2aguy
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The only argument the anti gunners make when we want to support the 2nd Amendment is that allowing peole to own guns will increase crime and murder....
21 years after the push for carrying guns, going from 4.7 million people carrying guns, to over 15.7 million people...the gun murder rate is down 49%...the gun crime rate is down 75%, and the violent crime rate is down 72%...
The anti gunners were wrong.
The next argument they made....allowing normal, law abiding people to carry guns without permits...will increase gun crime and gun murder........they say this every time a new state passes these laws...
And every single time they are wrong...
they are wrong again...
A year in, no big deal with permitless carry
COEUR d’ALENE — Exactly one year after it went into effect, an Idaho gun law that allows people to carry concealed firearms without a permit has had little effect on crime rates, state law enforcement officials said.
It has, however, impacted the number of Idaho concealed carry permits being issued, some firearm trainers said.
The law allows most residents age 21 or older to carry concealed guns without a permit inside Idaho’s cities, in bars and in most government buildings.
When the Idaho Legislature enacted its permitless firearms concealed carry law a year ago, it was not without warnings from a broad spectrum, including anti-gun groups and Idaho chiefs of police.
The warnings are still in place, but so far, adverse results haven’t materialized.
“We believe dismantling the longstanding and effective permitting system without taking additional precautionary steps will weaken public safety,” Bill Bones, Jeff Lavey and Rick Allen, chiefs of police in Ada County, wrote in a letter to the Idaho Statesman last year.
“Our concealed weapons licensing system is the only way to determine the person is not a felon or dangerous person prohibited from possessing firearms.”
Coeur d’Alene Police concur that the permitless carry law has disabled at least one tool police used to check felons for firearms, but Detective Jared Reneau said the state’s latest gun law seems to have had little effect on crime rates in Coeur d’Alene.
“It hasn’t been a topic of discussion,” he said. “We haven’t noticed a significant increase.”
So far, 12 states — the number has increased from eight a year ago — have adopted permitless concealed carry firearms laws. They include Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, and West Virginia.
In Nez Perce County, Idaho’s most gun-friendly county where an estimated 59 percent of residents own guns — the highest rate in the state — Sheriff Joe Rodriguez said his department did not anticipate an increase in gun crimes a year ago when permitless carry became law.
“The way we look at, we live in the Northwest. Everyone has a firearm,” Rodriguez said.
His officers are trained to be alert for weapons, and permitless carry didn’t change that. It didn’t affect crime rates either, he said.
“Nothing has changed,” Rodriguez said.
21 years after the push for carrying guns, going from 4.7 million people carrying guns, to over 15.7 million people...the gun murder rate is down 49%...the gun crime rate is down 75%, and the violent crime rate is down 72%...
The anti gunners were wrong.
The next argument they made....allowing normal, law abiding people to carry guns without permits...will increase gun crime and gun murder........they say this every time a new state passes these laws...
And every single time they are wrong...
they are wrong again...
A year in, no big deal with permitless carry
COEUR d’ALENE — Exactly one year after it went into effect, an Idaho gun law that allows people to carry concealed firearms without a permit has had little effect on crime rates, state law enforcement officials said.
It has, however, impacted the number of Idaho concealed carry permits being issued, some firearm trainers said.
The law allows most residents age 21 or older to carry concealed guns without a permit inside Idaho’s cities, in bars and in most government buildings.
When the Idaho Legislature enacted its permitless firearms concealed carry law a year ago, it was not without warnings from a broad spectrum, including anti-gun groups and Idaho chiefs of police.
The warnings are still in place, but so far, adverse results haven’t materialized.
“We believe dismantling the longstanding and effective permitting system without taking additional precautionary steps will weaken public safety,” Bill Bones, Jeff Lavey and Rick Allen, chiefs of police in Ada County, wrote in a letter to the Idaho Statesman last year.
“Our concealed weapons licensing system is the only way to determine the person is not a felon or dangerous person prohibited from possessing firearms.”
Coeur d’Alene Police concur that the permitless carry law has disabled at least one tool police used to check felons for firearms, but Detective Jared Reneau said the state’s latest gun law seems to have had little effect on crime rates in Coeur d’Alene.
“It hasn’t been a topic of discussion,” he said. “We haven’t noticed a significant increase.”
So far, 12 states — the number has increased from eight a year ago — have adopted permitless concealed carry firearms laws. They include Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Maine, Mississippi, Missouri, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming, and West Virginia.
In Nez Perce County, Idaho’s most gun-friendly county where an estimated 59 percent of residents own guns — the highest rate in the state — Sheriff Joe Rodriguez said his department did not anticipate an increase in gun crimes a year ago when permitless carry became law.
“The way we look at, we live in the Northwest. Everyone has a firearm,” Rodriguez said.
His officers are trained to be alert for weapons, and permitless carry didn’t change that. It didn’t affect crime rates either, he said.
“Nothing has changed,” Rodriguez said.
