Worshiping A New God

[PoliticalChic]

I just read a post demanding "freedom FROM religion"....and noted the terminal misunderstanding therein of both religion, and of the nation.
It requires a closer examination.


The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.



1. "The Founding Fathers did not want the federal government to impose a national religion. They feared replicating in America an institution like the Church of England, which would set at the federal level an official religious denomination for the United States. They wanted not only to protect individual conscience, but also to protect the religious freedom of the states. Six states, in fact, refused to accept the US Constitution until it was made clear that the First Amendment prevented the federal government from imposing a national church on them....those six states that finally signed the Constitution ran established churches."
Schlafly, "No Higher Power," p.15-16


2. As for the famous “separation of church and state,” the phrase appears in no federal document. In fact, at the time of ratification of the Constitution, ten of the thirteen colonies had some provision recognizing Christianity as either the official, or the recommended religion in their state constitutions.


a. From the 1790 Massachusetts Constitution, written by John Adams, includes: [the] good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend(s) upon piety, religion, and morality…by the institution of public worship of God and of the public instruction in piety, religion, and morality…”
Constitution of Massachusetts - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



b. North Carolina Constitution, article 32, 1776: “That no person who shall deny the being of God, or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority of either the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall b e capable of holding any office, or place of trust or profit, in the civil department, within this State.” Constitution of North Carolina 1776



c. So, the Founders intention was to be sure that the federal government didn’t do the same, and mandate a national religion. And when Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, it was to reassure them the federal government could not interfere in their religious observations, i.e., there is “a wall of separation between church and state.” He wasn’t speaking of religion contaminating the government, but of the government contaminating religious observance.




3. "It is indisputable that the First Amendment was written not to suppress those state churches but to protect them from the fedral government. Leaders of those six states would never have signed the Constitution otherwise. They insisted on the language, 'Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," to make clear that the federal government ha no right to establish its own religion and disestablish theirs."
Schlafly, Op. Cit, p. 16


BTW.....Leftism....Liberalism....has all the requirements that hallmark a "religion,"...

...and like the Islamofascism roiling the world today,,,,

....it demands the dismantling of every other religion.

That's what "freedom from religion" actually means.

 

[briget]

I just read a post demanding "freedom FROM religion"....and noted the terminal misunderstanding therein of both religion, and of the nation.
It requires a closer examination.


The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.



1. "The Founding Fathers did not want the federal government to impose a national religion. They feared replicating in America an institution like the Church of England, which would set at the federal level an official religious denomination for the United States. They wanted not only to protect individual conscience, but also to protect the religious freedom of the states. Six states, in fact, refused to accept the US Constitution until it was made clear that the First Amendment prevented the federal government from imposing a national church on them....those six states that finally signed the Constitution ran established churches."
Schlafly, "No Higher Power," p.15-16


2. As for the famous “separation of church and state,” the phrase appears in no federal document. In fact, at the time of ratification of the Constitution, ten of the thirteen colonies had some provision recognizing Christianity as either the official, or the recommended religion in their state constitutions.


a. From the 1790 Massachusetts Constitution, written by John Adams, includes: [the] good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend(s) upon piety, religion, and morality…by the institution of public worship of God and of the public instruction in piety, religion, and morality…”
Constitution of Massachusetts - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



b. North Carolina Constitution, article 32, 1776: “That no person who shall deny the being of God, or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority of either the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall b e capable of holding any office, or place of trust or profit, in the civil department, within this State.” Constitution of North Carolina 1776



c. So, the Founders intention was to be sure that the federal government didn’t do the same, and mandate a national religion. And when Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, it was to reassure them the federal government could not interfere in their religious observations, i.e., there is “a wall of separation between church and state.” He wasn’t speaking of religion contaminating the government, but of the government contaminating religious observance.




3. "It is indisputable that the First Amendment was written not to suppress those state churches but to protect them from the fedral government. Leaders of those six states would never have signed the Constitution otherwise. They insisted on the language, 'Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," to make clear that the federal government ha no right to establish its own religion and disestablish theirs."
Schlafly, Op. Cit, p. 16


BTW.....Leftism....Liberalism....has all the requirements that hallmark a "religion,"...

...and like the Islamofascism roiling the world today,,,,

....it demands the dismantling of every other religion.

That's what "freedom from religion" actually means.

Jesus Christ is no longer America's God......the black man is. That is a fact.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No to "The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution." Jefferson, Paine, Madison, and so many others would laugh at you. You find nothing of the sort in either major document. You do find deistic language in the DOI and careful separation of Church and State in the USCOTUS. The closet things you get in either are the attestation dates required by law.

 

[Pogo]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

Hostility, no. Indifference, yes by definition. When you neither prescribe nor proscribe something --- that's indifference. Or more aptly, "neutrality".

BTW.....Leftism....Liberalism....has all the requirements that hallmark a "religion,"...

Ocelot shit. First they're two different things (so have, not has), and second, neither purports to describe the supernatural.

 

[TheOldSchool]

I just read a post demanding "freedom FROM religion"....and noted the terminal misunderstanding therein of both religion, and of the nation.
It requires a closer examination.


The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.



1. "The Founding Fathers did not want the federal government to impose a national religion. They feared replicating in America an institution like the Church of England, which would set at the federal level an official religious denomination for the United States. They wanted not only to protect individual conscience, but also to protect the religious freedom of the states. Six states, in fact, refused to accept the US Constitution until it was made clear that the First Amendment prevented the federal government from imposing a national church on them....those six states that finally signed the Constitution ran established churches."
Schlafly, "No Higher Power," p.15-16


2. As for the famous “separation of church and state,” the phrase appears in no federal document. In fact, at the time of ratification of the Constitution, ten of the thirteen colonies had some provision recognizing Christianity as either the official, or the recommended religion in their state constitutions.


a. From the 1790 Massachusetts Constitution, written by John Adams, includes: [the] good order and preservation of civil government essentially depend(s) upon piety, religion, and morality…by the institution of public worship of God and of the public instruction in piety, religion, and morality…”
Constitution of Massachusetts - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



b. North Carolina Constitution, article 32, 1776: “That no person who shall deny the being of God, or the truth of the Protestant religion, or the divine authority of either the Old or New Testaments, or who shall hold religious principles incompatible with the freedom and safety of the State, shall b e capable of holding any office, or place of trust or profit, in the civil department, within this State.” Constitution of North Carolina 1776



c. So, the Founders intention was to be sure that the federal government didn’t do the same, and mandate a national religion. And when Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists in 1802, it was to reassure them the federal government could not interfere in their religious observations, i.e., there is “a wall of separation between church and state.” He wasn’t speaking of religion contaminating the government, but of the government contaminating religious observance.




3. "It is indisputable that the First Amendment was written not to suppress those state churches but to protect them from the fedral government. Leaders of those six states would never have signed the Constitution otherwise. They insisted on the language, 'Congress shall make no laws respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," to make clear that the federal government ha no right to establish its own religion and disestablish theirs."
Schlafly, Op. Cit, p. 16


BTW.....Leftism....Liberalism....has all the requirements that hallmark a "religion,"...

...and like the Islamofascism roiling the world today,,,,

....it demands the dismantling of every other religion.

That's what "freedom from religion" actually means.

Jesus Christ is no longer America's God......the black man is. That is a fact.

Yeah I'm about to go off and worship a black man now.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

I saw that post also in another thread. There's no guarantees that I'm aware of that protect a person 'from' religion. In some ways I think the government has become to involved in the private affairs of individuals. We now have "no smoking" laws that apply to all private businesses, except for the casino's here in Iowa because they're special, and other such nonsense.

I tend to agree with your closing thoughts about liberalism having all the hallmarks of becoming a religion.

The whole concept of the 1st Amendment was to allow for a variety of religious beliefs to be practiced in the United States without government interference.

*****SMILE*****

 

[Pete7469]

Jesus Christ is no longer America's God......the black man is. That is a fact.

I disagree, obozo is a moonbat messiah. For those who follow that insipid meat muppet, the central bank is "god".

Kinda like the muzbots think they're worshipping God, when their cult was inspired by a tool of satan.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Jesus Christ is no longer America's God......the black man is. That is a fact.

I disagree, obozo is a moonbat messiah. For those who follow that insipid meat muppet, the central bank is "god".

Kinda like the muzbots think they're worshipping God, when their cult was inspired by a tool of satan.

^ Nuttiest post I've ever seen.

 

[JoeB131]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

The founders also envisioned a country where the franchise would only be held by white, property owning males and slavery would continue in perpetuity. They thought bleeding was a perfectly acceptable medical treatment. So maybe instead of treating their opinions on magic sky fairiesas the be-all and end all of such matters, would it not make a lot more sense to base our positions on what we know now?

We now know through biology that man was not "created" by a benevolent sky pixie, he evolved from lower life forms.

We now know that most of Christian mythology was lifted from earlier myths.

We know know that the universe is not 6000 years old, but many billions.

So why should we base our notions of government and morality on the SUPERSTITIONS they held 250 years ago?

If we are smart enough to get to the moon and build an internet, we might, just might be able to work our a morality of our own.

Rather than taking a pile of superstitions and rubbish, ignoring most of them, and picking a few that say, "Yeah, that sounds good."

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

Hostility, no. Indifference, yes by definition. When you neither prescribe nor proscribe something --- that's indifference. Or more aptly, "neutrality".

BTW.....Leftism....Liberalism....has all the requirements that hallmark a "religion,"...

Ocelot shit. First they're two different things (so have, not has), and second, neither purports to describe the supernatural.

Vulgarity....the sign of a loser...in life, and in debate.

You actually wear it with pride.



For edification:

4. Now....what is a religion?

One can find definitions that include variations on:


'A particular variety of belief,especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice

A set of beliefs,values,and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

A cause ,principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

And every one applies to Liberalism/Leftism.



5."Leftism, though secular, must be understood as a religion (which is why I have begun capitalizing it). The Leftist value system’s hold on its adherents is as strong as the hold Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have on theirs. Nancy Pelosi’s belief in expanding the government’s role in American life, which inspired her passion for the health-care bill, is as strong as a pro-life Christian’s belief in the sanctity of the life of the unborn.

Given the religious nature and the emotional power of Leftist values, Jews and Christians on the Left often derive their values from the Left more than from their religion.

....most Leftist Jews and Christians will counter that Leftist values cannot trump their religion’s values because Leftist values are identical to their religion’s. But this argument only reinforces my argument that Leftism has conquered the Christianity and the Judaism of Leftist Christians and Jews. If there is no difference between Leftist moral values and those of Judaism or Christianity, then Christianity is little more than Leftism with “Jesus” rhetoric..."
Leftism the Religion National Review Online



a. Most people do not recognize what is probably the single most important fact of modern life. One reason is that leftism is overwhelmingly secular (more than merely secular: it is inherently opposed to all traditional religions), and therefore people do not regard it as a religion.
Another is that leftism so convincingly portrays itself as solely the product of reason, intellect, and science that it has not been seen as the dogma-based ideology that it is. Therefore, the vast majority of the people who affirm leftist beliefs think of their views as the only way to properly think about life."
The World s Most Dynamic Religion Is ... - The Dennis Prager Show The Dennis Prager Show


Amen.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

The founders also envisioned a country where the franchise would only be held by white, property owning males and slavery would continue in perpetuity. They thought bleeding was a perfectly acceptable medical treatment. So maybe instead of treating their opinions on magic sky fairiesas the be-all and end all of such matters, would it not make a lot more sense to base our positions on what we know now?

We now know through biology that man was not "created" by a benevolent sky pixie, he evolved from lower life forms.

We now know that most of Christian mythology was lifted from earlier myths.

We know know that the universe is not 6000 years old, but many billions.

So why should we base our notions of government and morality on the SUPERSTITIONS they held 250 years ago?

If we are smart enough to get to the moon and build an internet, we might, just might be able to work our a morality of our own.

Rather than taking a pile of superstitions and rubbish, ignoring most of them, and picking a few that say, "Yeah, that sounds good."

That's nice... How does your little rant against various religious beliefs fit in with the progressive belief that people should be accepting of other cultural differences and their societal beliefs? While we're at it what caused the Big Bang in your creation theory? I'm going with a miracle occurred.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

The founders also envisioned a country where the franchise would only be held by white, property owning males and slavery would continue in perpetuity. They thought bleeding was a perfectly acceptable medical treatment. So maybe instead of treating their opinions on magic sky fairiesas the be-all and end all of such matters, would it not make a lot more sense to base our positions on what we know now?

We now know through biology that man was not "created" by a benevolent sky pixie, he evolved from lower life forms.

We now know that most of Christian mythology was lifted from earlier myths.

We know know that the universe is not 6000 years old, but many billions.

So why should we base our notions of government and morality on the SUPERSTITIONS they held 250 years ago?

If we are smart enough to get to the moon and build an internet, we might, just might be able to work our a morality of our own.

Rather than taking a pile of superstitions and rubbish, ignoring most of them, and picking a few that say, "Yeah, that sounds good."

Another lie-filled America-hating post from this moron.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

The founders also envisioned a country where the franchise would only be held by white, property owning males and slavery would continue in perpetuity. They thought bleeding was a perfectly acceptable medical treatment. So maybe instead of treating their opinions on magic sky fairiesas the be-all and end all of such matters, would it not make a lot more sense to base our positions on what we know now?

We now know through biology that man was not "created" by a benevolent sky pixie, he evolved from lower life forms.

We now know that most of Christian mythology was lifted from earlier myths.

We know know that the universe is not 6000 years old, but many billions.

So why should we base our notions of government and morality on the SUPERSTITIONS they held 250 years ago?

If we are smart enough to get to the moon and build an internet, we might, just might be able to work our a morality of our own.

Rather than taking a pile of superstitions and rubbish, ignoring most of them, and picking a few that say, "Yeah, that sounds good."

Another lie-filled America-hating post from this moron.

Clearly JoeB131, PC is a hopeless hack.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Worshiping A New God"

A new straw man fallacy from the OP, another ridiculous lie, and another failed thread.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Freedom from Religion Foundation launches new bus ads on National Day of Prayer Secular News Daily

 

[Pogo]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

Hostility, no. Indifference, yes by definition. When you neither prescribe nor proscribe something --- that's indifference. Or more aptly, "neutrality".

BTW.....Leftism....Liberalism....has all the requirements that hallmark a "religion,"...

Ocelot shit. First they're two different things (so have, not has), and second, neither purports to describe the supernatural.

Vulgarity....the sign of a loser...in life, and in debate.

You actually wear it with pride.

Galls your hide when you can't control other people's words, donut?
Too fuckin' bad.

For edification:

4. Now....what is a religion?

One can find definitions that include variations on:


'A particular variety of belief,especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice

A set of beliefs,values,and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

A cause ,principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

And every one applies to Liberalism/Leftism.



5."Leftism, though secular, must be understood as a religion (which is why I have begun capitalizing it). The Leftist value system’s hold on its adherents is as strong as the hold Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have on theirs. Nancy Pelosi’s belief in expanding the government’s role in American life, which inspired her passion for the health-care bill, is as strong as a pro-life Christian’s belief in the sanctity of the life of the unborn.

Given the religious nature and the emotional power of Leftist values, Jews and Christians on the Left often derive their values from the Left more than from their religion.

....most Leftist Jews and Christians will counter that Leftist values cannot trump their religion’s values because Leftist values are identical to their religion’s. But this argument only reinforces my argument that Leftism has conquered the Christianity and the Judaism of Leftist Christians and Jews. If there is no difference between Leftist moral values and those of Judaism or Christianity, then Christianity is little more than Leftism with “Jesus” rhetoric..."
Leftism the Religion National Review Online



a. Most people do not recognize what is probably the single most important fact of modern life. One reason is that leftism is overwhelmingly secular (more than merely secular: it is inherently opposed to all traditional religions), and therefore people do not regard it as a religion.
Another is that leftism so convincingly portrays itself as solely the product of reason, intellect, and science that it has not been seen as the dogma-based ideology that it is. Therefore, the vast majority of the people who affirm leftist beliefs think of their views as the only way to properly think about life."
The World s Most Dynamic Religion Is ... - The Dennis Prager Show The Dennis Prager Show


Amen.

And you continue to flail in the dark, too ignorant to even lift a mental finger to differentiate between leftism and Liberalism, so .... fuck it, just conflate them. Who cares. After all rational discourse is hardly the point here.

Have fun worshiping your Dennis Prager show. Whatever the fuck that is.

Dismissed.

 

[Derideo_Te]

Freedom From Religion Foundation National Atheist Group To Expand Headquarters After Huge Growth

Freedom From Religion Foundation, National Atheist Group, To Expand Headquarters After Huge Growth
The Huffington Post | By Nick Wing
Posted: 08/26/2013 3:07 pm EDT Updated: 08/26/2013 3:07 pm EDT


After seeing their paid membership ranks increase 130 percent in six years, organizers of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF), a national group of atheists and agnostics based in Madison, Wis., said Monday that they are set to begin a large-scale expansion of their headquarters.

Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the nearly 20,000-member group, told the Wisconsin State Journal that recent high-profile legal victories had increased the foundation's popularity and allowed them to consider an office addition that will quadruple its total square footage.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"Worshiping A New God"

A new straw man fallacy from the OP, another ridiculous lie, and another failed thread.

Couldn't find any such lies, huh?

That must mean that your post was the lie.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The Founders envisioned a God-fearing nation, but one built on the Judeo-Christian tradition. We find references to it in the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution.

At no time did they intend hostility, or even indifference, to religion.

Hostility, no. Indifference, yes by definition. When you neither prescribe nor proscribe something --- that's indifference. Or more aptly, "neutrality".

BTW.....Leftism....Liberalism....has all the requirements that hallmark a "religion,"...

Ocelot shit. First they're two different things (so have, not has), and second, neither purports to describe the supernatural.

Vulgarity....the sign of a loser...in life, and in debate.

You actually wear it with pride.



For edification:

4. Now....what is a religion?

One can find definitions that include variations on:


'A particular variety of belief,especially when organized into a system of doctrine and practice

A set of beliefs,values,and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.

A cause ,principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

And every one applies to Liberalism/Leftism.



5."Leftism, though secular, must be understood as a religion (which is why I have begun capitalizing it). The Leftist value system’s hold on its adherents is as strong as the hold Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have on theirs. Nancy Pelosi’s belief in expanding the government’s role in American life, which inspired her passion for the health-care bill, is as strong as a pro-life Christian’s belief in the sanctity of the life of the unborn.

Given the religious nature and the emotional power of Leftist values, Jews and Christians on the Left often derive their values from the Left more than from their religion.

....most Leftist Jews and Christians will counter that Leftist values cannot trump their religion’s values because Leftist values are identical to their religion’s. But this argument only reinforces my argument that Leftism has conquered the Christianity and the Judaism of Leftist Christians and Jews. If there is no difference between Leftist moral values and those of Judaism or Christianity, then Christianity is little more than Leftism with “Jesus” rhetoric..."
Leftism the Religion National Review Online



a. Most people do not recognize what is probably the single most important fact of modern life. One reason is that leftism is overwhelmingly secular (more than merely secular: it is inherently opposed to all traditional religions), and therefore people do not regard it as a religion.
Another is that leftism so convincingly portrays itself as solely the product of reason, intellect, and science that it has not been seen as the dogma-based ideology that it is. Therefore, the vast majority of the people who affirm leftist beliefs think of their views as the only way to properly think about life."
The World s Most Dynamic Religion Is ... - The Dennis Prager Show The Dennis Prager Show


Amen.

And you continue to flail in the dark, too ignorant to even lift a mental finger to differentiate between leftism and Liberalism, so .... fuck it, just conflate them. Who cares. After all rational discourse is hardly the point here.

Have fun worshiping your Dennis Prager show. Whatever the fuck that is.

Dismissed.

"...differentiate between leftism and Liberalism,...."

Hardly a hairs-breadth difference between any totalitarian doctrine...

...that includes Liberalism, Progressivism, Nazism, communism, socialism, fascism.


"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
Goldberg



"...the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life..."

Bet you look natty in that new brown shirt, huh?

 

[JoeB131]

Clearly JoeB131, PC is a hopeless hack.

What I've noticed is she never really responds to the counter arguments, she just keeps dribbling on with her multi-numbered points that sound like they came off some manifesto...

I imagine it will be found when she finally flips out and goes on that rampage we are all expecting.