Working For The State

Is it clear that totalitarians don't consider human life sacred.....something that can be seen in Barack Obama's Illinois voting record in favor of infanticide.

You realize that abortion was outlawed under the nazis, right?

:alcoholic:
Only for some. They encouraged it and made it legal for others. Yes pc knows this. It's the way progressives work.


Well, most people in this country want it to be legal...I don't like it but who am I to stop people from having the freedom to do so?
Most people only want it legal in extreme circumstances. Not as an elective.
 
The document specifies what the government can do, and makes clear, no more.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Tenth Amendment
Notice, Amendment, and two years later.


  1. The first 10 amendments to the Constitution make up the Bill of Rights. Written by James Madison in response to calls from several states for greater constitutional protection for individual liberties, the Bill of Rights lists specific prohibitions on governmental power. Google
As I said.


I freely admit that you Liberal fascists have gained the upper hand, and obviated the above.
If the Individual was so important in the Constitution, why did them Amend it, and ratify such Amendments two years later?



The Constitution was written to proscribe tyranny.

Still...to be sure of individual rights, the Bill of Rights reinforced the concept from the other direction.


The constitution was written to give us something different then a king...A nation controlled by the people. We elected a government to do what we wished!!!! We didn't put together a nation with a elected government that couldn't do what wished it to do.

That is why our founders from Washington, Adams and on down the list funded infrastructure and did many other things. Your idea of allowing a few corporations to take it all is sick.



You must be a government school grad, huh?
 
1. A prime characteristic of totalitarian governance....Nazi, fascist, communist, socialist, Liberal, Progressive....is that the state, the representative of the collective, rises to preeminence over the individual....there are citizens who are perfectly content to work for the state, and against the other members of their community.
(John Kerry..cough...cough)


What surprises the student of government is how America has been changed to that sort of view.

a. The Founders foresaw a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

b. In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



By 'working for the state,' I am implying working against the interests, rights, and liberty of individual citizens.




2. Let's take, as an example, Naftly Frenkel, the man who made Stalin's gulags the "success" that they were.
And, of course, I mean "success," in the sense that that it destroyed millions...and gave rise to Hitler's concentration camps.


"Naftaly Aronovich Frenkel...was a Jewish Russian businessman and member of the Soviet secret police. Frenkel is best known for his role in the organisation of work in the Gulag, starting from the forced labor camp of the Solovetsky Islands, which is recognised as one of the earliest sites of the Gulag.

He rose rapidly from prisoner to staff member on the strength of his proposal to the camp administration that they link inmates' food rations to their rate of production, the proposal known as nourishment scale (шкала питания).


The story goes that when he arrived at the camp [as a prisoner!] he found shocking disorganisation and waste of resources (both human and material): he promptly wrote a precise description of what exactly was wrong with every one of the camp's industries (including forestry, farming and brick-making).[6]

He placed the letter in the prisoners' 'complaints box' whence it was sent, as a curiosity, to Genrikh Yagoda the secret police bureaucrat who eventually became leader of the Cheka; it is said that Yagoda immediately demanded to meet with the letter's author.[6]Frenkel himself claimed that he was whisked off to Moscow to discuss his ideas with Joseph Stalin and Lazar Kaganovich, one of Stalin's henchmen.....records show that Frenkel met Stalin in the 1930s and was protected by Stalin during the Partypurge years;..." Naftaly Frenkel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "Frenkel's special talent for improving inmate work efficiency was quickly noticed by the camp officials there, and it was not long before he was ordered to explain his ideas and methods to Stalin personally. His main proposal was to link a prisoner's food ration, especially hot food, to his production, essentially substituting hunger for the knout as the main work incentive.


Frenkel had also observed that a prisoner's most productive work is usually done in the first three months of his captivity, after which he or she was in so debilitated a state that the output of the inmate population could be kept high only by removing (killing off) the exhausted prisoners and replacing them with fresh inmates. " The Gulag Communism s Penal Colonies Revisited




Seems that if there are benefits available, there are always men who will serve big government rather than their sisters and brothers.
Is that what we want America's motto to be?

tl;dr
 
Wait...so PC is saying that liberals are more likely to enter into civil service and she's saying it like it's a bad thing? Obviously she wasn't born with the "service gene". I was. I've been serving since I turned 18 and joined the military. When I retired, my Top Secret clearance and training could have gotten me a great well paying job with the private sector...but I have the service gene and I knew my days of serving the greater community were not over so I joined county government and the dedicated and harding working public servants there.
 
1. A prime characteristic of totalitarian governance....Nazi, fascist, communist, socialist, Liberal, Progressive....is that the state, the representative of the collective, rises to preeminence over the individual....there are citizens who are perfectly content to work for the state, and against the other members of their community.
(John Kerry..cough...cough)


What surprises the student of government is how America has been changed to that sort of view.

a. The Founders foresaw a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

b. In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



By 'working for the state,' I am implying working against the interests, rights, and liberty of individual citizens.




2. Let's take, as an example, Naftly Frenkel, the man who made Stalin's gulags the "success" that they were.
And, of course, I mean "success," in the sense that that it destroyed millions...and gave rise to Hitler's concentration camps.


"Naftaly Aronovich Frenkel...was a Jewish Russian businessman and member of the Soviet secret police. Frenkel is best known for his role in the organisation of work in the Gulag, starting from the forced labor camp of the Solovetsky Islands, which is recognised as one of the earliest sites of the Gulag.

He rose rapidly from prisoner to staff member on the strength of his proposal to the camp administration that they link inmates' food rations to their rate of production, the proposal known as nourishment scale (шкала питания).


The story goes that when he arrived at the camp [as a prisoner!] he found shocking disorganisation and waste of resources (both human and material): he promptly wrote a precise description of what exactly was wrong with every one of the camp's industries (including forestry, farming and brick-making).[6]

He placed the letter in the prisoners' 'complaints box' whence it was sent, as a curiosity, to Genrikh Yagoda the secret police bureaucrat who eventually became leader of the Cheka; it is said that Yagoda immediately demanded to meet with the letter's author.[6]Frenkel himself claimed that he was whisked off to Moscow to discuss his ideas with Joseph Stalin and Lazar Kaganovich, one of Stalin's henchmen.....records show that Frenkel met Stalin in the 1930s and was protected by Stalin during the Partypurge years;..." Naftaly Frenkel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "Frenkel's special talent for improving inmate work efficiency was quickly noticed by the camp officials there, and it was not long before he was ordered to explain his ideas and methods to Stalin personally. His main proposal was to link a prisoner's food ration, especially hot food, to his production, essentially substituting hunger for the knout as the main work incentive.


Frenkel had also observed that a prisoner's most productive work is usually done in the first three months of his captivity, after which he or she was in so debilitated a state that the output of the inmate population could be kept high only by removing (killing off) the exhausted prisoners and replacing them with fresh inmates. " The Gulag Communism s Penal Colonies Revisited




Seems that if there are benefits available, there are always men who will serve big government rather than their sisters and brothers.
Is that what we want America's motto to be?

tl;dr



Which is the greater lie, your post or your avi?
 
1. A prime characteristic of totalitarian governance....Nazi, fascist, communist, socialist, Liberal, Progressive....is that the state, the representative of the collective, rises to preeminence over the individual....there are citizens who are perfectly content to work for the state, and against the other members of their community.
(John Kerry..cough...cough)


What surprises the student of government is how America has been changed to that sort of view.

a. The Founders foresaw a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

b. In Thoreau’s On the duty of Civil Disobedience, he states: “ There will never be a really free and enlightened State until the State comes to recognize the individual as a higher and independent power, from which all of its own power and authority are derived.”



By 'working for the state,' I am implying working against the interests, rights, and liberty of individual citizens.




2. Let's take, as an example, Naftly Frenkel, the man who made Stalin's gulags the "success" that they were.
And, of course, I mean "success," in the sense that that it destroyed millions...and gave rise to Hitler's concentration camps.


"Naftaly Aronovich Frenkel...was a Jewish Russian businessman and member of the Soviet secret police. Frenkel is best known for his role in the organisation of work in the Gulag, starting from the forced labor camp of the Solovetsky Islands, which is recognised as one of the earliest sites of the Gulag.

He rose rapidly from prisoner to staff member on the strength of his proposal to the camp administration that they link inmates' food rations to their rate of production, the proposal known as nourishment scale (шкала питания).


The story goes that when he arrived at the camp [as a prisoner!] he found shocking disorganisation and waste of resources (both human and material): he promptly wrote a precise description of what exactly was wrong with every one of the camp's industries (including forestry, farming and brick-making).[6]

He placed the letter in the prisoners' 'complaints box' whence it was sent, as a curiosity, to Genrikh Yagoda the secret police bureaucrat who eventually became leader of the Cheka; it is said that Yagoda immediately demanded to meet with the letter's author.[6]Frenkel himself claimed that he was whisked off to Moscow to discuss his ideas with Joseph Stalin and Lazar Kaganovich, one of Stalin's henchmen.....records show that Frenkel met Stalin in the 1930s and was protected by Stalin during the Partypurge years;..." Naftaly Frenkel - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia



a. "Frenkel's special talent for improving inmate work efficiency was quickly noticed by the camp officials there, and it was not long before he was ordered to explain his ideas and methods to Stalin personally. His main proposal was to link a prisoner's food ration, especially hot food, to his production, essentially substituting hunger for the knout as the main work incentive.


Frenkel had also observed that a prisoner's most productive work is usually done in the first three months of his captivity, after which he or she was in so debilitated a state that the output of the inmate population could be kept high only by removing (killing off) the exhausted prisoners and replacing them with fresh inmates. " The Gulag Communism s Penal Colonies Revisited




Seems that if there are benefits available, there are always men who will serve big government rather than their sisters and brothers.
Is that what we want America's motto to be?

tl;dr



Which is the greater lie, your post or your avi?
You doubt if I am, in fact, Will Robinson?

You Fool!
 

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