Discussion in 'Environment' started by -Cp, Nov 10, 2008.
Just like I yell at the GW enthusiasts for cherry picking one year like 1995 or 2005, you can't cherry pick one year and call it a trend. The Earth IS warming, but I believe it's natural. The cooling of 2008 is due to La Nina. When we hit an El Nino season, we'll be very much above average again.
The result of global warming is unpredictable weather patterns all over the earth.
Wow... simply WOW..
First of all, I would like everyone to note the source of this information - scientists. Not bloviating politicians, not columnists, not Hollywood pseudo-stars, but scientists who actually work in the field. Now consider the words of Barack Obama concerning our energy problems and new, "greener" sources...and also the words of John McCain, who echoed much of Barack's greenhouse gas blather. Consider, too, George W. Bush's scorn of the Kyoto Accords a few years back as being nothing more than an attack on American industry - which they were - and his recent spineless reversal of that policy.
Global warming as a man-made phenomenon is a scam designed to do one thing - tax us - and people in both parties are complicit. Man contributes only 5% of the CO2 injected into the atmosphere, and CO2 isn't the problem anyway. A group of scientists a year and a half ago, who took ice cores from the Greenland Ice Cap to sample the atmosphere of 15,000 years ago, discovered that the atmosphere at that time contained 4.7 times the CO2 of today's...in the middle of an ice age. The average CO2 atmospheric content, in fact, has been measured at slightly over 8 parts per million over a span of many thousands of years. Today, our air's CO2 content is about 3.5 parts per million. If anything, we are experiencing a CO2 shortage. That leaves us to examine past epochs, which produced a proven 8 ice ages and interglacial periods of warming, all without the help of man, and all in spite of the lack of a CO2 tax.
We currently face the prospect of a congress in complete concert with a White House that is hell-bent to establish a carbon tax based on a nebulous carbon "footprint". Obama, in fact, has stated in no uncertain terms that he'll attack the coal industry with heavy taxation, enough to bankrupt them (HIS word) ignoring that 49% of American homes currently rely on coal as a means of electrical power production. As a side-bar, the frosting on this sewage cake is his wish to reestablish a capital gains tax on the sale of YOUR house - not just Bill Gates' - to the tune of up to 28% (where you now would pay nothing on a gain of up to $500,000), to reestablish the "death" tax (meaning the government instead of your heirs gets a good chunk of your stuff when you croak), the confiscation of YOUR 401k to bolster Social Security (a Pelosi brain bubble, at least by her recent speech)...and on and on. A kid with a passbook account would have little trouble figuring out where such policies could lead where his money is concerned, but our government...and we too, apparently...can't seem to understand basic principles. Prosperity will not happen if, in the midst of a recession, the govenment demands more of our money. Historically, this formula has never worked, and it never will. So in light of the fact that we can't afford any level of a heavier tax burden to pay for real things, how much sense does it make to establish yet another tax based on a fairy tale so obvious, it would be laughable if not so dangerous?
It is time to fight. It is time to tell our so-called representatives...from BOTH parties...that we will not, under any circumstances, pay a tax on breathing. We will not pay it to them, and we will not pay it to the United Nations, which is the stated ultimate goal. The first step is educating ourselves to the point that we at least recognize that a scientist knows one hell of a lot more about his or her chosen field than a politician with an agenda ever could. This is something we have neglected, which is why we get the "leadership" we've been stuck with in the first place...and I'm including a whole lot more people than just Mr. Obama. Next comes correspondence, the willingness to take the time to let your feelings be known to your senators, representatives, and now, your new president. And finally, we must work for the recall of any and all who support such a ridiculous measure as taxing a footprint, carbon or otherwise.
Contrary to the assertions of Mr. Gore, who happens to be the CEO of Generation Investment Management, the company that sells "carbon credits", greenhouse gases are vital elements in preserving life on this planet. Without them, the mean temperature at the earth's surface would be MINUS 18 degrees Celsius. Carbon is the basis for all life on earth...we are all made of it; it isn't poison. CO2 is necessary during the process of photosynthesis in providing food for plants; life, in short, is not possible at all if CO2 is removed from the equation. To think that we should accept a tax on a natural part of the environment and earth's life cycles is beyond belief. To do so will only prove, to those who think that our main purpose in life is to subsidize them and their idiocy, that we are as stupid as they apparently think we are.
I would ask that you forward this climate map to as many people as you can, including your senators and representatives, along with your demands to the latter that they desist in their efforts to tax air. And while you're at it, tell them that YOUR 401Ks and estates are off limits. If we take this lying down, as we have the erosion of the Constitution and so many other things, we may be pretty much done.
Better to study the real data at this link....
Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation
Report says Arctic temperatures at record highs
By RANDOLPH E. SCHMID – Oct 16, 2008
WASHINGTON (AP) — Autumn temperatures in the Arctic are at record levels, the Arctic Ocean is getting warmer and less salty as sea ice melts, and reindeer herds appear to be declining, researchers reported Thursday.
"Obviously, the planet is interconnected, so what happens in the Arctic does matter" to the rest of the world, Jackie Richter-Menge of the Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory in Hanover, N.H., said in releasing the third annual Arctic Report Card.
The report, compiled by 46 scientists from 10 countries, looks at a variety of conditions in the Arctic.
The region has long been expected to be among the first areas to show impacts from global warming, which the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says is largely a result of human activities adding carbon dioxide and other gases to the atmosphere.
"Changes in the Arctic show a domino effect from multiple causes more clearly than in other regions," said James Overland, an oceanographer at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle. "It's a sensitive system and often reflects changes in relatively fast and dramatic ways."
For example, autumn air temperatures in the Arctic are at a record 9 degrees Fahrenheit (5 Celsius) above normal.
The report noted that 2007 was the warmest year on record the Arctic, leading to a record loss of sea ice. This year's sea ice melt was second only to 2007.
The Associated Press: Report says Arctic temperatures at record highs
"Would love to see how the Global Warming idiots explain this one..."
They can't; that's why the term-de-jour is 'climate change'.
Well I'm not an global warming idiot, so I don't think I'm really qualified to make you very happy.
But I think I proabably am qualified to lead you to the reason that global warming does not mean a continuously upward change in termperature...not even when the trend toward warming is evident in the aggregate.
Are you familiar with the concept of the chaos theory?
A perfect example of how people with a little bit of knowledge are dangerous. For how many years now have our children had this bullshit scare propaganda crammed into their brains at school instead of things that might really educate them ?
Save the world by giving Al Gore and the UN money ?
There real science about global warming is at this link....
Data @ NASA GISS: GISS Surface Temperature Analysis: 2007 Summation
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