Zero-bail policy takes effect in Los Angeles County, ending traditional cash system

[Muhammed]

I'm sure you can find at least one or two exceptions.

But like an idiot, the one or two exceptions you've heard of, you think that disproves my comment.

Let me ask you, are you saying that our legal system has a habit of convicting innocent people?

It isn't 1 or 2 exceptions, moron. It's millions of people.

It is very common for people who cannot afford bail to get arrested for a crime they did not commit and then agree to plead guilty anyways because they simply cannot afford to plead not guilty at pretrial.

For some people, sitting in jail for months waiting for trial could mean they lose their job, get evicted from their home, have their vehicle(s) impounded or repossessed and have all of their belongings including their clothes, pets, furniture, weapons, musical instruments, family photo albums and the tools of their trade that they use to make a living tossed to the curb and looted. And what doesn't get looted gets taken to the dump. And they are left with nothing but the outfit they were wearing the day they were arrested for a crime they did not commit.

So yes, facing certain homelessness and destitution if they fight the case and prove their innocence, vs. time served and stiff fines, if they just plead guilty, many poor people will plead guilty to a crime they did not commit.

The Criminal Justice Industrial Complex is a fucking scam.

Naive people such as yourself are the only ones who don't know that.

 

[Lastamender]

Yeah, something like that could work. I would even go as far as saying that you forfeit cashless bail for any arrest after your first.

Well, that would be the same day for a shitload of criminals.

 

[Markle]

I was initially a supporter of zero bail only because I knew someone who several years back was falsely accused of a crime, arrested, and spent the night in jail. He didn't have a lot of money at the time, but he was fortunate enough to have middle class parents he could call the next morning who were able to post his bail. There are a lot of lower income people out there, however, who don't have that option. Had he not had that option, he would have sat in jail for three months until his trial date at which the ADA dropped the case against him anyway because she said the witness was unreliable. Despite that, he still had to pay his parents back for posting the bail, not to mention the attorney's fees, so he was out $5k over a false accusation.

We have a justice system for the wealthy and the poor get jammed up in the system all the time, so I thought the idea of zero bail had merit because it allowed everyone to be on even footing. However, New York went through with this experiment and it's been a monumental disaster. Petty crime skyrocketed in the aftermath and dangerous people are routinely let out on the streets and Los Angeles will be no different. We went from one extreme to the other, but I still think some reform needs to be made so those who are disadvantaged don't get caught up in the system. There has to be a happy medium somewhere.

Zero-bail policy takes effect in Los Angeles County, ending traditional cash system

A controversial zero-bail policy is now in effect in Los Angeles County, ending the years-long standard of setting cash bail amounts for defendants.

abc7.com

What we had was working. That's a happy medium.

 

[Markle]

In 2021 the CA Supreme Court ruled that detaining someone for a long period before a trial was unjust. Many are held for 1 to 3 years without seeing a judge at all. That sucks. Especially if it was a misdemeanor and the defendant can't afford bail, let alone an attorney.
That's what happens when too many are arrested, overcrowded jails, shitloads of cases, and not enough judges or judges that have too many excuses not to stick to their calendar. The costs to hold a prisoner is outrageous. Such a conundrum.

Okfine, what is a "fair" number of criminals we should arrest?

As to the cost of holding criminals, how is the alternative working out?

 

[mudwhistle]

It isn't 1 or 2 exceptions, moron. It's millions of people.

It is very common for people who cannot afford bail to get arrested for a crime they did not commit and they agree to plead guilty anyways because they simply cannot afford to plead not guilty at pretrial.

For some people, sitting in jail for months waiting for trial could mean they lose their job, get evicted from their home, have their vehicle(s) impounded or repossessed and have all of their belongings including their clothes, pets, furniture, weapons, musical instruments, family photo albums and the tools of their trade that they use to make a living tossed to the curb and looted. And what doesn't get looted gets taken to the dump. And they are left with nothing but the outfit they were wearing the day they were arrested for a crime they did not commit.

So yes, facing certain homelessness and destitution if they fight the case and prove their innocence, vs. time served and stiff fines, if they just plead guilty, many poor people will plead guilty to a crime they did not commit.

The Criminal Justice Industrial Complex is a fucking scam.

Naive people such as yourself are the only ones who don't know that.

I know better than you....because I had to visit my brother in prison for years.

As if you gave a flying-fuck about all of the Jan 6th political-prisoners currently waiting on trial for trespassing.

Take your fucking opinions about this and shove them up where the Sun don't shine.

 

[Markle]

The problem is I do think bail is a scam but at the same time, there are so many people who live in drama that they are regulars in the courthouse, not having it just encourages them to be involved in more drama. I don't have a solution unless it is "three strikes and you are back to posting a bond".

 

[Polishprince]

The key to dealing with the lootings in major US Shithole cities is facial recognition software. We saw how well it worked in finding trespassing suspects in the Fake Insurrection case.

Nabbing these looters and bringing them back to be shot on site, would put and end to this.

 

[Markle]

It isn't 1 or 2 exceptions, moron. It's millions of people.

It is very common for people who cannot afford bail to get arrested for a crime they did not commit and then agree to plead guilty anyways because they simply cannot afford to plead not guilty at pretrial.

One of the more hair-brained posts of the week!

That just makes no sense, whatsoever.

 

[mudwhistle]

You don't know jack shit. Go watch some hooves, you fuckin' simpleton moron.

I know better than you do.

 

[mudwhistle]

The key to dealing with the lootings in major US Shithole cities is facial recognition software. We saw how well it worked in finding trespassing suspects in the Fake Insurrection case.

Nabbing these looters and bringing them back to be shot on site, would put and end to this.

They can check their phone records because most of these perps can't walk 10 feet without checking their cell phones.

 

[Muhammed]

One of the more hair-brained posts of the week!

That just makes no sense, whatsoever.

What part does your feeble mind fail to comprehend?

Were you unaware that being in jail is expensive and that many working class people who are living paycheck to paycheck simply cannot afford to lose their job, home and vehicle while they await trial in a jail cell for months with no income.

On average it takes months for a criminal case to go to trial. While they are presumed innocent and awaiting trial, in JAIL, because they couldn't pay bail, 3 important things are happening outside of jail.

1) They miss thier first payment on their car, the next day it can be repossessed.

2) They miss a month's rent payment, they can be evicted in 35 days. All of their possessions are taken out of their home and put on the curb by the Sheriff's department. They lose everything.

3) Most employers will replace someone who doesn't show up to work for months.

Which of those three things do you fail to comprehend?

So even if that person goes to trial and easily wins the case, when they get out of jail after being found not guilty by a jury of their peers they also find themselves broke, jobless and homeless on the street with no possessions except for the clothes they had on their back the day they day they were arrested for a crime they did not commit. That would suck! Especially if they got arrested on September afternoon wearing shorts and a t-shirt and got released in January in sub-zero temperatures during a blizzard.

Therefore, they plead guilty to a crime they did not commit, because they do not want to be broke, jobless and homeless.

What part of that do you fail to comprehend? Are you really that stupid, or just trolling?

 

[Markle]

What part does your feeble mind fail to comprehend?

Were you unaware that being in jail is expensive and that many working class people who are living paycheck to paycheck simply cannot afford to lose their job, home and vehicle while they await trial in a jail cell for months with no income.

On average it takes months for a criminal case to go to trial. While they are presumed innocent and awaiting trial, in JAIL, because they couldn't pay bail, 3 important things are happening outside of jail.

1) They miss thier first payment on their car, the next day it can be repossessed.

2) They miss a month's rent payment, they can be evicted in 35 days. All of their possessions are taken out of their home and put on the curb by the Sheriff's department. They lose everything.

3) Most employers will replace someone who doesn't show up to work for months.

Which of those three things do you fail to comprehend?

So even if that person goes to trial and easily wins the case, when they get out of jail after being found not guilty by a jury of their peers they also find themselves broke, jobless and homeless on the street with no possessions except for the clothes they had on their back the day they day they were arrested for a crime they did not commit. That would suck! Especially if they got arrested on September afternoon wearing shorts and a t-shirt and got released in January in sub-zero temperatures during a blizzard.

Therefore, they plead guilty to a crime they did not commit, because they do not want to be broke, jobless and homeless.

What part of that do you fail to comprehend? Are you really that stupid, or just trolling?

 

[Muhammed]

I know better than you do.

Could you explain to the forum, the convoluted reasoning that you used to come to that stupid conclusion, you fucking moron?

Of course you cannot, because you're an idiot. You're so fucking dumb that you watch hooves for entertainment.

 

[Flash]

Hey, lets not put the criminals in jail and just them go, what could possibly go wrong?

 

[Flash]

No matter how stupid you think Liberals are they will always come up with something even more stupid, like not keeping criminals in jail.

Idiots!