

[Rustic]

 

[idb]

Except....banning and confiscating guns didn't reduce their gun murder rate....it was low before they put it into law, and then it went up after they passed it....so it failed.....

Oh, no, he's going to spooge gun nut propaganda!

Now...their gun crime rate in London is up 42%....our gun crime rate went down 75% since the 90s......and their violent crime rate is through the roof....

Again, they have 48 gun murders a year, and we have 11,000. I'll take their numbers any day of the week.

Then you will have to trade their criminals for our criminals....is that possible? Their criminals, in the past, have not been prone to murdering each other....our kill each other over facebook insults...different criminal cultures.

However, as their welfare state has created more and more single teenage girl mothers, their ability to civilize their poor, young males is failing....their level of violence...and gun crime, is increasing....while our gun crime rate is decreasing....

If you're saying that Americans are inherently more violent than Brits...why would you want Americans to have guns?!

 

[Rustic]

Except....banning and confiscating guns didn't reduce their gun murder rate....it was low before they put it into law, and then it went up after they passed it....so it failed.....

Oh, no, he's going to spooge gun nut propaganda!

Now...their gun crime rate in London is up 42%....our gun crime rate went down 75% since the 90s......and their violent crime rate is through the roof....

Again, they have 48 gun murders a year, and we have 11,000. I'll take their numbers any day of the week.

Then you will have to trade their criminals for our criminals....is that possible? Their criminals, in the past, have not been prone to murdering each other....our kill each other over facebook insults...different criminal cultures.

However, as their welfare state has created more and more single teenage girl mothers, their ability to civilize their poor, young males is failing....their level of violence...and gun crime, is increasing....while our gun crime rate is decreasing....

If you're saying that Americans are inherently more violent than Brits...why would you want Americans to have guns?!

People kill people not firearms... most people learn that in grade school

 

[BULLDOG]

Except....banning and confiscating guns didn't reduce their gun murder rate....it was low before they put it into law, and then it went up after they passed it....so it failed.....

Oh, no, he's going to spooge gun nut propaganda!

Now...their gun crime rate in London is up 42%....our gun crime rate went down 75% since the 90s......and their violent crime rate is through the roof....

Again, they have 48 gun murders a year, and we have 11,000. I'll take their numbers any day of the week.

Then you will have to trade their criminals for our criminals....is that possible? Their criminals, in the past, have not been prone to murdering each other....our kill each other over facebook insults...different criminal cultures.

However, as their welfare state has created more and more single teenage girl mothers, their ability to civilize their poor, young males is failing....their level of violence...and gun crime, is increasing....while our gun crime rate is decreasing....

If you're saying that Americans are inherently more violent than Brits...why would you want Americans to have guns?!

People kill people not firearms... most people learn that in grade school

So why do we end up with so many dead people with bullets in them?

 

[Rustic]

Except....banning and confiscating guns didn't reduce their gun murder rate....it was low before they put it into law, and then it went up after they passed it....so it failed.....

Oh, no, he's going to spooge gun nut propaganda!

Now...their gun crime rate in London is up 42%....our gun crime rate went down 75% since the 90s......and their violent crime rate is through the roof....

Again, they have 48 gun murders a year, and we have 11,000. I'll take their numbers any day of the week.

Then you will have to trade their criminals for our criminals....is that possible? Their criminals, in the past, have not been prone to murdering each other....our kill each other over facebook insults...different criminal cultures.

However, as their welfare state has created more and more single teenage girl mothers, their ability to civilize their poor, young males is failing....their level of violence...and gun crime, is increasing....while our gun crime rate is decreasing....

If you're saying that Americans are inherently more violent than Brits...why would you want Americans to have guns?!

People kill people not firearms... most people learn that in grade school

So why do we end up with so many dead people with bullets in them?

Firearms have thought control?

 

[Rustic]

Actually the country is under-armed, this country needs more firearms. Buy more guns and ammo

 

[2aguy]

And here you have some more numbers...again, it isn't law abiding people with guns that are the issue.....it is criminals and how the local justice system deals with them.....

Chicago...2016

Population 2.705 million

762

Houston...2016

Population 2.303

302

England population 53, 000,000 homicides 580
ST louis population 300,000 homicides 188
that's one city vs a country

Britain always had a low murder rate....our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate.........and after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate has gone up, not down....

They are an island....they banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime rate is going up...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Banning and confiscating guns didn't lower their gun crime or their gun murder rates....

Now....they too are cutting their police numbers, their police money, and they are attacking their police with Politically Correct policies........added to that, they are importing violent people who are taking over their drug trades......and using guns more and more.....and their social welfare state can't civilize their poor, young males anymore...

That is driving their gun crime rate and their violent crime rate....

0.23 per 100,000

Hmmmm...you still don't understand the problem......they banned and confiscated guns.....

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

I understand the problem. You're just a gun nut who wants everybody to be scared and armed just like you. Have you always been a coward, or did something happen to you?

Annnnnd.......you can't refute my information, the truth or reality.....so now you go on the attack....

 

[2aguy]

And here you have some more numbers...again, it isn't law abiding people with guns that are the issue.....it is criminals and how the local justice system deals with them.....

Chicago...2016

Population 2.705 million

762

Houston...2016

Population 2.303

302

England population 53, 000,000 homicides 580
ST louis population 300,000 homicides 188
that's one city vs a country

Britain always had a low murder rate....our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate.........and after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate has gone up, not down....

They are an island....they banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime rate is going up...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Banning and confiscating guns didn't lower their gun crime or their gun murder rates....

Now....they too are cutting their police numbers, their police money, and they are attacking their police with Politically Correct policies........added to that, they are importing violent people who are taking over their drug trades......and using guns more and more.....and their social welfare state can't civilize their poor, young males anymore...

That is driving their gun crime rate and their violent crime rate....

0.23 per 100,000

Any of the European countries especially the western ones are what not to be like… we need to reject the cesspool that is Europe

Hard to reject 0.23 per 100,000 gun related deaths. You think it's better to have more dead people due to guns?

The low gun murder rate in Britain....was low before they banned and confiscated guns.....their criminals had guns then, and didn't use them to commit murder.....

Now...after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun murder rate at first.....went up....then it went back to where it was before they banned guns....and now? It is going up because:

--they are cutting the number of police.

--they are cutting the money they give to the police in order to spend it on welfar.

--they are importing violent people from 3rd World countries who are now running their drug gangs...and they are using guns more often...

--their social welfare state has destroyed their cultures ability to civilize poor, young males.....

And now, their gun crime rate is going up....their gun control laws had nothing to do with their previous gun crime rate, and it isn't stopping the increase now...

 

[BULLDOG]

England population 53, 000,000 homicides 580
ST louis population 300,000 homicides 188
that's one city vs a country

Britain always had a low murder rate....our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate.........and after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate has gone up, not down....

They are an island....they banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime rate is going up...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Banning and confiscating guns didn't lower their gun crime or their gun murder rates....

Now....they too are cutting their police numbers, their police money, and they are attacking their police with Politically Correct policies........added to that, they are importing violent people who are taking over their drug trades......and using guns more and more.....and their social welfare state can't civilize their poor, young males anymore...

That is driving their gun crime rate and their violent crime rate....

0.23 per 100,000

Hmmmm...you still don't understand the problem......they banned and confiscated guns.....

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

I understand the problem. You're just a gun nut who wants everybody to be scared and armed just like you. Have you always been a coward, or did something happen to you?

Annnnnd.......you can't refute my information, the truth or reality.....so now you go on the attack....

I would never attack someone who has displayed the all encompassing fear that you have. Someone who fears life 24/7 to the point that he thinks he needs a gun to protect himself should be treated delicately. I don't want to make your psychosis worse than it is.

 

[BULLDOG]

England population 53, 000,000 homicides 580
ST louis population 300,000 homicides 188
that's one city vs a country

Britain always had a low murder rate....our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate.........and after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate has gone up, not down....

They are an island....they banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime rate is going up...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Banning and confiscating guns didn't lower their gun crime or their gun murder rates....

Now....they too are cutting their police numbers, their police money, and they are attacking their police with Politically Correct policies........added to that, they are importing violent people who are taking over their drug trades......and using guns more and more.....and their social welfare state can't civilize their poor, young males anymore...

That is driving their gun crime rate and their violent crime rate....

0.23 per 100,000

Any of the European countries especially the western ones are what not to be like… we need to reject the cesspool that is Europe

Hard to reject 0.23 per 100,000 gun related deaths. You think it's better to have more dead people due to guns?

The low gun murder rate in Britain....was low before they banned and confiscated guns.....their criminals had guns then, and didn't use them to commit murder.....

Now...after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun murder rate at first.....went up....then it went back to where it was before they banned guns....and now? It is going up because:

--they are cutting the number of police.

--they are cutting the money they give to the police in order to spend it on welfar.

--they are importing violent people from 3rd World countries who are now running their drug gangs...and they are using guns more often...

--their social welfare state has destroyed their cultures ability to civilize poor, young males.....

And now, their gun crime rate is going up....their gun control laws had nothing to do with their previous gun crime rate, and it isn't stopping the increase now...

Yet they still have a 0.23 per 100,000 gun related death rate. They're doing something right.

 

[2aguy]

Except....banning and confiscating guns didn't reduce their gun murder rate....it was low before they put it into law, and then it went up after they passed it....so it failed.....

Oh, no, he's going to spooge gun nut propaganda!

Now...their gun crime rate in London is up 42%....our gun crime rate went down 75% since the 90s......and their violent crime rate is through the roof....

Again, they have 48 gun murders a year, and we have 11,000. I'll take their numbers any day of the week.

Then you will have to trade their criminals for our criminals....is that possible? Their criminals, in the past, have not been prone to murdering each other....our kill each other over facebook insults...different criminal cultures.

However, as their welfare state has created more and more single teenage girl mothers, their ability to civilize their poor, young males is failing....their level of violence...and gun crime, is increasing....while our gun crime rate is decreasing....

If you're saying that Americans are inherently more violent than Brits...why would you want Americans to have guns?!

No...what I am saying is that American criminals have been more prone to commit murder than their British criminal counterparts....but that is now changing....Britain is more violent than the U.S.......

Why would I want more AMericans to have more guns...because law abiding Americans aren't using their guns to commit crime....in fact, according to bill clinton, his Department of Justice study...and barak obama, his Centers for Disease control study....show that law abiding Americans use their guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop criminals.....

And over the last 21 years.....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
Concealed carry permit number....
New Study: Over 16.3 million concealed handgun permits, last year saw the largest increase ever in number of permits - Crime Prevention Research Center

actual study...

Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2017 by John R. Lott :: SSRN

 

[2aguy]

Except....banning and confiscating guns didn't reduce their gun murder rate....it was low before they put it into law, and then it went up after they passed it....so it failed.....

Oh, no, he's going to spooge gun nut propaganda!

Now...their gun crime rate in London is up 42%....our gun crime rate went down 75% since the 90s......and their violent crime rate is through the roof....

Again, they have 48 gun murders a year, and we have 11,000. I'll take their numbers any day of the week.

Then you will have to trade their criminals for our criminals....is that possible? Their criminals, in the past, have not been prone to murdering each other....our kill each other over facebook insults...different criminal cultures.

However, as their welfare state has created more and more single teenage girl mothers, their ability to civilize their poor, young males is failing....their level of violence...and gun crime, is increasing....while our gun crime rate is decreasing....

If you're saying that Americans are inherently more violent than Brits...why would you want Americans to have guns?!

People kill people not firearms... most people learn that in grade school

So why do we end up with so many dead people with bullets in them?

Because our criminals shoot each other more often than British criminals shoot each other.....70-80% of gun murder victims are criminals..with long histories of crime and violence.....

And as you keep ignoring....times are changing...Britain is becoming far more violent than the United States....and their murder rate is going to go up as well...and their people don't have guns to stop the killers...

 

[2aguy]

Britain always had a low murder rate....our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate.........and after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate has gone up, not down....

They are an island....they banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime rate is going up...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Banning and confiscating guns didn't lower their gun crime or their gun murder rates....

Now....they too are cutting their police numbers, their police money, and they are attacking their police with Politically Correct policies........added to that, they are importing violent people who are taking over their drug trades......and using guns more and more.....and their social welfare state can't civilize their poor, young males anymore...

That is driving their gun crime rate and their violent crime rate....

0.23 per 100,000

Hmmmm...you still don't understand the problem......they banned and confiscated guns.....

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

I understand the problem. You're just a gun nut who wants everybody to be scared and armed just like you. Have you always been a coward, or did something happen to you?

Annnnnd.......you can't refute my information, the truth or reality.....so now you go on the attack....

I would never attack someone who has displayed the all encompassing fear that you have. Someone who fears life 24/7 to the point that he thinks he needs a gun to protect himself should be treated delicately. I don't want to make your psychosis worse than it is.

Of the two of us...you are the one who is afraid of 16.3 million Americans carrying guns for self defense...not me. You reek of fear.......that is what controls your emotions on gun control topics...your fear....

 

[BULLDOG]

Oh, no, he's going to spooge gun nut propaganda!

Again, they have 48 gun murders a year, and we have 11,000. I'll take their numbers any day of the week.

Then you will have to trade their criminals for our criminals....is that possible? Their criminals, in the past, have not been prone to murdering each other....our kill each other over facebook insults...different criminal cultures.

However, as their welfare state has created more and more single teenage girl mothers, their ability to civilize their poor, young males is failing....their level of violence...and gun crime, is increasing....while our gun crime rate is decreasing....

If you're saying that Americans are inherently more violent than Brits...why would you want Americans to have guns?!

People kill people not firearms... most people learn that in grade school

So why do we end up with so many dead people with bullets in them?

Because our criminals shoot each other more often than British criminals shoot each other.....70-80% of gun murder victims are criminals..with long histories of crime and violence.....

And as you keep ignoring....times are changing...Britain is becoming far more violent than the United States....and their murder rate is going to go up as well...and their people don't have guns to stop the killers...

Get back with me when they start shooting as many people as we do.

 

[2aguy]

Britain always had a low murder rate....our non gun murder rate is higher than their total murder rate.........and after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun crime rate has gone up, not down....

They are an island....they banned and confiscated guns.....their gun crime rate is going up...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Banning and confiscating guns didn't lower their gun crime or their gun murder rates....

Now....they too are cutting their police numbers, their police money, and they are attacking their police with Politically Correct policies........added to that, they are importing violent people who are taking over their drug trades......and using guns more and more.....and their social welfare state can't civilize their poor, young males anymore...

That is driving their gun crime rate and their violent crime rate....

0.23 per 100,000

Any of the European countries especially the western ones are what not to be like… we need to reject the cesspool that is Europe

Hard to reject 0.23 per 100,000 gun related deaths. You think it's better to have more dead people due to guns?

The low gun murder rate in Britain....was low before they banned and confiscated guns.....their criminals had guns then, and didn't use them to commit murder.....

Now...after they banned and confiscated guns...their gun murder rate at first.....went up....then it went back to where it was before they banned guns....and now? It is going up because:

--they are cutting the number of police.

--they are cutting the money they give to the police in order to spend it on welfar.

--they are importing violent people from 3rd World countries who are now running their drug gangs...and they are using guns more often...

--their social welfare state has destroyed their cultures ability to civilize poor, young males.....

And now, their gun crime rate is going up....their gun control laws had nothing to do with their previous gun crime rate, and it isn't stopping the increase now...

Yet they still have a 0.23 per 100,000 gun related death rate. They're doing something right.

And you are wrong.....since their gun crime rate throughout their country is going up...

Crime rise is biggest in a decade, ONS figures show

Ministers will also be concerned that the country is becoming increasingly violent in nature, with gun crime rising 23% to 6,375 offences, largely driven by an increase in the use of handguns.

And the gun crime rate in London, their capitol....is up....

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.


These increases are happening...

--they are cutting the number of police they have.

--they are taking money from the police and giving it to their welfare programs

--they are importing violent immigrants.

--they can no longer civilize their young, welfare dependent men....