World drought and Global Warming

[Divine Wind]

This is what it boils down to, the fallacy of an appeal to authority....

LOL Says the guy who profits off science and I should listen to him over NASA.

Science is my livelihood. I make my living from employing sound scientific techniques to solving the problems associated with the flow of production and information.

For the cultists to claim the mantel of science, when in fact you are the least scientific group on the planet, is offensive.

argumentum ad verecundiam

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Too bad it will take about 5000 years for it to happen. The accelerated "climate change" model of the Left is a myth.

200 years or 5000 is irrelevant to me. I'll be dead. Fret on if you like, but I'm not worried about it. I'm just having fun looking at all the contortions on both sides over the issue.

Why would I fret about something I don't believe exists.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to be passive about it, though, when those that do fret about Manbearpig want to pass laws and taxes to force everyone to fret about Manbearpig. So no, I can't just ignore the hysteria because it's going to affect me.

 

[Divine Wind]

Why would I fret about something I don't believe exists.

Unfortunately, it's difficult to be passive about it, though, when those that do fret about Manbearpig want to pass laws and taxes to force everyone to fret about Manbearpig. So no, I can't just ignore the hysteria because it's going to affect me.

Obviously you are fretting about it as your second paragraph attests.

Bitching about it on political forums does nothing to change those tax laws. It's just a place to discuss issues, but most people here just come to rant.

The new season of South Park premiered last night. I DVR'd it, but won't be able to see it until I get home Saturday.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What people care about often concerns their immediate life. That doesn't mean longer term strategies should be ignored by governments.

My advice is to stop exaggerating problems because it makes you untrustworthy. Part of the problem here is that Al Fuckin' Gore politicized climate change to the point most Americans accept politics over science. Once you burn the trust bridge, it's very difficult to rebuild it. As I pointed out to my turd son, OffensivelyOpenMinded, nobody trusts a fucking liar.

What am I exaggerating?

People are generally willing to be manipulated, politicians then manipulate because it gets them to do their job easier. It's the way of the world.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Yeah sure, the PLANET will survive. Will we?

Who knows? I grew up living with nuclear annihilation being a realistic end of mankind. This is pretty minor compared to a constant threat of WWIII. 21st Americans are very wimpish.

I can't believe that people are calling on us to ignore the threat of man made climate change because apparently people are "wimpish".

Survival used to be a part of humanity, I'm wondering whether humans have lost their survival instincts or just lost their humanity.

 

[Divine Wind]

What am I exaggerating?

People are generally willing to be manipulated, politicians then manipulate because it gets them to do their job easier. It's the way of the world.

The direness of climate change since even our top scientists aren't absolutely sure what will happen.

Disagreed, but you're free to believe manipulating people is good.

 

[Divine Wind]

I can't believe that people are calling on us to ignore the threat of man made climate change because apparently people are "wimpish".

Survival used to be a part of humanity, I'm wondering whether humans have lost their survival instincts or just lost their humanity.

You manipulating again? IMO, people who lie to others are "manipulating" them....so I don't trust manipulating people.

I'd say survival instincts since most people alive today are too stupid to have survived without a nanny-state to protect them.

 

[frigidweirdo]

What am I exaggerating?

People are generally willing to be manipulated, politicians then manipulate because it gets them to do their job easier. It's the way of the world.

The direness of climate change since even our top scientists aren't absolutely sure what will happen.

Disagreed, but you're free to believe manipulating people is good.

I'm not saying what WILL happen. I'm saying what COULD happen.

If you drive your car at 200 mph on the highway, you might not die, but you could die. If I say "don't drive so fast as you could die" your response it "you're giving dire predictions". Apparently I should suggest what could happen because... because.... because you don't like it.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I can't believe that people are calling on us to ignore the threat of man made climate change because apparently people are "wimpish".

Survival used to be a part of humanity, I'm wondering whether humans have lost their survival instincts or just lost their humanity.

You manipulating again? IMO, people who lie to others are "manipulating" them....so I don't trust manipulating people.

I'd say survival instincts since most people alive today are too stupid to have survived without a nanny-state to protect them.

What are you going on about?

 

[Divine Wind]

I'm not saying what WILL happen. I'm saying what COULD happen.

If you drive your car at 200 mph on the highway, you might not die, but you could die. If I say "don't drive so fast as you could die" your response it "you're giving dire predictions". Apparently I should suggest what could happen because... because.... because you don't like it.

Sorry I've caused you to have a conniption in your pants. Don't take it too seriously because, as I've repeatedly stated before, what you and I say doesn't matter. Que Sera, sera.

Your Al Gore impression notwithstanding, all the chicken little impressions on this forum won't change the direction the human race is headed.

 

[DGS49]

Regardless of ANYTHING done in the U.S., the trend toward longer and more severe drought will continue for the remainder of all of our lifetimes.

Fortunately, Humans have brains, and if properly motivated, can devise engineering solutions to anything that Mother Earth throws at us. The solution may involve moving populations to more fertile areas, movement of massive amounts of fresh water, desalination of sea water, or innovate means of preserving the water that we have (read the book, "Dune").

What is NOT needed at this time is more government control of private production in the name of "stopping global warming." You might as well try to stop the sun from rising in the East.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I'm not saying what WILL happen. I'm saying what COULD happen.

If you drive your car at 200 mph on the highway, you might not die, but you could die. If I say "don't drive so fast as you could die" your response it "you're giving dire predictions". Apparently I should suggest what could happen because... because.... because you don't like it.

Sorry I've caused you to have a conniption in your pants. Don't take it too seriously because, as I've repeatedly stated before, what you and I say doesn't matter. Que Sera, sera.

Your Al Gore impression notwithstanding, all the chicken little impressions on this forum won't change the direction the human race is headed.

So that's reason to ignore reality then?

Movements happen because they get support. They don't get support unless people are willing to stand up for them and tell people the truth (or the lie) behind the whole thing.

 

[Divine Wind]

So that's reason to ignore reality then?

Not at all. Fret on.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So that's reason to ignore reality then?

Not at all. Fret on.

Democracy is dead, just do as you're told then?

Well, I come onto forums like this to keep my brain working, other people come on for other reasons I can't fathom, like they're bored and just want to insult people. But I have my purpose.

 

[Divine Wind]

Democracy is dead, just do as you're told then?

Well, I come onto forums like this to keep my brain working, other people come on for other reasons I can't fathom, like they're bored and just want to insult people. But I have my purpose.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it seems most socialists do believe we should just hand the reins of power and control over to "the elite". We're a Constitutional Republic and I'd like to keep it that way even though most LWLs don't. Second Amendment, anyone? LOL

I'm here for the entertainment.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Democracy is dead, just do as you're told then?

Well, I come onto forums like this to keep my brain working, other people come on for other reasons I can't fathom, like they're bored and just want to insult people. But I have my purpose.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but it seems most socialists do believe we should just hand the reins of power and control over to "the elite". We're a Constitutional Republic and I'd like to keep it that way even though most LWLs don't. Second Amendment, anyone? LOL

I'm here for the entertainment.

You're sorry I feel that way? Well you're the one who basically said it.

I'm not a socialist, and yes, socialists and fascists and many others on both the right and the left are more interested in being controlled than democracy.

However how many on this forum are genuinely interested in real democracy in the US? Well, 98% of people will vote for two parties who control everything and who prevent democracy. So, I'd say it's very small.

 

[Divine Wind]

You're sorry I feel that way? Well you're the one who basically said it.

I'm not a socialist, and yes, socialists and fascists and many others on both the right and the left are more interested in being controlled than democracy.

However how many on this forum are genuinely interested in real democracy in the US? Well, 98% of people will vote for two parties who control everything and who prevent democracy. So, I'd say it's very small.

Disagreed that I said democracy is dead, but you aren't the first person to lie by making false comments and attributing them to me. OTOH, you actually did write it, hence my comment.

Good to hear. Socialism doesn't work on the national level. Agreed there are too many Left and Right Wing partisans who favor authoritarianism. Heck, nowadays they both favor raising taxes; they just differ on how to spend it and who is going to pay for it.

Pure democracy doesn't work for practical reasons, although technology may change that. We're a Constitutional Republic and I favor keeping it strong. Unfortunately, assholes on both sides want to chip away at it for their party's agenda. You're wrong on how many want this. Sure, many will vote for either Hillary or Trump, but that doesn't mean the Bernie or Cruz supporters are happy about it, much less the third party supporters.

 

[frigidweirdo]

You're sorry I feel that way? Well you're the one who basically said it.

I'm not a socialist, and yes, socialists and fascists and many others on both the right and the left are more interested in being controlled than democracy.

However how many on this forum are genuinely interested in real democracy in the US? Well, 98% of people will vote for two parties who control everything and who prevent democracy. So, I'd say it's very small.

Disagreed that I said democracy is dead, but you aren't the first person to lie by making false comments and attributing them to me. OTOH, you actually did write it, hence my comment.

Good to hear. Socialism doesn't work on the national level. Agreed there are too many Left and Right Wing partisans who favor authoritarianism. Heck, nowadays they both favor raising taxes; they just differ on how to spend it and who is going to pay for it.

Pure democracy doesn't work for practical reasons, although technology may change that. We're a Constitutional Republic and I favor keeping it strong. Unfortunately, assholes on both sides want to chip away at it for their party's agenda. You're wrong on how many want this. Sure, many will vote for either Hillary or Trump, but that doesn't mean the Bernie or Cruz supporters are happy about it, much less the third party supporters.

I didn't say you said it. I said you "basically" said it. You do know what that means right?
You said that it doesn't matter what we say, or what we think.

what you and I say doesn't matter. Que Sera, sera.

So, if what you and I say doesn't matter, then where's the democracy? Democracy is where what people says matters, right?

Socialism mostly doesn't work. I believe that healthcare is better done on a national level and not for profit. I believe the police, the fire service, the armed forces are better done at national level and not for profit. This is sort of socialism. I don't believe socialism should exist for most other things, like production especially and many services.

I'm not talking pure democracy. I'm talking about representatives representing the people, which doesn't happen now and doesn't happen because of the system in place.

Maybe these people aren't happy about Trump and Hillary, but they're not fighting for any real change. They're supporting a system that is corrupt to the core.

 

[tyroneweaver]

Northern Africa

Tunisia goes thirsty as repeated droughts raise concerns

Ethiopia hit by worst drought in decades

"Ethiopia hit by worst drought in decades"

India

India drought: '330 million people affected' - BBC News

"
India drought: '330 million people affected'"


Curfew in Indian tech hub over deadly water protests

Southern Africa

Zimbabwe's Robert Mugabe declares drought disaster - BBC News

"Zimbabwe's President Robert Mugabe has declared a state of disaster in rural parts of the country hit by a drought."

There appears to be a lot of drought in the world at present, Southern Africa is suffering, Northern Africa is suffering, India is suffering too. Is this the effect of Global Warming? The effect of El Niño? Both, how much of this is natural and how much of this is man made?

Drought has existed in these places before. However having drought affecting so many people at the same time is going to cause a massive strain on the world soon.

A projected model using computers.
LOL, whadda farce.

 

[Old Rocks]

Regardless, the coming Ice Are WAS the major prediction of the late 70's.

The AGW cult walking it back shows how dishonest the cult is. Anyone following them to the Jonestown compound is a fool. Anyone ending our economy and liberty on the basis of these liars and crooks is in fact going to Jonestown.

Predicted by who? Criswell? Some fake magazine covers doesn't make a major scientific prediction. A couple days ago Tropical Storm Julia surprised meteorologists (at least according to the newz) over north Florida. The fact remains weather prediction still has a lot of variables that cannot be predicted with 100% accuracy. Climate change is less predictable.

Scientists report data. They can make a hypothesis about where that data is headed, but it remains unproven unless they can supply more data proving it to be true. So far, all we have are lots of records that the CO2 is building and the global temperature is rising....oh yeah, and a shitload of political rhetoric from both sides.

Personally, I think all of you are fucking morons to politicize this issue. It's in the future, we can't be certain where that future is headed and most of us will be dead before whatever happens becomes reality. For me, I just live the Serenity Prayer.

{
These two serious, careful scientists — geophysicist Maurice Ewing, director of Columbia University’s Lamont Geological Observatory, and geologist-meteorologist William Donn believe they have finally found the explanation for the giant glaciers, which four times during the past million years have advanced and retreated over the earth. If they are right, the world is now heading into another Ice Age. It will come not as sudden catastrophe, but as the inevitable culmination of a process that has already begun in northern oceans.

As Ewing and Donn read the evidence, an Ice Age will result from a slow warming and rising of the ocean that is now taking place. They believe that this ocean flood — which may submerge large coastal areas of the eastern United States and western Europe — is going to melt the ice sheet which has covered the Arctic Ocean through all recorded history. Calculations based on the independent observations of other scientists indicate this melting could begin, within roughly one hundred years.

It is this melting of Arctic ice which Ewing and Donn believe will set off another Ice Age on earth. They predict that it will cause great snows to fall in the north — perennial unmelting snows which the world has not seen since the last Ice Age thousands of years ago. These snows will make the Arctic glaciers grow again, until their towering height forces them forward. The advance south will be slow, but if it follows the route of previous ice ages, it will encase in ice large parts of North America and Europe. It would, of course, take many centuries for that wall of ice to reach New York and Chicago, London and Paris. But its coming is an inevitable consequence of the cycle which Ewing and Donn believe is now taking place.}

The Coming Ice Age | Harper's Magazine

I took an "ecology" class in Jr. College. All it talked about was the coming ice age. At the time, an imminent ice age was "settled science."

Apparently though, making a buck off the ice age was difficult, so the story was rewritten to support a greater income...

Pretty much bullshit. The Milankovic Cycles provide and elegant explanation of the ice ages. And we were already starting our slow multi-thousand year descent into the next one when we started burning the fossil fuels. Now, we are in for at least several centuries of warming, even if we were to stop burning fossil fuels right now. It has been several million years since the atmosphere had the level of GHGs that it now contains. And at that time there was little ice at the poles.