You want to fix schools?

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  1. longknife
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    As a matter of fact I have. Pretty poor examples of so-called educated officials.

    My suggestion was based upon an assumption of districts hiring QUALIFIED counselors.
     
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    You seem to be an idealist. Yes, on paper this is how the bureaucracy called a Unified School District works. In reality it is quite different.

    I'm not satisfied, so I call the teacher. Teacher says it's not her problem, she is underfunded, understaffed, has too many students, too many regulations, has to "teach to the test", etc, etc, etc. Oh, by the way, gotta put kids on medication.

    Go to Principal. Same story, not enough teachers, not enough money, too many kids, too many regulations. "Thank you for your time Mr. Boatswain, I will talk to the teacher about it and we will get things fixed. Now I have to run to another meeting."

    Go to the school board which, in your major cities, are all run by Democrats, who blame the lack of funding.

    If you want to see a great story about what happens when idealism like yours meets reality, then watch the movie "Waiting for Superman" and you will get an idea of what works. It is a story about a guy who tried to change the system from within and found that IT CANNOT BE CHANGED, so he went outside of the system and started his own private schools which are excelling (even while taking students from the lowest economic strata).
     
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    It isn't free.
     
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    How is it not going to help if people who want the best for their children get to make decisions about it?
     
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    Because he doesn't actually mean "politicized", he means "schools don't indoctrinate kids into my worldview".
     
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    - A national testing standard.
    - If kids don't pass the test, they don't advance to the next grade.
    - Eliminate school sports. It's a massive money suck and there is no reason the public should be subsidizing hobbies.
    - Tracking at the high school level (and possibly earlier).
     
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    1. Vouchers

    2. Standardized tests administered by independent bodies.

    Teachers unions will oppose the above for obvious reasons.
     
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    Keep doing things the same way, and cut the only thing that gives kids a chance to be kids? this is your recipe for improving schools?
     
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    We don't have any of those things today, except tracking in some jurisdictions.
     
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    Idealist, No.

    Parent, Student, Teacher, Administrator within a public school system in the USA, Yes.

    You seem to be a Partisan, more interested in blaming, "school boards...run by Democrats" than actually doing anything

    You seem to be easily dominated, simply accepting that the Principal will, "talk to the teacher about it, and get things fixed."

    You seem to have accepted as stereotypical that every teacher will answer every issue with the reply, "its not my problem."

    It is exactly this prejudice, complicity, and partisanship that is the root cause of problems within the local US systems.
     

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