Will Putin "Stop after Ukraine"?

[Rigby5]

WRONG

There was no stipulation for them to reunite. Russia had no say in it or ability to stop it

The Russians gave no one independance you MORON those nations simpoly left
The US does not want to put nukes on ther border you DUMBASS

Wrong.
East Germany was under Soviet control, and it was only up to the Russians if East Germany would be allowed to reunite or not.
Otherwise there would never have been a partition of Germany.
Germany never wanted to be partitioned.

Obviously no one left until Gorbachev allowed them to.
Otherwise they would have left sooner, and not all at once.

The ONLY reason why the US funded the 2014 Maidan coup was in order to put US nukes in the Ukraine.
The US put nukes Turkey and Poland, and always tried to put them on Russia's border.

 

[DGS49]

I am not stating that Russia will continue to other countries when he is done with Ukraine. THAT is the claim of the Uniparty, to try to justify sending untold billions to Ukraine.

I's saying, either that will not happen, or even if does, it will involve countries that we don't care about.

Further, I'm saying that the PURPOSE of NATO is to constitute a threat that Russia will respect. And he does.

 

[Rigby5]

That is not a treaty.

Baker and gorbachev are long since gone making such promises moot and irrelevant

YOU are the PROVEN liar

Wrong.
The fact both Baker and Gorbachev were so adamant on that obviously necessary stipulation, is because midrange nukes are now cruise missiles, so cannot be detected early like ballistic missiles can. So any chance of any border country joining NATO would be an act of war requiring immediate pre-emotive launch.

 

[Soupnazi630]

The US has supplied the Ukraine with billions worth of the latest US weapons, but Russia has no choice, since the Ukraine is inside the Russian defense grid.
They can never allow the Ukraine to join NATO.
They would have to nuke the US first, if that ever looked like it could happen.

They would never fire nukes

It would mean their total destruction

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
The fact both Baker and Gorbachev were so adamant on that obviously necessary stipulation, is because midrange nukes are now cruise missiles, so cannot be detected early like ballistic missiles can. So any chance of any border country joining NATO would be an act of war requiring immediate pre-emotive launch.

I am not wrong

What Baker and Gorbachev may or may not have said is irrelevant and not a treaty

We do not need those nukes on Russias border and have no intention of putting them there

 

[Rigby5]

I am not stating that Russia will continue to other countries when he is done with Ukraine. THAT is the claim of the Uniparty, to try to justify sending untold billions to Ukraine.

I's saying, either that will not happen, or even if does, it will involve countries that we don't care about.

Further, I'm saying that the PURPOSE of NATO is to constitute a threat that Russia will respect. And he does.

The Ukraine is the single most important part of Russia.
It is where Russia started.
Kyiv used to be the capital of Russia.
It only moved to Moscow around 1250 AD, to escape the Mongol invasion.
Its natives were always only Russians, until the Polish invasion around 1600.
The Polish invasion was defeated by 1700.
And only the west half of the Ukraine has an ethnic Polish population.

 

[Rigby5]

They would never fire nukes

It would mean their total destruction

Wrong.

First of all, Russia would have no choice but to fire first, since firing second would be too late.
Second is that Russia has always hardened, separated, and duplicated everything, to be prepared for a nuclear war.
They could easily survive one.
It is the US that would lose everything, from just 3 arial EMPs.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
East Germany was under Soviet control, and it was only up to the Russians if East Germany would be allowed to reunite or not.
Otherwise there would never have been a partition of Germany.
Germany never wanted to be partitioned.

Obviously no one left until Gorbachev allowed them to.
Otherwise they would have left sooner, and not all at once.

The ONLY reason why the US funded the 2014 Maidan coup was in order to put US nukes in the Ukraine.
The US put nukes Turkey and Poland, and always tried to put them on Russia's border.

WRONG

East Germany was not under the control of the USSR when they sought reunification. They did so while trhe USSR was on it's last breath,

The USSR forced the paritition after WWII and forced it for decades. They never allowed reunification under ANY circumstances

Gorbachev allowed nothing he was incapable of stopping it


The US did not fund the Maiden coup at all


You are a liar the US has not tried to put nukes on Rissias border since the sixties and does not want to

 

[Rigby5]

I am not wrong

What Baker and Gorbachev may or may not have said is irrelevant and not a treaty

We do not need those nukes on Russias border and have no intention of putting them there

Then why did we spend hundreds of billions on weapons for the Ukraine?
We never gave them to anyone else.
Why the Ukraine?

Why did we put nukes in Turkey and Poland?

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

First of all, Russia would have no choice but to fire first, since firing second would be too late.
Second is that Russia has always hardened, separated, and duplicated everything, to be prepared for a nuclear war.
They could easily survive one.
It is the US that would lose everything, from just 3 arial EMPs.

WRONG

They would never fire nukes

Russia is incapable of surviving a nuclear war

They know they would be destroyed
THOSE ARE FACTS

Your claim is MYTHOLOGY

 

[Soupnazi630]

Then why did we spend hundreds of billions on weapons for the Ukraine?
We never gave them to anyone else.
Why the Ukraine?

Why did we put nukeYe

Then why did we spend hundreds of billions on weapons for the Ukraine?
We never gave them to anyone else.
Why the Ukraine?

Why did we put nukes in Turkey and Poland?

Yes we did give them to others

We never put nukes in Poland EVER

We withdrew them from Turkey in the 1960s and never tried to replace them


You are a proven LIAR

 

[Soupnazi630]

The Ukraine is the single most important part of Russia.
It is where Russia started.
Kyiv used to be the capital of Russia.
It only moved to Moscow around 1250 AD, to escape the Mongol invasion.
Its natives were always only Russians, until the Polish invasion around 1600.
The Polish invasion was defeated by 1700.
And only the west half of the Ukraine has an ethnic Polish population.

WRONG

Ukraine is an independant sovereign nation which Putin illegally invaded.

 

[Rigby5]

WRONG

East Germany was not under the control of the USSR when they sought reunification. They did so while trhe USSR was on it's last breath,

The USSR forced the paritition after WWII and forced it for decades. They never allowed reunification under ANY circumstances

Gorbachev allowed nothing he was incapable of stopping it


The US did not fund the Maiden coup at all


You are a liar the US has not tried to put nukes on Rissias border since the sixties and does not want to

Easily proven wrong.
There were still Soviet troops in East Germany, so Germany could not have unified without Gorbachev's permission.
The Maidan coup show receipts where Hunter Biden transferred billions to ethnic Polish general in the Ukraine.
The US put nukes in Poland on the Russian border around 2010.
The US tried to put nukes in Lithuania and they refused them.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Easily proven wrong.
There were still Soviet troops in East Germany, so Germany could not have unified without Gorbachev's permission.
The Maidan coup show receipts where Hunter Biden transferred billions to ethnic Polish general in the Ukraine.
The US put nukes in Poland on the Russian border around 2010.
The US tried to put nukes in Lithuania and they refused them.

You failed to prove them wrong

The USSR had few troops left and they were helpless and disarmed and had to hitchhike back to the USSR

Rigby YOU ARE A BALDFACED liar

There are no such reciepts

FACT we never put nukes in poland


FACT we never tried to put nukes in Lithuania

FACT

FACT

 

[Rigby5]

Yes we did give them to others

We never put nukes in Poland EVER

We withdrew them from Turkey in the 1960s and never tried to replace them


You are a proven LIAR

Wrong.

{...
Since 2002, the U.S. had been in talks with Poland and other European countries over the possibility of setting up a European base to intercept long-range missiles. According to U.S. officials, a site similar to the American base in Alaska would help protect the US and Europe from missiles fired from the Middle East or North Africa. The Ustka-Wicko base of the Polish Army (at 54.554°N 16.620°E) was initially mentioned as a possible site of US missile interceptors. Poland's Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said in November 2005 he wanted to open up the public debate on whether Poland should host such a base.[9]

In February 2007, the United States started formal negotiations with Poland and the Czech Republic concerning construction of missile shield installations in those countries for a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System.[10] In April 2007 the Washington Post reported that 57% of Poles opposed the plan.[11]

Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO, if the United States went ahead with plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic.[12][13] In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe.[14] Putin said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under the Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States.[15][16]

In July 2008, Poland did not agree on the conditions set forth by the United States regarding the installation of anti-ballistic missiles on its territory.[17]

In July 2008, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that if the missile defense system was approved, "we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods."[18]

On August 14, 2008, shortly after the 2008 South Ossetia war, the United States and Poland announced a deal to implement the missile defense system on Polish territory, with a tracking system placed in the Czech Republic. The Russians responded by saying such action "cannot go unpunished."[19] Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's NATO envoy, said, "The fact that this was signed in a period of a very difficult crisis in the relations between Russia and the United States over the situation in Georgia shows that, of course, the missile defense system will be deployed not against Iran but against the strategic potential of Russia."[20]

A high-ranking Russian military officer warned Poland that it was exposing itself to attack by accepting a U.S. missile interceptor base on its soil. The deputy chief of staff of Russia's armed forces Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that, "by deploying (the system), it is exposing itself to a strike—100 percent".[21]
...
In March 2013, Polish Deputy Minister of Defense Robert Kupiecki announced that Poland intended to build its own missile defense within NATO, complementing the US deployment. Poland's tentative budget for the next decade is "$10 billion for the modernization of air defense, where half of this sum is dedicated to lower-tier missile defense."[35]
...}
United States missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia

So the US put old Sprint medium range nukes in Poland, under the false pretense they were somehow Polish.

 

[Rigby5]

You failed to prove them wrong

The USSR had few troops left and they were helpless and disarmed and had to hitchhike back to the USSR

Rigby YOU ARE A BALDFACED liar

There are no such reciepts

FACT we never put nukes in poland


FACT we never tried to put nukes in Lithuania

FACT

FACT

That is just lies.
The USSR still had all the same number or troops, tanks, planes, missiles, etc., are before the 1990s.
The only difference was SDI caused them to over spend.
Germany reunited because Gorbachev agreed to it.
And he agreed to it because we agree NOT to expand NATO eastward.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.

{...
Since 2002, the U.S. had been in talks with Poland and other European countries over the possibility of setting up a European base to intercept long-range missiles. According to U.S. officials, a site similar to the American base in Alaska would help protect the US and Europe from missiles fired from the Middle East or North Africa. The Ustka-Wicko base of the Polish Army (at 54.554°N 16.620°E) was initially mentioned as a possible site of US missile interceptors. Poland's Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said in November 2005 he wanted to open up the public debate on whether Poland should host such a base.[9]

In February 2007, the United States started formal negotiations with Poland and the Czech Republic concerning construction of missile shield installations in those countries for a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System.[10] In April 2007 the Washington Post reported that 57% of Poles opposed the plan.[11]

Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO, if the United States went ahead with plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic.[12][13] In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe.[14] Putin said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under the Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States.[15][16]

In July 2008, Poland did not agree on the conditions set forth by the United States regarding the installation of anti-ballistic missiles on its territory.[17]

In July 2008, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that if the missile defense system was approved, "we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods."[18]

On August 14, 2008, shortly after the 2008 South Ossetia war, the United States and Poland announced a deal to implement the missile defense system on Polish territory, with a tracking system placed in the Czech Republic. The Russians responded by saying such action "cannot go unpunished."[19] Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's NATO envoy, said, "The fact that this was signed in a period of a very difficult crisis in the relations between Russia and the United States over the situation in Georgia shows that, of course, the missile defense system will be deployed not against Iran but against the strategic potential of Russia."[20]

A high-ranking Russian military officer warned Poland that it was exposing itself to attack by accepting a U.S. missile interceptor base on its soil. The deputy chief of staff of Russia's armed forces Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that, "by deploying (the system), it is exposing itself to a strike—100 percent".[21]
...

Wrong.

{...
Since 2002, the U.S. had been in talks with Poland and other European countries over the possibility of setting up a European base to intercept long-range missiles. According to U.S. officials, a site similar to the American base in Alaska would help protect the US and Europe from missiles fired from the Middle East or North Africa. The Ustka-Wicko base of the Polish Army (at 54.554°N 16.620°E) was initially mentioned as a possible site of US missile interceptors. Poland's Prime Minister Kazimierz Marcinkiewicz said in November 2005 he wanted to open up the public debate on whether Poland should host such a base.[9]

In February 2007, the United States started formal negotiations with Poland and the Czech Republic concerning construction of missile shield installations in those countries for a Ground-Based Midcourse Defense System.[10] In April 2007 the Washington Post reported that 57% of Poles opposed the plan.[11]

Russia threatened to place short-range nuclear missiles on its borders with NATO, if the United States went ahead with plans to deploy 10 interceptor missiles in Poland and a radar in the Czech Republic.[12][13] In April 2007, then-President Putin warned of a new Cold War if the Americans deployed the shield in Central Europe.[14] Putin said that Russia was prepared to abandon its obligations under the Nuclear Forces Treaty of 1987 with the United States.[15][16]

In July 2008, Poland did not agree on the conditions set forth by the United States regarding the installation of anti-ballistic missiles on its territory.[17]

In July 2008, the Russian Foreign Ministry stated that if the missile defense system was approved, "we will be forced to react not with diplomatic, but with military-technical methods."[18]

On August 14, 2008, shortly after the 2008 South Ossetia war, the United States and Poland announced a deal to implement the missile defense system on Polish territory, with a tracking system placed in the Czech Republic. The Russians responded by saying such action "cannot go unpunished."[19] Dmitry Rogozin, Russia's NATO envoy, said, "The fact that this was signed in a period of a very difficult crisis in the relations between Russia and the United States over the situation in Georgia shows that, of course, the missile defense system will be deployed not against Iran but against the strategic potential of Russia."[20]

A high-ranking Russian military officer warned Poland that it was exposing itself to attack by accepting a U.S. missile interceptor base on its soil. The deputy chief of staff of Russia's armed forces Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn warned that, "by deploying (the system), it is exposing itself to a strike—100 percent".[21]
...
In March 2013, Polish Deputy Minister of Defense Robert Kupiecki announced that Poland intended to build its own missile defense within NATO, complementing the US deployment. Poland's tentative budget for the next decade is "$10 billion for the modernization of air defense, where half of this sum is dedicated to lower-tier missile defense."[35]
...}
United States missile defense complex in Poland - Wikipedia

So the US put old Sprint medium range nukes in Poland, under the false pretense they were somehow Polish.

WRONG

The US never tried to put nukes in Poland

Interceptor missiles are not nuclear.

no where does your article mention Srpint missiles

YOU ARE A PROVEN LIAR

 

[Soupnazi630]

That is just lies.
The USSR still had all the same number or troops, tanks, planes, missiles, etc., are before the 1990s.
The only difference was SDI caused them to over spend.
Germany reunited because Gorbachev agreed to it.
And he agreed to it because we agree NOT to expand NATO eastward.

No it is FACT

I state the truth you are the PROVE liar

No it did not have the same number MOST WERE WITHDRAWN the rest were useless

Germany did not need gorbachevs's permission and never sought it

The difference was that communism fails as always

He never agreed and was ignored because he was impotent and could not prevent it

THOSE are facts

 

[Rigby5]

The US has always put US nukes as close to Russia as possible, which is only good for a first strike capability.

{...
It has been well known for decades that the United States still stores nuclear weapons in Europe. The existence of the bombs is officially neither confirmed nor denied. According to the Trumpet, more than 180 American-owned nuclear bombs are stored in the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, Turkey, and Belgium.
...}

https://katehon.com/en/article/nuclear-weapons-lithuania

 

[Soupnazi630]

The US has always put US nukes as close to Russia as possible, which is only good for a first strike capability.

{...
It has been well known for decades that the United States still stores nuclear weapons in Europe. The existence of the bombs is officially neither confirmed nor denied. According to the Trumpet, more than 180 American-owned nuclear bombs are stored in the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, Turkey, and Belgium.
...}

https://katehon.com/en/article/nuclear-weapons-lithuania

WRONG

Europe does not mean on Russias border

the US has not tried to bukes on Russias border sicne we withdrew obselete nukes from turkey in the sixties

Turkey belgium germany and italy are no where near the russian border