Your Helthcare is comming like it or not!!

[WillowTree]

I'm sure the massive layoffs in the healthcare industry, like those among car dealers, will have no political considerations whatsoever.

how many people do you think got a fair shake from the democrats when they bought the car companies???

 

[sealybobo]

Canada spends barely over half of what we do in the US, and that is the reason they are having so many problems. Healthcare is not cheap, but we are on the other end of the spectrum. We pay the absolute highest amount for our healthcare, but many are left out completely. So, what you can derive from this is that both systems are bad. The Canadian system would be much better if Canadian's chose to spend just a little bit more. If they increased spending on healthcare by 50%, they would still be paying much less than what we pay in the US, and they would have all the choices they could want, along with top quality care and service.

The money we would save could send every college kid to school for free.

you'd pay that money in taxes you stupid fuck.

I'm just stating a fact. I didn't say I wanted to pay for college. Although, we pay for K thru 12. Why not college. If it is sooo important to have an educated workforce.

 

[auditor0007]

auditor that where tighter regulation and controls come into play, for people in your situation for example it would be nothing for the Govt. to incent companies lets say with tax breaks to provide low cost insurance programs for people such as you or perhaps as they do in other programs if an insurance company wishes to provide coverage in a market place they must have a percentage base of low cost insured. Personally I see this as a proper oversight issue that so far the Govt. has failed miserably at.

You know why I can't get affordable insurance? It's because I moved from one state to another. I had a decent policy at a reasonable rate, but because it was a private policy, I can't get a similar policy in the state I moved to. They will give me a GI plan that is double the rate with a deductible five times higher than I had previously. On my old plan, my total yearly out of pocket cost with deductibles and everything came to around $6000 for me, not including my kids. Now, my costs will rise to over $15,000 just for me.

The insurance companies don't want government intervention, but at the same time, they will do whatever they can to deny coverage to anyone who may actually need the insurance they provide. The government tried to address this with the new Hipaa rules, but that only pertains to employees working for companies that provide insurance. For the self-employed, there are no rules.

 

[elvis]

Why should I pay for someone else's kid to go to college for free?

You people are incorrigible.

can you say parasites?

Who's the bigger parasite, bobo or chris?

 

[sealybobo]

Why should I pay for someone else's kid to go to college for free?

You people are incorrigible.

can you say parasites?

Who's the bigger parasite, bobo or chris?

Chris is the man. You guys are just ignorant. What I wonder is, which of you are doing it on purpose and which of you are truly this dumb.

 

[WillowTree]

auditor that where tighter regulation and controls come into play, for people in your situation for example it would be nothing for the Govt. to incent companies lets say with tax breaks to provide low cost insurance programs for people such as you or perhaps as they do in other programs if an insurance company wishes to provide coverage in a market place they must have a percentage base of low cost insured. Personally I see this as a proper oversight issue that so far the Govt. has failed miserably at.

You know why I can't get affordable insurance? It's because I moved from one state to another. I had a decent policy at a reasonable rate, but because it was a private policy, I can't get a similar policy in the state I moved to. They will give me a GI plan that is double the rate with a deductible five times higher than I had previously. On my old plan, my total yearly out of pocket cost with deductibles and everything came to around $6000 for me, not including my kids. Now, my costs will rise to over $15,000 just for me.

The insurance companies don't want government intervention, but at the same time, they will do whatever they can to deny coverage to anyone who may actually need the insurance they provide. The government tried to address this with the new Hipaa rules, but that only pertains to employees working for companies that provide insurance. For the self-employed, there are no rules.

McCain had a plan for that (I think obama is trying to steal it) McCain wanted Americans to be able to shop anywhere they wanted in any state for affordable insurance..

 

[WillowTree]

Why should I pay for someone else's kid to go to college for free?

You people are incorrigible.

can you say parasites?

Who's the bigger parasite, bobo or chris?

oh bobo.. for sure,, hands down..he wants to sit on his fat ass in deeetroooiiit city all day on the internet,, cheat his boss outta his wages, whine and bitch to us about how oppressed he is and he still wants what you worked for.. it's bobo..

 

[Navy1960]

sealy, I will admit I'm wrong when I am but in the case I'm right, you see the problem here is this nation has become an entitlement nation , rather than earn the things they wish to have the would rather have their neighbor pay for it or have someone else provide it to them. Now while it may sound cruel to some that you must go out and earn the things you wish to have it is in fact not cruel but giving you the opportunity to live your life as you see fit. I have made more than a few suggestions as to how easily health coverage costs can be brought down, but that entitlement mentality keeps getting in the way. This nation is one where you get what you earn through your hard work and sacrifice or it was once, however now , it's what people think they are owed simply for sucking in oxygen. If you want to change the state of healthcre coverage in your area what is stopping you from becomming a local health insureance provider for your block? money? apply for a grant, see what I mean. I think if more people spent less time complaining and more time doing then we might be able to resolve this issue without having to tear down a framwork of Govt. thats been in place for over 200 years.

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

What's the moral imperative of LYING to people about what this really is, or getting it passed faster than they can get the details on it?

Who do you people think you are?

 

[sealybobo]

can you say parasites?

Who's the bigger parasite, bobo or chris?

oh bobo.. for sure,, hands down..he wants to sit on his fat ass in deeetroooiiit city all day on the internet,, cheat his boss outta his wages, whine and bitch to us about how oppressed he is and he still wants what you worked for.. it's bobo..

What are you doing right now other than giving yourself a landing strip with the razor?

 

[Fraulein Hilda]

Who's the bigger parasite, bobo or chris?

oh bobo.. for sure,, hands down..he wants to sit on his fat ass in deeetroooiiit city all day on the internet,, cheat his boss outta his wages, whine and bitch to us about how oppressed he is and he still wants what you worked for.. it's bobo..

What are you doing right now other than giving yourself a landing strip with the razor?

And he's a pervert, too!

 

[WillowTree]

oh bobo.. for sure,, hands down..he wants to sit on his fat ass in deeetroooiiit city all day on the internet,, cheat his boss outta his wages, whine and bitch to us about how oppressed he is and he still wants what you worked for.. it's bobo..

What are you doing right now other than giving yourself a landing strip with the razor?

And he's a pervert, too!

he's a pig,, already oinking around in the stockade.. don't worry about him..

 

[sealybobo]

sealy, I will admit I'm wrong when I am but in the case I'm right, you see the problem here is this nation has become an entitlement nation , rather than earn the things they wish to have the would rather have their neighbor pay for it or have someone else provide it to them. Now while it may sound cruel to some that you must go out and earn the things you wish to have it is in fact not cruel but giving you the opportunity to live your life as you see fit. I have made more than a few suggestions as to how easily health coverage costs can be brought down, but that entitlement mentality keeps getting in the way. This nation is one where you get what you earn through your hard work and sacrifice or it was once, however now , it's what people think they are owed simply for sucking in oxygen. If you want to change the state of healthcre coverage in your area what is stopping you from becomming a local health insureance provider for your block? money? apply for a grant, see what I mean. I think if more people spent less time complaining and more time doing then we might be able to resolve this issue without having to tear down a framwork of Govt. thats been in place for over 200 years.

It has nothing to do with entitlements and earning it!!! Healthcare insurance companies are out of fucking control. Thats what it is all about. Its about they are offering us shit and charging us a fortune.

Of course you want them to be free to do it, and you think free markets and competition will fix the problem??? Do you really? Because its really a monopoly. Something has to be done. Whether its single payer or not, something has to be done.

Healthcare should be a right of every citizens.

And I didn't even mention that anyone can go to an emergency room and get treated. And the government has to pick up the check. So really, we do have nationalized healthcare. LOL.

But this way it is costing us more.

How about we set it up like the Federal Reserve? Its run by the private insurers but there is some government control too.


Gotta go. Loved debating with you today. You're good. You're dead wrong, but you're good.

Someone else paying for my healthcare. Yea! Exactly!!! That's how it works. We all pay in and that lowers the costs.

And if you get really sick, you don't have to pay a fortune because we spread the risk out.

 

[WillowTree]

I'm sure the massive layoffs in the healthcare industry, like those among car dealers, will have no political considerations whatsoever.

how many people do you think got a fair shake from the democrats when they bought the car companies???

bobo reallly really really really "hated" this question.. wonder why he dosen't answer it doyathink??

 

[Navy1960]

auditor, again these kinds of things you are going through can be easily addressed with proper oversight and changes in HiPPA regs that close those sorts of loopsholes. To me there is no incentive or motivation for those insurance carriers to do anything at the moment soo perhaps if Congress were actually acting like one, then maybe just maybe they would light a fire under the ass of these Insurance carriers as I said earlier in the form of tax incentives, new regs. new markets etc. My suggestion to you would be to contact your Senator and get them moving as soon as possble on this. In fact I would be interested to know how it all turns out for you .. and you have my sincere wishes that it all works out for the best.

 

[sealybobo]

sealy, I will admit I'm wrong when I am but in the case I'm right, you see the problem here is this nation has become an entitlement nation , rather than earn the things they wish to have the would rather have their neighbor pay for it or have someone else provide it to them. Now while it may sound cruel to some that you must go out and earn the things you wish to have it is in fact not cruel but giving you the opportunity to live your life as you see fit. I have made more than a few suggestions as to how easily health coverage costs can be brought down, but that entitlement mentality keeps getting in the way. This nation is one where you get what you earn through your hard work and sacrifice or it was once, however now , it's what people think they are owed simply for sucking in oxygen. If you want to change the state of healthcre coverage in your area what is stopping you from becomming a local health insureance provider for your block? money? apply for a grant, see what I mean. I think if more people spent less time complaining and more time doing then we might be able to resolve this issue without having to tear down a framwork of Govt. thats been in place for over 200 years.

2003: A small part of the deficit is related to the cost of the Iraq invasion and occupation, and roughly 70 percent of the positive uptick in the last quarter's economic activity was from payments to defense contractors for the invasion itself (private for-profit Republican-supporting companies get about a third of all the money we're spending every month in Iraq). Profits from the occupation help Halliburton, but don't create many jobs in Peoria.

Blood, Oil, and Tears - and the 2004 Bush Campaign Strategy

 

[sealybobo]

I'm sure the massive layoffs in the healthcare industry, like those among car dealers, will have no political considerations whatsoever.

how many people do you think got a fair shake from the democrats when they bought the car companies???

bobo reallly really really really "hated" this question.. wonder why he dosen't answer it doyathink??

Its a vague stupid question. It proves the questioner doesn't understand whats going on. Neither do you.

 

[Navy1960]

While I have no clue why your not talking about this on another thread, I suppose your trying to use a woulda, coulda, shoulda, argument here. In that if we woulda. etc. etc. etc, diverting funds from deployed US Military Operations in Iraq an elsewhere for lets say, coulda have paid for this unconstitutional healthcare program you are talking about is that it? Well you do know sealy I could use the same argument don't you? Let me see, what about had we not spent 750 Billion on a stimulus plan for the economy to create a negative 1 million plus jobs since March perhaps you might have some money in that fund too is that it? Well then there is that little constitutional issue getting in the way again too. However a little note on the jobs creation thing, I can assure you, that the Defense industry is just about the only heavy industry left in this country and as for creating jobs here, I can think of a lot of people who work on the AH-64 who might disagree with you. Oh and by the way did I mention most of them are members of the UAW. Here is a little article though sealy for you to chew on. These are some Boeing employment numbers, you know them the company that pretty much is the last American Maker of commerical aricraft in this country?

The Boeing Co.'s company-wide employment fell to 158,574 workers in May -- and the biggest numerical drop came from the state with the most workers: Washington.

Employment data reflect Boeing's slimming workforce

However, getting back to the thread topic, it doesn't change the fact that this noble effort to insure everyone in the face of this train wreck of an economy that of course no Democrat had anything at all to do with * thats humor* will be a disaster of epic proportions. As was the auto bail-out, and the so-called Stimulus.

 

[Luissa]

I love how countries that have been around for a lot longer than we have, maybe not be the same government all have socialized medicine. Even in BCE China they had a form of socialism because of the amount of people they had even then and with warlords, peasants were starving because the little amount of farmable land they had. They realised the system was not working because only the elite class was thriving while the peasants had nothing to improve their lifestyle.
You are never going to stop the high cost of health care with the current methods either.

 

[Navy1960]

Luissa,

I had posted this on a different thread but thought it worth posting here as well. While many people seem to tout the benefits of Canada, the U.K. and others as systems that are somehow better than our's I find it ironic that within those same countries they are screaming for more of what we have while many here are screaming for more of what they have.

Back in the 1960s, Castonguay chaired a Canadian government committee studying health reform and recommended that his home province of Quebec — then the largest and most affluent in the country — adopt government-administered health care, covering all citizens through tax levies.

The government followed his advice, leading to his modern-day moniker: "the father of Quebec medicare." Even this title seems modest; Castonguay's work triggered a domino effect across the country, until eventually his ideas were implemented from coast to coast.

Four decades later, as the chairman of a government committee reviewing Quebec health care this year, Castonguay concluded that the system is in "crisis."

"We thought we could resolve the system's problems by rationing services or injecting massive amounts of new money into it," says Castonguay. But now he prescribes a radical overhaul: "We are proposing to give a greater role to the private sector so that people can exercise freedom of choice."

IBDeditorials.com: Editorials, Political Cartoons, and Polls from Investor's Business Daily -- Canadian Health Care We So Envy Lies In Ruins, Its Architect Admits

I thought it interesting that one of the founders of the Canadian model is talking about things like crisis,costs,lack of care and then wanting freedom of choice. I am and always have been of the opinion that once you give up a freedom it is never returned to you. So in my humble opnion it would be a tragic mistake to give up our freedom to make our own healthcare choices.