You guys really do need to leash your activist mod

[Coyote]

Gee, that didn't take long! Thanks for making my point Mrs. C-- -- do you really think Natural Citizen was intending to "dance to[o] close to the line of the rule?" WHAT rule? What line? Are you people so out of touch that you think we members see all these "lines?" How can you dance along the edge of a rule when many rules are so vague in their definition, arbitrarily imposed AND often said to be not even written down anywhere as is often said?!

Yes. I do. I think I said this before, this isn’t our first rodeo with Natural Citizen. He has a habit of pushing on the rules just to stir the pot. He has said as much. And this is not the first (or second) thread he has started when he’s gotten spanked.

WHAT rule demands that a post making a lighthearted comment about people nagging be removed as off-topic trolling, yet permits flotsam like Unkatore to post off topic trolling like his Boo Hoo above (which I only saw because I removed the IGNORE function to see what the Retired Sarge was referring to)?

ok. This is the thread: Why Do You Guys Keep Telling Us that White Racism is in the Past?

It is in Race/Race Relations
It has a topic, defined in the OP. Like it or don’t, but you can can attack each of his points instead of attacking the poster. That applies in Zone and it applied in Zone 2 where it originally was: posts need to have some topical content in addition to any flames. This, and the others deleted, did not. And in Zone 1 you have the added rule of no flaming. So right there are multiple rules without going into the issue of racial slurs and the word filter. And, to listen to him, you would think he’d been infracted and banned. But no, his one trolling off topic post was deleted.

That is it.

Rules which are inconsistently and unevenly applied are simply not rules at all, but too often simply decompose into becomeing weapons to be wielded against members people don't like.

We do our best. The left bitches and the right bitches, each feels unfairly treated or that tbe other is privileges. What can I say Toob?

 

[Coyote]

Gee, I wonder what mod is out of con-trol........................

Pick a number.

 

[EvMetro]

I just had a perfectly legal, relevant post that was made in response to another poster deleted, accompanied by a smartass message that said "Read the rules"

There was nothing at all against the rules in what I said.

Someone mentioned about all of the threads a certain poster starts on a daily basis about the same topic and I responded to that poster saying ''naggers gonna nag''

Because that's really what it boils down to. Just constant nag fest revolving around a specific member's pet peeves with regard to specific demographics of people he doesn't like. That the particular poster's pet peeve serves as confirmation for the personal views of the unleashed does not in any way condone malfeasant moderation.

You don't have to respond here. I don't even care about your response.

Just get it on a leash, please. Perhaps give it a copy of the rules.

Consider it feedback.

Nothing should be construed from anyone's content on here in any way other than what it actually says.

Generally speaking, moderating on a political forum is lefty activity. Deleting, deplatforming, and censorship are innate for lefties, and they will ALWAYS have some reason to do these things. Mods are nowhere near as busy on gardening or engineering forums, unless politics get brought in. There are spam and bot messes that mods clean up for us, but the majority of what they do above and beyond that is partisan support for the left. The way that threads get superceded with more current and active ones is far more natural and powerful than anything any lefty mod can ever do, but they will never stop trying to fix lefty messes by deleting, censoring, and deplatforming.

 

[Orangecat]

Gee, I wonder what mod is out of con-trol........................

Like you wonder what gen-durr you are?

 

[Ridgerunner]

This has to be a prime example of why the Moderators all have such great financial benefits & incentives provided by USMB.

 

[buttercup]

Personally I think there's something wrong about deleting posts in general. It's Orwellian.

But as a few others have said, it's the selective political modding that is the problem.

For example, if you're going to delete a light-hearted post about the OP nagging.... why let this post stand, when it is clearly racial and aggressive.

You Call Me A Racist because I Disagree With You!

I get this statement from the right wing posters. They generally say this after making an obvious racist comment. But lets examine this complaint. My stated position is the root cause of the problems blacks face is white racism. Now the right wingers here disagree with this assessment. What is...

www.usmessageboard.com

 

[EvMetro]

This has to be a prime example of why the Moderators all have such great financial benefits & incentives provided by USMB.

I can't imagine how much money could be raised for usmb if there was a vote to fire coyote and it cost 25 bucks to vote.

 

[Natural Citizen]

It has a topic, defined in the OP. Like it or don’t, but you can can attack each of his points instead of attacking the poster. That applies in Zone and it applied in Zone 2 where it originally was: posts need to have some topical content in addition to any flames. This, and the others deleted, did not. And in Zone 1 you have the added rule of no flaming. So right there are multiple rules without going into the issue of racial slurs and the word filter. And, to listen to him, you would think he’d been infracted and banned. But no, his one trolling off topic post was deleted.

That is it.

I think you're full of it. But you already know that.

Selective modding is selective. And this encourages and empowers its beneficiary. Which you also know.

Quit fronting.

 

[Coyote]

I think you're full of it. But you already know that.



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Not sure what your point is here.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Who are you, the mod secretary or something?

Every one of these threads you show up with the same spew, like you're their secretary or something.


I'm not whining about anything, motherfucker, I'm providing feedback.

Take it to a mod.
Why do these whines show up in this forum? I admit some of them are entertaining, but the whining is getting tiresome

 

[Natural Citizen]

Not sure what your point is here.

You know what my point is precisely.

As I said. Quit fronting.

I'm logging off of here.

You people are nuts. lol...

 

[Coyote]

You know what my point is precisely.

As I said. Quit fronting.

I'm logging off of here.

You people are nuts. lol...

No. I don't. In some ways I am a literal critter.

 

[toobfreak]

Toob, this is an example of what happens when you don’t what goes on behind the scenes. Of course you you might not notice what all gets deleted, but typically a lot does. That’s partly why we ask you to take via PM Instead of constant (from this member) public announcements or off topic thread derailments attacking moderation. Aye is actually being really nice to let this thread stay open.

Thanks. Of course, by definition, what goes on "behind the scenes" is invisible to the average member, nor was I aware this was a regular occurrence with the member you mentioned. Still, that doesn't obviate the validity of my comments about the rules in general or actions taken. I certainly didn't come here today to fight with people, but there is always the opportunity in any FB forum to take something constructive out of it, and while maybe if someone too often goes public with their complaints, perhaps even doing that, rather than seen just as merely another "rule violation," something constructive can be taken from it--- after all, when people repeatedly complain, not everyone can be dismissed as mere malcontents and at some point, you have to figure maybe there is something to what they say?

I agree with you on the clarity at times, but we do our best. Unfortunately we can’t do anything directly, it all goes through the admins and it sometimes hard to get things done that would improve the organization. I don’t know what is possible in Xenfro (do you)? Are any of your suggestions things that software can do?

Thanks. I'm aware of most of that which is why I generally (if you can believe me) try hard to refrain from pestering mods any more often than really necessary with my own travails much less drag them out in public. I had a vitriolic complaint I brought to you folks about a year ago in PM, that has stopped me from posting threads and stuff since due to the nebulousness of the situation and over time, I've come to more and more decide that perhaps I over-reacted and took the action too personally. People always tend to think every mod action MUST have been personal. As to Xenforo, the guy you want to ask there is Flacc. While I know a lot of ways Xenforo could be fixed/improved, I'm loathe to give them away to their creators without compensation. And from what I've heard, they aren't exactly jumping there looking for input from users anyway! But if anyone ever wants to know my ideas to improve page structure and reduce rule violations here, they can PM me and ask. I actually devoted a lot of thought to it a few years ago and I think even saved some illustrations.

I went and looked at the deleted post in the context of that thread about race, and in context with the other deleted posts there. Nagger was not meant as one who nags. I came to the same conclusion Aye did. It was a way to get around the word filter.

Well now, I did not know the subject thread began in the race forum. That changes a lot. So before you or Aye tell me I should keep my thoughts to myself if I don't know what I'm talking about, let me say it first--- ---the OP here left out that small but vital tidbit of pertinent information, and that fact changes the entire complexion of THIS thread (ahha, I made a funny!). Still, some of my input is still not without value; even if it was a race thread, I'm not sure I would have a great issue with something talking about nagging even if a duplicity of intent were suspected. I mean, how far do we take PC? What next, someone talking about Joe taking a pill, over the hill, or getting filled be construed as a threat on his life because it sounds close to "killed?"

It’s kind of like porn…we can’t exactly define it, but we know it when we see it. In general…don’t make us have to think about and walking close to the edge of the rule means eventually you’re going to overstep.

I guess--- maybe I just tend to look at the act of moderation as being like a father figure to guide people kindly back onto the center of the road again rather than wait till they go up on the curb hitting pedestrians and mailboxes to shoot their tires out. Some people here have a chip on their shoulder looking to make a mod knock it off for them while others make innocent or well-intended mistakes, and that can be a very difficult thing to always know one from the other.

Is he asking for feedback? Or is he using it to complain about specific moderator actions?

The latter.

Is there any reason he couldn’t have pm’d a mod of his choice and asked for feedback in accordance with one very clear rule that HAS broken multiple times already?

Nope.

And the sarcasm? I thought she was pretty restrained given all this could have and should have taken place via PM.

That is not within my purview to really say. One thing I would say before I have to go is that it might be nice if more mods were more visible--- if this were my place, I might have a moderator column where all the mods and administrators are listed giving each some sort of "bio" telling people something about themselves to make them more "touchable," friendly, or real without giving anything too personal away. Like West used to be a geologist and I know you are very much an animal person. Why? Because forums run that way with great personal warmth and human contact always run more smoothly than those run dryly like they were operated by the DMV.

At any rate, not my place really to tell folks how to run their place, but that's my FB FWIW since this is a feedback forum, only mananagement can decide if any of it makes any sense to them. Me, I'm off now to my Saturday night ablutions. Bye.

 

[EvMetro]

Take it to a mod.
Why do these whines show up in this forum? I admit some of them are entertaining, but the whining is getting tiresome

Why would you ever take it to a mod? That's like complaining to the DNC that Hillary is crooked.

 

[odanny]

Yup, they need to axe the radical leftwinger mod(s).

They are just too unhinged and don’t follow the rules themselves.

Oh be quiet, this place is a Trumpian paradise and still you piss and moan.

 

[EvMetro]

Thanks. Of course, by definition, what goes on "behind the scenes" is invisible to the average member, nor was I aware this was a regular occurrence with the member you mentioned. Still, that doesn't obviate the validity of my comments about the rules in general or actions taken. I certainly didn't come here today to fight with people, but there is always the opportunity in any FB forum to take something constructive out of it, and while maybe if someone too often goes public with their complaints, perhaps even doing that, rather than seen just as merely another "rule violation," something constructive can be taken from it--- after all, when people repeatedly complain, not everyone can be dismissed as mere malcontents and at some point, you have to figure maybe there is something to what they say?


Thanks. I'm aware of most of that which is why I generally (if you can believe me) try hard to refrain from pestering mods any more often than really necessary with my own travails much less drag them out in public. I had a vitriolic complaint I brought to you folks about a year ago in PM, that has stopped me from posting threads and stuff since due to the nebulousness of the situation and over time, I've come to more and more decide that perhaps I over-reacted and took the action too personally. People always tend to think every mod action MUST have been personal. As to Xenforo, the guy you want to ask there is Flacc. While I know a lot of ways Xenforo could be fixed/improved, I'm loathe to give them away to their creators without compensation. And from what I've heard, they aren't exactly jumping there looking for input from users anyway! But if anyone ever wants to know my ideas to improve page structure and reduce rule violations here, they can PM me and ask. I actually devoted a lot of thought to it a few years ago and I think even saved some illustrations.


Well now, I did not know the subject thread began in the race forum. That changes a lot. So before you or Aye tell me I should keep my thoughts to myself if I don't know what I'm talking about, let me say it first--- ---the OP here left out that small but vital tidbit of pertinent information, and that fact changes the entire complexion of THIS thread (ahha, I made a funny!). Still, some of my input is still not without value; even if it was a race thread, I'm not sure I would have a great issue with something talking about nagging even if a duplicity of intent were suspected. I mean, how far do we take PC? What next, someone talking about Joe taking a pill, over the hill, or getting filled be construed as a threat on his life because it sounds close to "killed?"


I guess--- maybe I just tend to look at the act of moderation as being like a father figure to guide people kindly back onto the center of the road again rather than wait till they go up on the curb hitting pedestrians and mailboxes to shoot their tires out. Some people here have a chip on their shoulder looking to make a mod knock it off for them while others make innocent or well-intended mistakes, and that can be a very difficult thing to always know one from the other.


The latter.


Nope.


That is not within my purview to really say. One thing I would say before I have to go is that it might be nice if more mods were more visible--- if this were my place, I might have a moderator column where all the mods and administrators are listed giving each some sort of "bio" telling people something about themselves to make them more "touchable," friendly, or real without giving anything too personal away. Like West used to be a geologist and I know you are very much an animal person. Why? Because forums run that way with great personal warmth and human contact always run more smoothly than those run dryly like they were operated by the DMV.

At any rate, not my place really to tell folks how to run their place, but that's my FB FWIW since this is a feedback forum, only mananagement can decide if any of it makes any sense to them. Me, I'm off now to my Saturday night ablutions. Bye.

You can't teach a dog how to read.

 

[okfine]

Who are you, the mod secretary or something?

Every one of these threads you show up with the same spew, like you're their secretary or something.


I'm not whining about anything, motherfucker, I'm providing feedback.

"I'm providing feedback"

His booger pickin' finger rests on the report button.

 

[okfine]

Not sure what your point is here.

Scouring maybe?

 

[toobfreak]

You can't teach a dog how to read.

Speak for yourself.

 

[EvMetro]

Speak for yourself.

That's not a coyote, but yes, he appears to be reading....