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1. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact.

He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.”



2. For Babeur, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”

a. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.


b. "Obama: No Difference Between Capitalism and Communism President Barack Obama confirmed all conservative doubts and worries about him in comments to young people in Argentina on Thursday. Not only did he say that the differences between communism and capitalism are intellectual rather than practical, he also declared that people should choose from either system whatever idea best suits the moment. This is the kind of thinking that created Marxism in the first place." Obama: No Difference Between Capitalism and Communism




3. "In Last Exit to Utopia, Jean-François Revel, who died at 82 in 2006 systematically contrasted the indisputable realities with the stubborn leftist commitment to dubious social experiments. Revel hated all utopias, and always put reality first. For him, the plain facts showed that capitalism worked better than socialism. Yet self-proclaimed intellectuals stuck to socialism even after it had clearly failed.
.... Revel would attack, with vivacity and much humor, the blindness of these leftist thinkers. In Last Exit to Utopia, Revel systematically contrasted the indisputable realities with the stubborn leftist commitment to dubious social experiments.

[e.g. Transgender movement: forcing everyone to participate in some people's delusions.]

He wondered why educated scholars would elevate utopian fantasy above reality? The failures of the Soviet Union, its mass cruelties, had been known in the West since the 1930s: André Gide had denounced them in his book, Return from the USSR. Scholars and journalists in the West did not need to wait for Solzhenitsyn to learn about the existence of the Gulag. Yet these truths had little consequence. Leftist intellectuals rationalized any bad news by explaining that the Soviet Union did not practice “real socialism.”

Revel’s books are thus deeply relevant to the current American debate on the future role of government: should good intentions (like “health care for all”) take precedence over the predictable bad results of such measures? Should political myths (the benevolent state) be fought with facts, or by promoting counter-myths (like the libertarian utopia)?"
http://www.city-journal.org/2009/bc1218gs.html



This is the present...the bullet we've all dodged in the recent election.....but next year, 2017....is a very significant anniversary.

I'll get to 1917 in a moment....
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.
Fuck that. I want my social security.
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.
Fuck that. I want my social security.
Trump's Great economy will happily provide the money for BOTH. You better start some 401(k)'s, too, though--just sayin'.
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.


"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

You'll be happy to know that, in America, that has been the case since 1986.

"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay."
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.
Fuck that. I want my social security.
Trump's Great economy will happily provide the money for BOTH. You better start some 401(k)'s, too, though--just sayin'.
I already have
 
The OP points to the paradox of the survival of socialism and communism in academia, in light of it's evident failures, and in the political realm.
The slaughter of over 100 million men, women and children in the name of material equality, is met with a shrug.


Its home, if not its birthplace, Russia, is, to this day, indecisive in its assessment.

4. "Tragedy or triumph? Russians agonise over how to mark 1917 revolutions

The February uprising sparked a brief period of democratic rule before the Bolsheviks seized power....

As the country enters the centenary of the tumultuous year that ended tsarism and ushered in the 70-year communist experiment, President Vladimir Putin faces the dilemma of how to commemorate the events that had such a huge effect on Russia and the world.



5. The year featured two revolutions: the February revolution (actually in March, according to the modern calendar) deposed Tsar Nicholas II after more than 300 years of rule by the Romanov dynasty, ushering in a brief period in which hopes for a democratic future flourished.

Lenin’s Bolsheviks, a small, marginal faction of fanatics who were not taken seriously in the aftermath of the February uprising, took control in the October revolution (actually in November).

During the Soviet period, 7 November, the anniversary of the revolution, was the biggest holiday of the year, and Lenin was memorialised in statues, literature and legends imparted to every Soviet schoolchild." Tragedy or triumph? Russians agonise over how to mark 1917 revolutions


Imagine how different, better, the world would be had not Franklin Roosevelt worked tirelessly to see that communism survived.
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.


"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

You'll be happy to know that, in America, that has been the case since 1986.

"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay."
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
No. You've used this argument before, but saving a life in an ER visit is not the same as routine, preventive good healthcare from the time you are born. I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess. This is SUPPOSED to prevent people who are bleeding to death or about to pop a kid from being thrown out on the sidewalk. If it were such a comprehensive Act, 20 million people would not have jumped for Obamacare.
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.
Fuck that. I want my social security.
Trump's Great economy will happily provide the money for BOTH. You better start some 401(k)'s, too, though--just sayin'.
I already have
Good.
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.
Fuck that. I want my social security.
Trump's Great economy will happily provide the money for BOTH. You better start some 401(k)'s, too, though--just sayin'.
I already have
Good.
I cant wait to get my quarterly report. I bet I gained some decent $$
 
1. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact.

He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.”



2. For Babeur, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”

a. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.


b. "Obama: No Difference Between Capitalism and Communism President Barack Obama confirmed all conservative doubts and worries about him in comments to young people in Argentina on Thursday. Not only did he say that the differences between communism and capitalism are intellectual rather than practical, he also declared that people should choose from either system whatever idea best suits the moment. This is the kind of thinking that created Marxism in the first place." Obama: No Difference Between Capitalism and Communism




3. "In Last Exit to Utopia, Jean-François Revel, who died at 82 in 2006 systematically contrasted the indisputable realities with the stubborn leftist commitment to dubious social experiments. Revel hated all utopias, and always put reality first. For him, the plain facts showed that capitalism worked better than socialism. Yet self-proclaimed intellectuals stuck to socialism even after it had clearly failed.
.... Revel would attack, with vivacity and much humor, the blindness of these leftist thinkers. In Last Exit to Utopia, Revel systematically contrasted the indisputable realities with the stubborn leftist commitment to dubious social experiments.

[e.g. Transgender movement: forcing everyone to participate in some people's delusions.]

He wondered why educated scholars would elevate utopian fantasy above reality? The failures of the Soviet Union, its mass cruelties, had been known in the West since the 1930s: André Gide had denounced them in his book, Return from the USSR. Scholars and journalists in the West did not need to wait for Solzhenitsyn to learn about the existence of the Gulag. Yet these truths had little consequence. Leftist intellectuals rationalized any bad news by explaining that the Soviet Union did not practice “real socialism.”

Revel’s books are thus deeply relevant to the current American debate on the future role of government: should good intentions (like “health care for all”) take precedence over the predictable bad results of such measures? Should political myths (the benevolent state) be fought with facts, or by promoting counter-myths (like the libertarian utopia)?"
http://www.city-journal.org/2009/bc1218gs.html



This is the present...the bullet we've all dodged in the recent election.....but next year, 2017....is a very significant anniversary.

I'll get to 1917 in a moment....
Very interesting post! :)
I remember when I studied the French Revolution in school I heard about Babeuf and his kind of communism!
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.


"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

You'll be happy to know that, in America, that has been the case since 1986.

"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay."
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
No. You've used this argument before, but saving a life in an ER visit is not the same as routine, preventive good healthcare from the time you are born. I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess. This is SUPPOSED to prevent people who are bleeding to death or about to pop a kid from being thrown out on the sidewalk. If it were such a comprehensive Act, 20 million people would not have jumped for Obamacare.



1. "saving a life in an ER visit is not the same as routine, preventive good healthcare from the time you are born."

Didn't you say this?
"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

Didn't I just prove it is?

If you feel the need to provide a Rolls Royce to every individual who doesn't have one....

....how about you reach into your own pocket for a change.


2. "...routine, preventive good healthcare..."
Perhaps you should restrict your post to subjects about which you have knowledge.
I've been in ER's....lots of folks there with their children having the sniffles or a fever.
Wise up.

3. "I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess."
Are you asking for my bio?
That's on a need to know basis...and, you don't need to know.
But...I will tell you that we came to this nation with nearly nothing, and are very comfortable now.

Fact is, my racial category has the highest income, highest educational achievement, and lowest crime rates in the nation.

4. "This is SUPPOSED to prevent people who are bleeding to death or about to pop a kid from being thrown out on the sidewalk. If it were such a comprehensive Act, 20 million people would not have jumped for Obamacare."
The Bolshevik program currently named ObamaCare is an immense failure, passed based on lies and the stupidity of Democrat voters.
All of that is provable.
The fact that you refer to it as a positive does not speak well for you.
 
1. A half-century before Karl Marx published the Communist Manifesto, there was Gracchus Babeuf’s Plebeian Manifesto, which was later renamed the Manifesto of the Equals. Babeuf’s early (1796) work has been described as socialist, anarchist, and communist, and has had an enormous impact.

He wrote: “The French Revolution was nothing but a precursor of another revolution, on which will be bigger, more solemn, and which will be the last…We reach for something more sublime and more just: the common good or the community of goods! Nor more individual property in land: the land belongs to no one. We demand, we want, the common enjoyment of the fruits of the land: the fruits belong to all.”



2. For Babeur, socialism would distribute prosperity across the entire population, as it would “[have] us eat four good meals a day, [dress} us most elegantly, and also [provide] those of us who are fathers of families with charming houses worth a thousand louis each.”

a. Oscar Wilde: “Under socialism…there will be no people living in fetid dens and fetid rags, and bringing up unhealthy, hunger pinched children in the midst of impossible and absolutely repulsive surroundings…Each member of society will share in the general prosperity and happiness of the society…”
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.


b. "Obama: No Difference Between Capitalism and Communism President Barack Obama confirmed all conservative doubts and worries about him in comments to young people in Argentina on Thursday. Not only did he say that the differences between communism and capitalism are intellectual rather than practical, he also declared that people should choose from either system whatever idea best suits the moment. This is the kind of thinking that created Marxism in the first place." Obama: No Difference Between Capitalism and Communism




3. "In Last Exit to Utopia, Jean-François Revel, who died at 82 in 2006 systematically contrasted the indisputable realities with the stubborn leftist commitment to dubious social experiments. Revel hated all utopias, and always put reality first. For him, the plain facts showed that capitalism worked better than socialism. Yet self-proclaimed intellectuals stuck to socialism even after it had clearly failed.
.... Revel would attack, with vivacity and much humor, the blindness of these leftist thinkers. In Last Exit to Utopia, Revel systematically contrasted the indisputable realities with the stubborn leftist commitment to dubious social experiments.

[e.g. Transgender movement: forcing everyone to participate in some people's delusions.]

He wondered why educated scholars would elevate utopian fantasy above reality? The failures of the Soviet Union, its mass cruelties, had been known in the West since the 1930s: André Gide had denounced them in his book, Return from the USSR. Scholars and journalists in the West did not need to wait for Solzhenitsyn to learn about the existence of the Gulag. Yet these truths had little consequence. Leftist intellectuals rationalized any bad news by explaining that the Soviet Union did not practice “real socialism.”

Revel’s books are thus deeply relevant to the current American debate on the future role of government: should good intentions (like “health care for all”) take precedence over the predictable bad results of such measures? Should political myths (the benevolent state) be fought with facts, or by promoting counter-myths (like the libertarian utopia)?"
http://www.city-journal.org/2009/bc1218gs.html



This is the present...the bullet we've all dodged in the recent election.....but next year, 2017....is a very significant anniversary.

I'll get to 1917 in a moment....
Very interesting post! :)
I remember when I studied the French Revolution in school I heard about Babeuf and his kind of communism!


Thank you!


"...I studied the French Revolution in school...."
I certainly hope they taught this:

"If the French revolution was the end of monarchy and aristocratic privilege and the emergence of the common man and democratic rights, it was also the beginnings of modern totalitarian government and large-scale executions of "enemies of the People" by impersonal government entities (Robespierre's "Committee of Public Safety"). This legacy would not reach its fullest bloom until the tragic arrival of the German Nazis and Soviet and Chinese communists of the 20th century."
French Revolution - Robespierre, and the Legacy of the Reign of Terror
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.


"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

You'll be happy to know that, in America, that has been the case since 1986.

"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay."
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
No. You've used this argument before, but saving a life in an ER visit is not the same as routine, preventive good healthcare from the time you are born. I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess. This is SUPPOSED to prevent people who are bleeding to death or about to pop a kid from being thrown out on the sidewalk. If it were such a comprehensive Act, 20 million people would not have jumped for Obamacare.



1. "saving a life in an ER visit is not the same as routine, preventive good healthcare from the time you are born."

Didn't you say this?
"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

Didn't I just prove it is?

If you feel the need to provide a Rolls Royce to every individual who doesn't have one....

....how about you reach into your own pocket for a change.


2. "...routine, preventive good healthcare..."
Perhaps you should restrict your post to subjects about which you have knowledge.
I've been in ER's....lots of folks there with their children having the sniffles or a fever.
Wise up.

3. "I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess."
Are you asking for my bio?
That's on a need to know basis...and, you don't need to know.
But...I will tell you that we came to this nation with nearly nothing, and are very comfortable now.

Fact is, my racial category has the highest income, highest educational achievement, and lowest crime rates in the nation.

4. "This is SUPPOSED to prevent people who are bleeding to death or about to pop a kid from being thrown out on the sidewalk. If it were such a comprehensive Act, 20 million people would not have jumped for Obamacare."
The Bolshevik program currently named ObamaCare is an immense failure, passed based on lies and the stupidity of Democrat voters.
All of that is provable.
The fact that you refer to it as a positive does not speak well for you.
.how about you reach into your own pocket for a change.
I've been getting scalped with taxes on my miserable salary all my working life. Hows about you stop making stupid assumptions based on nothing?

ObamaCare is an immense failure, passed based on lies and the stupidity of Democrat voters. All of that is provable. The fact that you refer to it as a positive does not speak well for you.
Obamacare is a failure, yes, because it tried to do the impossible--socialize a private system. I supported universal healthcare and if it had been enacted as Obama (and I) wanted, we would not be in this mess right now.
 
I think sometimes "pure" theory on either end has too many sharp edges. Fueling a primarily capitalist system seems "proven" to increase wealth for most. However, we need to take into account the ethical issues that medical science has progressed to the point that with $$ we can save and improve lives in radical ways. "Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness" now often involves a pill or an expensive operation way outside the means of too many. Maybe that medical care should be available to all, and we should all share in the expense for the greater good of a healthier populace.


"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

You'll be happy to know that, in America, that has been the case since 1986.

"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is an act of the United States Congress, passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospital Emergency Departments that accept payments from Medicare to provide an appropriate medical screening examination (MSE) to individuals seeking treatment for a medical condition, regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay."
Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act - Wikipedia
No. You've used this argument before, but saving a life in an ER visit is not the same as routine, preventive good healthcare from the time you are born. I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess. This is SUPPOSED to prevent people who are bleeding to death or about to pop a kid from being thrown out on the sidewalk. If it were such a comprehensive Act, 20 million people would not have jumped for Obamacare.



1. "saving a life in an ER visit is not the same as routine, preventive good healthcare from the time you are born."

Didn't you say this?
"Maybe that medical care should be available to all."

Didn't I just prove it is?

If you feel the need to provide a Rolls Royce to every individual who doesn't have one....

....how about you reach into your own pocket for a change.


2. "...routine, preventive good healthcare..."
Perhaps you should restrict your post to subjects about which you have knowledge.
I've been in ER's....lots of folks there with their children having the sniffles or a fever.
Wise up.

3. "I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess."
Are you asking for my bio?
That's on a need to know basis...and, you don't need to know.
But...I will tell you that we came to this nation with nearly nothing, and are very comfortable now.

Fact is, my racial category has the highest income, highest educational achievement, and lowest crime rates in the nation.

4. "This is SUPPOSED to prevent people who are bleeding to death or about to pop a kid from being thrown out on the sidewalk. If it were such a comprehensive Act, 20 million people would not have jumped for Obamacare."
The Bolshevik program currently named ObamaCare is an immense failure, passed based on lies and the stupidity of Democrat voters.
All of that is provable.
The fact that you refer to it as a positive does not speak well for you.
.how about you reach into your own pocket for a change.
I've been getting scalped with taxes on my miserable salary all my working life. Hows about you stop making stupid assumptions based on nothing?

ObamaCare is an immense failure, passed based on lies and the stupidity of Democrat voters. All of that is provable. The fact that you refer to it as a positive does not speak well for you.
Obamacare is a failure, yes, because it tried to do the impossible--socialize a private system. I supported universal healthcare and if it had been enacted as Obama (and I) wanted, we would not be in this mess right now.

1. "I have a feeling you were not raised and are not now relying on ER visits to keep yourself healthy. Just a guess."

"Hows about you stop making stupid assumptions based on nothing?"

Don't you just hate it when your own words become a boomerang???


2. "I've been getting scalped with taxes on my miserable salary all my working life."
Yet....
"Since [the Democrats began the 'War on Poverty'], U.S. taxpayers have spent over $22 trillion on anti-poverty programs (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusted for inflation, this spending (which does not include Social Security or Medicare) is three times the cost of all military wars in U.S. history since the American Revolution. Despite this mountain of spending, progress against poverty, at least as measured by the government, has been minimal."
The War on Poverty After 50 Years

One can't be too bright to still be voting Democrat.


3. "Obamacare is a failure, yes, because it tried to do the impossible--socialize a private system. I supported universal healthcare and if it had been enacted as Obama (and I) wanted, we would not be in this mess right now."
OMG!!!
There's really no hope for you.
The same excuse for the Leftists who whine 'communism...wasn't tried long enough! '

The Bolsheviks began the program....killed any who didn't play along...and it still didn't work.
Stop being a dunce.
 
6. Even in Russia, recognition of how communism/socialism- there are no real differences other than how to proceed- seems....schizophrenic

a. . "....the Soviet regime looked for ways to force the churches to accept the existence of the new order and to acknowledge their political subordination to it. In 1922....the churches were ordered to hand over all of their sacred treasures, including the chalices and vestments used for the holy sacrament.
The stated then seized the objects by force in the course of the expropriation over 8,000 clergy were killed and there were more than 1,400 violent clashes.....
The regime staged fifty-five trials of recalcitrant clergy.....executed a number of prominent churchmen..."
"The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia," by Richard Overy, p. 272-273

b. "More recently, figures from the distant past have also been co-opted into the narrative, including Vladimir the Great, the prince of Kiev who adopted Orthodox Christianity in 988, whose monument was erected outside the Kremlin last month. ...Under Putin, Russians are encouraged to see history as a long list of achievements, with darker elements such as Stalin’s purges and the Gulag brushed to one side." Tragedy or triumph? Russians agonise over how to mark 1917 revolutions


Doesn't look like a big win for communism, even in Russia.
Someone should let Obama know......
 
7. "Modern Russia has never properly dealt with the legacy of 1917. Across the country, the iconography of the revolution and its leaders is still confused. Visitors to Moscow can still pay their respects to Lenin’s mummified corpse, which peers sinisterly out of its glass box inside the marble mausoleum on Red Square. But across the cobbles from the founder of Russian communism, a flashy department store draws rich Muscovites to its expensive fashion departments.


....1917 is problematic. On the one hand, the Soviet state that came from the revolution was the one that won the war and whose military and scientific achievements Putin thinks should be venerated. But on the other hand Putin has elevated “stability” to being one of the key tenets of his rule, and as such celebrating a revolution goes against the very grain of his political philosophy.

Putin’s main public comments on the anniversary so far have suggested he indeed views the year as a tragedy for the Russian nation. " Tragedy or triumph? Russians agonise over how to mark 1917 revolutions



What an Alice-in-Wonderland world.....the head of Russia views the communist revolution, correctly, as "a tragedy for the Russian nation. "

While in the United States, millions vote for a dunce who claims communism the same as capitalism!!!!

OMG!!!!
 
8. "...a recent survey by the independent Levada Centre of pollsters showed that 53% of Russians have a positive view of Lenin’s role in history, compared with just 27% with a negative view..." Tragedy or triumph? Russians agonise over how to mark 1917 revolutions

What, exactly, are those 53% of Russians willing to embrace???

a. "Early socialists publically advocated genocide, in the 19th and 20th centuries. It first appeared in Marx's journal, Rheinishe Zeitung, in January of 1849. When the socialist class war happens, there will be primitive societies in Europe, two stages behind- not even capitalist yet- the Basques, the Bretons, the Scottish Highlanders, the Serbs, and others he calls 'racial trash,' and they will have to be destroyed because, being two stages behind in the class struggle, it will be impossible to bring them up to being revolutionary."
George Watson, Historian, Cambridge University.

b. And this...
September 11, 1932, Stalin wrote to his assistant, 'We must take steps so we do not lose the Ukraine.' So, 1932-1933, all food supplies in the Ukraine were confiscated.
Those who tried to leave were shot, those who remained, starved to death. Men, women, children. They died tortuously slowly.
NKVD squads collected the dead. They received 200 grams of bread for every dead body they delivered; often they didn't wait until the victim was dead.


And....
c. 'Lazar Kaganovich (together withVyacheslav Molotov) participated with the All-Ukrainian Party Conference of 1930 and were given the task of implementation of the collectivization policy that caused a catastrophic 1932–33 famine known as the Holodomor. He also personally oversaw grain confiscations during the same time periods.

'Similar policies also inflicted enormous suffering on the Soviet Central Asian republic of Kazakhstan, the Kuban region, Crimea, the lower Volga region, and other parts of the Soviet Union. As an emissary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party, Kaganovich traveled to Ukraine, the central regions of the USSR, the Northern Caucasus, and Siberia demanding the acceleration of collectivization and repressions against the Kulaks, who were generally blamed for the slow progress of collectivization.'
Lazar Kaganovich - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


A blind eye to those horrors?

Leftists, here on this board....the same.
When the starvation of million so humans was pointed out....this was the response from a board regular:

"Sure it wasn't 100 billion?"
FDR Admiration Society
 

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