Will Saddam’s WMDs Fall into the Hands of Al Qaeda?

[g5000]

Syria has been a close ally to Egypt and it is well known that Syria is a client state of Iran.

Egypt has not signed the Chemical Weapons Convention and has long appeared on various lists as having an offensive chemical weapons capability, and is thought to possess production facilities for sarin, VX, mustard gas, and phosgene. Additionally, it is possible that Egypt may possess limited stockpiles of chemical bombs, rockets and shells.

Syria is not a signatory of the Chemical Weapons Convention or the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty. It is believed Syria first received chemical weapons in 1973 from Egypt in the form of artillery shells.[citation needed] Since then it is thought Syria has one of the most advanced chemical weapons programs in the Middle East[citation needed]

Syrias Chemical Arsenal

Syria is thought to have amassed large quantities of Sarin, Tabun, Mustard and is currently weaponizing VX[citation needed]. Exact quantities are hard to know although the CIA has estimated Syria to possess several hundred liters of chemical weapons with hundreds of tons of agents produced annually.[citation needed]

Production

Syria has 4 main production sites. One just North of Damascus, one near Homs, one in Hama and one, al-Safir South East of Aleppo

According to the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Iran currently maintains at least two major facilities for the research and production of chemical weapon agents. Additionally, India is currently assisting Iran in the construction of another major facility at Qazvin, near Tehran, with the purpose of manufacturing phosphorus pentasulfide, a primary precursor for nerve agents. Iran began its production of nerve agents no later than 1994.

Iran signed the Chemical Weapons Convention on January 13, 1993 and ratified it on November 3, 1997, and denies allegations of having clandestine CW program in violation of CWC. In the official declaration submitted to OPCW Iranian government admitted that it had produced mustard gas in 1980s but that ceased the offensive program and destroyed the stockpiles of operational weapons after the end of war with Iraq.[3]

Chemical weapon proliferation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[g5000]

Based on the information in my last few posts, I hope it is now evident that the idea Syria's current sarin capability was somehow acquired from Saddam Hussein is ludicrous.

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[Wehrwolfen]

Somehow the Left conveiently Forgets the following:​

Arthur Herman
— July 2008

It is too often forgotten, not least by historians, that George W. Bush did not invent the idea of deposing the Iraqi tyrant. For years before he came on the scene, removing Saddam Hussein had been a priority embraced by the Democratic administration of Bill Clinton and by Clinton’s most vocal supporters in the Senate:

Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas, or biological weapons. . . . Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: he has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. . . . I have no doubt today that, left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again.

These were the words of President Clinton on the night of December 16, 1998 as he announced a four-day bombing campaign over Iraq. Only six weeks earlier, Clinton had signed the Iraq Liberation Act authorizing Saddam’s overthrow—an initiative supported unanimously in the Senate and by a margin of 360 to 38 in the House. “Iraqis deserve and desire freedom,” Clinton had declared. On the evening the bombs began to drop, Vice President Al Gore told CNN’s Larry King:

You allow someone like Saddam Hussein to get nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, chemical weapons, biological weapons. How many people is he going to kill with such weapons? . . . We are not going to allow him to succeed. [emphasis added]

What these and other such statements remind us is that, by the time George Bush entered the White House in January 2001, the United States was already at war with Iraq, and in fact had been at war for a decade, ever since the first Gulf war in the early 1990’s. (This was literally the case, the end of hostilities in 1991 being merely a cease-fire and not a formal surrender followed by a peace treaty.) Not only that, but the diplomatic and military framework Bush inherited for neutralizing the Middle East’s most fearsome dictator had been approved by the United Nations. It consisted of (a) regular UN inspections to track and dispose of weapons of mass destruction (WMD’s) remaining in Saddam’s arsenal since the first Gulf war; (b) UN-monitored sanctions to prevent Saddam from acquiring the means to make more WMD’s; and (c) the creation of so-called “no-fly zones” over large sections of southern and northern Iraq to deter Saddam from sending the remnants of his air force against resisting Kurds and Shiite Muslims.

The problem, as Bill Clinton discovered at the start of his second term, was that this “containment regime” was collapsing. By this point Saddam was not just the brutal dictator who had killed as many as two million of his own people and used chemical weapons in battle against Iran (and in 1988 against Iraqis themselves). Nor was he just the regional aggressor who had to be driven out of Kuwait in 1991 by an international coalition of armed forces in Operation Desert Storm. As Clinton recognized, Saddam’s WMD programs, in combination with his ties to international terrorists, posed a direct challenge to the United States.

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In a February 17, 1998 speech at the Pentagon, Clinton focused on what in his State of the Union address a few weeks earlier he had called an “unholy axis” of rogue states and predatory powers threatening the world’s security. “There is no more clear example of this threat,” he asserted, “than Saddam Hussein’s Iraq,” and he added that the danger would grow many times worse if Saddam were able to realize his thoroughly documented ambition, going back decades and at one point close to accomplishment, of acquiring an arsenal of nuclear as well as chemical and biological weapons. The United States, Clinton said, “simply cannot allow this to happen.”

For four days, American and British planes and cruise missiles bombarded Iraqi sites in an effort to degrade Saddam’s programs. The key objective was to knock out communication-and-control networks—and in this, a Clinton official would assert, Desert Fox “exceeded expectations.” But the attacks did virtually nothing to destroy facilities suspected of housing weapons, most of which were in unknown locations. The only way to find out where they might be was by reintroducing UN inspectors, something Saddam now adamantly refused to permit.

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We now know, thanks to captured Iraqi documents, that American intelligence seriously underestimated the extent of Saddam’s ties with terrorist groups of all sorts. Throughout the 1990’s, it emerged, the Iraqi intelligence service had worked with Hamas, the Palestine Liberation Front, and Yasir Arafat’s private army (Force 17), and had given training to members of Islamic Jihad, the terrorist group that assassinated Egyptian president Anwar Sadat. Saddam also collaborated with jihadists fighting the American presence in Somalia, including some who were members of al Qaeda. It may be that al Qaeda had no formal presence in Iraq itself, but the captured documents show that it did not need such a presence. Saddam was willing to work with any terrorists who targeted the United States and its allies, and he reached out to al-Qaeda-affiliated groups (and vice-versa) whenever the occasion warranted.

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[Cammmpbell]

Based on the information in my last few posts, I hope it is now evident that the idea Syria's current sarin capability was somehow acquired from Saddam Hussein is ludicrous.

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Nobody wants to mention the 1500(then state-of-the-art) ballistic missles Reagan covertly shipped to Iran might have already been used or could be in the future either.

 

[depotoo]

Hey fudgepacker(ette). "Probably one of the most despicable lies perpetrated by the Democratic Party was the claim that Saddam Hussein had no WMDs."

Somebody is lying. According to what you posted it's the author of the above quote, Comprehend?

WMDs were found in Iraq post invasion.

Did they find all that yellow cake that Rummy said was EVERYWHERE arround tikrit?

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says - CNN

The "yellowcake" uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government at the encouragement of the U.S. government, Whitman said.

The United States approached Canadian company Cameco to bid for the material, according Cameco spokesman Lyle Krahn. He would not disclose the winning bid amount.

 

[Wehrwolfen]

Based on the information in my last few posts, I hope it is now evident that the idea Syria's current sarin capability was somehow acquired from Saddam Hussein is ludicrous.

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Nobody wants to mention the 1500(then state-of-the-art) ballistic missles Reagan covertly shipped to Iran might have already been used or could be in the future either.

Can you substantiate that statement with some factual documentation?

 

[g5000]

WMDs were found in Iraq post invasion.

Did they find all that yellow cake that Rummy said was EVERYWHERE arround tikrit?

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says - CNN

The "yellowcake" uranium transfer was requested by the Iraqi government at the encouragement of the U.S. government, Whitman said.

The United States approached Canadian company Cameco to bid for the material, according Cameco spokesman Lyle Krahn. He would not disclose the winning bid amount.

Yellowcake is for nuclear power. It is not weapons-grade uranium.

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[g5000]

Based on the information in my last few posts, I hope it is now evident that the idea Syria's current sarin capability was somehow acquired from Saddam Hussein is ludicrous.

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Nobody wants to mention the 1500(then state-of-the-art) ballistic missles Reagan covertly shipped to Iran might have already been used or could be in the future either.

Reagan covertly shipped 1500 ballistic missles to Iran?



Check your facts.

The arms sold to Iran via the US were Hawk and TOW missiles.

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[depotoo]

500 shells of what?

You guys are funny.

Never really heard this term in general use until Bush coined it when he was running against Gore.

Our national policy toward Iraq has been an travesty since the British and US spooks waltzed Hussien into power in the first place. That was almost as big a farce as the US backing Ahmed Chalabi..

500+ shells of binary sarin. Additional shells of mustard.

It was on the news and discussed in Congress, for those who cared to pay attention.

The term has been around since WW II, by the way.

Here is the part you seem to have conveniently forgotten:

A Pentagon official who confirmed the findings said that all the weapons were pre-1991 vintage munitions "in such a degraded state they couldn't be used for what they are designed for."

Iraq sarin stockpiles found | News.com.au



Any chemical weapons Saddam may have had will all have been degraded in the ten years since the invasion. This fantasy that Syria has his WMDs is stupid.


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Sure, that's why Canada paid millions for all the yellowcake and it was shipped in secret. That's why a few of our soldiers got sick from the sarin and mustard gas shot at them.

 

[g5000]

So what do we have?

We have reports that Syria is preparing binary sarin weapons for use. It is assumed Syria is doing this to use the sarin against the rebels.

Then we have wild ass assumptions that Syria must have gotten the sarin precursors from Saddam Hussein. Because this fits some internal narrative on the part of the whackjobs who want to believe it.

As if Saddam Hussein was the only guy who ever had sarin.

What else?

We have experts saying the precursors of sarin last about five years.

We have the fact the invasion of Iraq was just about ten years ago.

We have some dipshits attempting to support their internal fantasy claiming our troops found 500 shells with non-degraded sarin.

Turns out the shells were degraded and were from pre-1991, and beaucoup evidence has been provided to back this up.

Then a couple people post articles about a roadside IED used in 2004 in Iraq that had sarin. However, I provided evidence this was pre-1991 degraded sarin.



Now a diversion is being attempted. Something about nuclear material. As if we all have the memory retention of a goldfish and will forget we are talking about the sarin in Syria.


The smell of flop sweat in the fantasizers is quite pungent at this point.

But that won't stop some other dipship from starting another topic soon about Hussen's sarin being used in Syria.





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[depotoo]

So what do we have?

We have reports that Syria is preparing binary sarin weapons for use. It is assumed Syria is doing this to use the sarin against the rebels.

Then we have wild ass assumptions that Syria must have gotten the sarin precursors from Saddam Hussein. Because this fits some internal narrative on the part of the whackjobs who want to believe it.

As if Saddam Hussein was the only guy who ever had sarin.

What else?

We have experts saying the precursors of sarin last about five years.

We have the fact the invasion of Iraq was just about ten years ago.

We have some dipshits attempting to support their internal fantasy claiming our troops found 500 shells with non-degraded sarin.

Turns out the shells were degraded and were from pre-1991, and beaucoup evidence has been provided to back this up.

Then a couple people post articles about a roadside IED used in 2004 in Iraq that had sarin. However, I provided evidence this was pre-1991 degraded sarin.



Now a diversion is being attempted. Something about nuclear material. As if we all have the memory retention of a goldfish and will forget we are talking about the sarin in Syria.


The smell of flop sweat in the fantasizers is quite pungent at this point.

But that won't stop some other dipship from starting another topic soon about Hussen's sarin being used in Syria.





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I don't think anyone can conclusively state that the sarin is from Saddam, but much points to the fact it very well could be.
Many Of Syria's Chemical Weapons May Have Come From Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Investors.com

 

[Sallow]

500+ shells of binary sarin. Additional shells of mustard.

It was on the news and discussed in Congress, for those who cared to pay attention.

The term has been around since WW II, by the way.

And just where did he get those big bad shells?

Oh yeah..Donald Rumsfeld.

Who probably personally blessed them before he used the ones that actually worked against Iran.

You were given the facts and you scoff at it... Why?

Because the war was never sold on chemical weapons.

It was sold on nuclear ones.

The Bush administration told lies..and many of them..in order to get this war crime under way.

 

[Sallow]

Based on the information in my last few posts, I hope it is now evident that the idea Syria's current sarin capability was somehow acquired from Saddam Hussein is ludicrous.

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Nobody wants to mention the 1500(then state-of-the-art) ballistic missles Reagan covertly shipped to Iran might have already been used or could be in the future either.

Can you substantiate that statement with some factual documentation?

Iran/Contra ring a bell?

Look it up.

President Reagan was a traitor.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Nobody wants to mention the 1500(then state-of-the-art) ballistic missles Reagan covertly shipped to Iran might have already been used or could be in the future either.

Can you substantiate that statement with some factual documentation?

Iran/Contra ring a bell?

Look it up.

President Reagan was a traitor.

That wasn't the only time the Gipper got his dick caught in a wringer. When 241 marines were slaughtered in Beirut, Lebanon....Reagan was given the coordinates of the exact point where the Hezbollah was holed up and missles were ready to fire. He pulled all our forces out. That was the only time I remember us falling on our sword like that. It was the birth of terrorism against the United States of America.

 

[L.K.Eder]

And just where did he get those big bad shells?

Oh yeah..Donald Rumsfeld.

Who probably personally blessed them before he used the ones that actually worked against Iran.

You were given the facts and you scoff at it... Why?

Because the war was never sold on chemical weapons.

It was sold on nuclear ones.

The Bush administration told lies..and many of them..in order to get this war crime under way.

it was sold on nuclear AND biological weapons, namely anthrax.

 

[g5000]

So what do we have?

We have reports that Syria is preparing binary sarin weapons for use. It is assumed Syria is doing this to use the sarin against the rebels.

Then we have wild ass assumptions that Syria must have gotten the sarin precursors from Saddam Hussein. Because this fits some internal narrative on the part of the whackjobs who want to believe it.

As if Saddam Hussein was the only guy who ever had sarin.

What else?

We have experts saying the precursors of sarin last about five years.

We have the fact the invasion of Iraq was just about ten years ago.

We have some dipshits attempting to support their internal fantasy claiming our troops found 500 shells with non-degraded sarin.

Turns out the shells were degraded and were from pre-1991, and beaucoup evidence has been provided to back this up.

Then a couple people post articles about a roadside IED used in 2004 in Iraq that had sarin. However, I provided evidence this was pre-1991 degraded sarin.



Now a diversion is being attempted. Something about nuclear material. As if we all have the memory retention of a goldfish and will forget we are talking about the sarin in Syria.


The smell of flop sweat in the fantasizers is quite pungent at this point.

But that won't stop some other dipship from starting another topic soon about Hussen's sarin being used in Syria.





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I don't think anyone can conclusively state that the sarin is from Saddam, but much points to the fact it very well could be.
Many Of Syria's Chemical Weapons May Have Come From Saddam Hussein's Iraq - Investors.com

To repeat myself for the third or sixth time, any sarin precursors Iraq MAY have had ten years ago are degraded beyond any useful purpose. Those are the real facts.



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[freedombecki]

And just where did he get those big bad shells?

Oh yeah..Donald Rumsfeld.

Who probably personally blessed them before he used the ones that actually worked against Iran.

You were given the facts and you scoff at it... Why?

Because the war was never sold on chemical weapons.

It was sold on nuclear ones.

The Bush administration told lies..and many of them..in order to get this war crime under way.

I didn't know it was a war crime to go after a leader who killed 1.3 million people in 25 years, .3 million who were his own citizens, and who funded 19 people's families who participated in hijacking the airliners on 9/11/2001, to hit America's financial sector.

Learn something new every day.

 

[g5000]

And just where did he get those big bad shells?

Oh yeah..Donald Rumsfeld.

Who probably personally blessed them before he used the ones that actually worked against Iran.

You were given the facts and you scoff at it... Why?

Because the war was never sold on chemical weapons.

It was sold on nuclear ones.

The Bush administration told lies..and many of them..in order to get this war crime under way.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

Here is the text of Colin Powell's speech to the UN.

He mentions Iraq's chemical warfare capability no less than 39 times.

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[g5000]

Nobody wants to mention the 1500(then state-of-the-art) ballistic missles Reagan covertly shipped to Iran might have already been used or could be in the future either.

Can you substantiate that statement with some factual documentation?

Iran/Contra ring a bell?

Look it up.

President Reagan was a traitor.

If you bothered to look up stuff, you would find your claim is bullshit.

Iran/Contra was about Hawk and TOW missiles, not ballistic missiles.


Don't make shit up.

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[g5000]

Let's return to the point:

Will Saddam’s WMDs Fall into the Hands of Al Qaeda?​

By: Daniel Greenfield
12-9-2012 |

Probably one of the most despicable lies perpetrated by the Democratic Party was the claim that Saddam Hussein had no WMDs. It was a lie of political convenience by a party whose top politicians had asserted the exact opposite until it became more convenient for them to jump on a new bandwagon.

After all that there would be a certain historical irony if Saddam’s WMDs were indeed finally found, but by Islamist terrorists into whose hands they fell after almost a decade of liberal political malfeasance culminating in their irresponsible support for the Sunni side in the Syrian Civil War.

Let’s map what that would look like

1. The Democrats sabotaged the Iraq War by preventing any enforcement action against the Syrian origin of the suicide bombers and terror squads in the early days of the post-war period. Meanwhile Syrian WMDs had been smuggled into Syria.

2. The Democrats took power and then backed an Arab Spring that put Syria into the crosshairs of the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda, exposing the WMDs to those terrorists.

3. Either the terrorists get their hands on the WMDs, in which case the likelihood of them being used on the US or Israel is very high.

4. Alternatively Syria turns them over to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard which ships them to Iran.

But back to the story…

As the regime of Bashar Assad disintegrates, the security of his chemical arsenal is in jeopardy. The No. 2 general in Saddam Hussein’s air force says they were the WMDs we didn’t find in Iraq.

In 2006, former Iraqi general Georges Sada, second in command of the Iraqi Air Force who served under Saddam Hussein before he defected, wrote a comprehensive book, “Saddam’s Secrets.”

It details how the Iraqi Revolutionary Guard moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria in advance of the U.S.-led action to eliminate Hussein’s WMD threat.

As Sada told the New York Sun, two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, and special Republican Guard units loaded the planes with chemical weapons materials.

There were 56 flights disguised as a relief effort after a 2002 Syrian dam collapse.





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Will Saddam’s WMDs Fall into the Hands of Al Qaeda?

Mm-kay?

This issue is chemical weapons. Not nuclear.

And this chemical fantasy has been thoroughly exploded.

Sarin precursors have a shelf life of 5 years.

What kind of fool believes Syria is using sarin that is five years past its shelf life?

All this bullshit fantasizing about imaginary chemical weapons from Iraq while the real culprits who created the weapons in Syria are let off the hook.

Dumbasses.


This is a case of people literally tricking themselves with their own misdirection!

Amazing.



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