Will America Go Communist?

[j-mac]

This is dumb...No, Communism will NEVER take a hold in America, not during our lifetimes that is....Communism has been the cause of mass death and destruction of freedom for centuries...Capitalism has been the engine of freedom...period.

"That is to say, merchants then descended upon the African continent manacling and handcuffing every African in sight, with the energy of demented and crazed bees, dragging them across the Atlantic, particularly to the Caribbean and to the North American mainland.

"This was prompted by the fact that the profits for the slave trade were tremendous, sometimes up to 1,600 or 1,700 percent.

"And as you know, there are those even today who will sell their firstborn for such a profit."

The Counter-Revolution of 1776: Origins of the United States of America - Zinn Education Project

Yep, an absolute stain on many countries history, including the young America's...They are free to return at will.

 

[j-mac]

Feel free to condemn corrupt plutocrats who always want favors from the government but recognize that free markets have raised tens of millions from poverty into the middle class.

Markets based on ability to pay are created to engineer vast fortunes for a few while impoverishing a majority of productive workers.

Your link uses a ridiculously low poverty line figure ($1.90 a day) because that's the only way to convince people capitalism doesn't generate more poverty with each passing generation.

https://www.quora.com/Did-capitalis...pitalist-socialist-or-communist-less-relevant

"If we want to stick with a single international line, we might use the 'ethical poverty line' devised by Peter Edward of Newcastle University. He calculates that in order to achieve normal human life expectancy of just over 70 years, people need roughly 2.7 to 3.9 times the existing poverty line.

"In the past, that was $5 a day. Using the World banks new calculations, its about $7.40 a day. As it happens, this number is close to the average of national poverty lines in the global south.

"So, what would happen if we were to measure global poverty at this more accurate level?

"We would see that about 4.2 billion people live in poverty today.

"That’s more than four times what the World Bank would have us believe, and more than 60% of humanity.

"And the number has risen sharply since 1980, with nearly 1 billion people added to the ranks of the poor over the past 35 years.

"The UN’s sustainable development goals, launched in September, are set to use the $1.90 line to measure poverty.

"Why do they persist with this implausibly low threshold?

"Because it’s the only one that shows any meaningful progress against poverty, and therefore lends a kind of happy justification to the existing economic order (Hickel 2015)."

The problem is that the form of government you espouse would have more move toward the lower lines of income, rather than upward to match the undeniable success that is America.

 

[bripat9643]

C'mon face the facts.

Ignorance is NOT bliss.

Capitalism, Fascism and World War 2

"There is a close and often ignored relationship between fascism and capitalism.

"German corporations financed Hitler's rise to power and were rewarded by slave labor.

"Krupp, I.G. Farben and other corporations used Jewish and Slavic slave labor.

"Alfred Krupp called girl babies born to his slaves 'useless feeders' because they were not as strong a potential worker as were boy babies.

"These girl babies were gassed."

Your “source” is a Communist crank. Hard to take you seriously.

Your “source” is a Communist crank. Hard to take you seriously.

Can you refute any of his content, like this, for example:

Capitalism, Fascism and World War 2

"I wonder what Americans would think if they knew that the part of this Nazi terror apparatus which operated on the Russian front was incorporated into the CIA after World War 2.

"The Nazi SS officer was Reinhard Gehlen, and he and his group were employed by the CIA for their knowledge of the Soviet Union.

"The SS death squads that followed the German advance into the Soviet Union were very brutal, killing any communists and Jews they found.

"The CIA used Nazi war criminals like Klaus Barbie, Walter Rauff, Otto Skorzeny and others in South America to impart their knowledge of torture techniques and concentration camps to the police and militaries there.

"Klaus Barbie was involved in the 1980 Bolivian coup known as the 'cocaine coup' that is described in former DEA agent Michael Levine's book The Big White Lie."

Your source is a communist website.

 

[Thunderbird]

Feel free to condemn corrupt plutocrats who always want favors from the government but recognize that free markets have raised tens of millions from poverty into the middle class.

"And the number has risen sharply since 1980, with nearly 1 billion people added to the ranks of the poor over the past 35 years.

Wow so deceptive! From 1980 to 2015 world population went up almost 3 billion. So the world poverty rate went way down. We’d see even more progress if we could get rid of socialist dictators in places like Zimbabwe and Venezuela.

You’ve really got to free your mind from random Marxist clowns on the internet.

 

[georgephillip]

Your source is a communist website.

Which is far more truthful than Trump.
Do you doubt the following:

Capitalism, Fascism and World War 2

"There is a close and often ignored relationship between fascism and capitalism.

"German corporations financed Hitler's rise to power and were rewarded by slave labor. Krupp, I.G. Farben and other corporations used Jewish and Slavic slave labor.

"Alfred Krupp called girl babies born to his slaves 'useless feeders' because they were not as strong a potential worker as were boy babies. These girl babies were gassed.

"American corporations invested heavily in Nazi Germany, and many like General Motors and Ford had factories there, which also used slave labor and produced war materials for the Nazis.

"US corporate investment in Germany accelerated rapidly after Hitler came to power. Investment increased 48.5% between 1929 and 1940, while declining in the rest of continental Europe.

"American bombers deliberately avoided hitting these US factories, and they received compensation from the American taxpayer for any damage after the war. US oil companies sold oil to the Nazis and oil on credit to the fascists in Spain."

 

[zaangalewa]

I hope the citizens of the USA are aware that the current US-government destroys the western world. The slogan "USA first!" is a slogan of the Brits from the year 1740. A discusison about "capitalism vs communism" is about hundredandfifty years old. And who speaks about Nazis is also not on the most new level of world history - except he asks himselve why people like the US-American "ambassador" Richard Grenell support all over Europe Nazi-movements.

Today! the USA is not only without political orientation - the USA fights active against the coherence and solidarity of the western world.

 

[bripat9643]

Your source is a communist website.

Which is far more truthful than Trump.
Do you doubt the following:

Capitalism, Fascism and World War 2

"There is a close and often ignored relationship between fascism and capitalism.

"German corporations financed Hitler's rise to power and were rewarded by slave labor. Krupp, I.G. Farben and other corporations used Jewish and Slavic slave labor.

"Alfred Krupp called girl babies born to his slaves 'useless feeders' because they were not as strong a potential worker as were boy babies. These girl babies were gassed.

"American corporations invested heavily in Nazi Germany, and many like General Motors and Ford had factories there, which also used slave labor and produced war materials for the Nazis.

"US corporate investment in Germany accelerated rapidly after Hitler came to power. Investment increased 48.5% between 1929 and 1940, while declining in the rest of continental Europe.

"American bombers deliberately avoided hitting these US factories, and they received compensation from the American taxpayer for any damage after the war. US oil companies sold oil to the Nazis and oil on credit to the fascists in Spain."

Pure unadulterated horseshit.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

No. Even so capitalism as we know it is a failure as a sustainable economic system

Really ? When did it fail ?

 

[Thunderbird]

Your source is a communist website.

Which is far more truthful than Trump.
Do you doubt the following:

Capitalism, Fascism and World War 2

"There is a close and often ignored relationship between fascism and capitalism.

"German corporations financed Hitler's rise to power and were rewarded by slave labor. Krupp, I.G. Farben and other corporations used Jewish and Slavic slave labor.

"Alfred Krupp called girl babies born to his slaves 'useless feeders' because they were not as strong a potential worker as were boy babies. These girl babies were gassed.

"American corporations invested heavily in Nazi Germany, and many like General Motors and Ford had factories there, which also used slave labor and produced war materials for the Nazis.

"US corporate investment in Germany accelerated rapidly after Hitler came to power. Investment increased 48.5% between 1929 and 1940, while declining in the rest of continental Europe.

"American bombers deliberately avoided hitting these US factories, and they received compensation from the American taxpayer for any damage after the war. US oil companies sold oil to the Nazis and oil on credit to the fascists in Spain."

You keep posting conspiracy theories without hard evidence.

Can you provide evidence that American bombers deliberately avoided US factories?

Stop lying in defense of a failed and murderous ideology.

Ethiopia's Mengistu found guilty of genocide

 

[anynameyouwish]

Don't ask Bernie.
Ask Trotsky or Trump.
From 1934:

"Introduction from Fourth International

"The campaign against Marxist ideas sponsored by the capitalist witchhunters today aims to implant the false impression that Communism is completely alien to American life and opposed to the welfare of the American people.

"In the Thirties, during the rapid spread of anti-capitalist feelings following the Great Depression, there was considerable popular interest in the prospects of a Communist America.

"On this account the editors of Liberty Magazine turned to Leon Trotsky for a bird’s-eye view of what the Communist future holds for the United States..."

"'At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union.

"'They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union...."

"Actually American soviets will be as different from the Russian soviets as the United States of President Roosevelt differs from the Russian Empire of Czar Nicholas II.

"Yet communism can come in America only through revolution, just as independence and democracy came in America.

"The American temperament is energetic and violent, and it will insist on breaking a good many dishes and upsetting a good many apple carts before communism is firmly established.

"Americans are enthusiasts and sportsmen before they are specialists and statesmen, and it would be contrary to the American tradition to make a major change without choosing sides and cracking heads."

Will Trump upset the capitalists' apple carts?

How many heads will crack before next November?

Leon Trotsky: If America Should Go Communist (1934)

Not on my watch!

Nor will you conservative fascists win, either.

 

[bripat9643]

No. Even so capitalism as we know it is a failure as a sustainable economic system

When did it fail, you lying commie douchebag?

 

[bripat9643]

Don't ask Bernie.
Ask Trotsky or Trump.
From 1934:

"Introduction from Fourth International

"The campaign against Marxist ideas sponsored by the capitalist witchhunters today aims to implant the false impression that Communism is completely alien to American life and opposed to the welfare of the American people.

"In the Thirties, during the rapid spread of anti-capitalist feelings following the Great Depression, there was considerable popular interest in the prospects of a Communist America.

"On this account the editors of Liberty Magazine turned to Leon Trotsky for a bird’s-eye view of what the Communist future holds for the United States..."

"'At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union.

"'They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union...."

"Actually American soviets will be as different from the Russian soviets as the United States of President Roosevelt differs from the Russian Empire of Czar Nicholas II.

"Yet communism can come in America only through revolution, just as independence and democracy came in America.

"The American temperament is energetic and violent, and it will insist on breaking a good many dishes and upsetting a good many apple carts before communism is firmly established.

"Americans are enthusiasts and sportsmen before they are specialists and statesmen, and it would be contrary to the American tradition to make a major change without choosing sides and cracking heads."

Will Trump upset the capitalists' apple carts?

How many heads will crack before next November?

Leon Trotsky: If America Should Go Communist (1934)

Not on my watch!

Nor will you conservative fascists win, either.

The term "conservative fascist" is an oxymoron.

 

[bripat9643]

Your source is a communist website.

Which is far more truthful than Trump.
Do you doubt the following:

Capitalism, Fascism and World War 2

"There is a close and often ignored relationship between fascism and capitalism.

"German corporations financed Hitler's rise to power and were rewarded by slave labor. Krupp, I.G. Farben and other corporations used Jewish and Slavic slave labor.

"Alfred Krupp called girl babies born to his slaves 'useless feeders' because they were not as strong a potential worker as were boy babies. These girl babies were gassed.

"American corporations invested heavily in Nazi Germany, and many like General Motors and Ford had factories there, which also used slave labor and produced war materials for the Nazis.

"US corporate investment in Germany accelerated rapidly after Hitler came to power. Investment increased 48.5% between 1929 and 1940, while declining in the rest of continental Europe.

"American bombers deliberately avoided hitting these US factories, and they received compensation from the American taxpayer for any damage after the war. US oil companies sold oil to the Nazis and oil on credit to the fascists in Spain."

Can you prove any of that? . . . . . . . . . .

I didn't think so.

 

[basquebromance]

when America is united, America is unstoppable

conservatives will ensure America will never go communist!

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

 

[georgephillip]

Can you prove any of that? . . . . . . . . . .

I didn't think so.

Forced labour under German rule during World War II - Wikipedia

"The use of forced labour and slavery in Nazi Germany and throughout German-occupied Europe during World War II took place on an unprecedented scale.[2]

"It was a vital part of the German economic exploitation of conquered territories. It also contributed to the mass extermination of populations in German-occupied Europe.

"The Nazi Germans abducted approximately 12 million people from almost twenty European countries..."

 

[georgephillip]

Don't ask Bernie.
Ask Trotsky or Trump.
From 1934:

"Introduction from Fourth International

"The campaign against Marxist ideas sponsored by the capitalist witchhunters today aims to implant the false impression that Communism is completely alien to American life and opposed to the welfare of the American people.

"In the Thirties, during the rapid spread of anti-capitalist feelings following the Great Depression, there was considerable popular interest in the prospects of a Communist America.

"On this account the editors of Liberty Magazine turned to Leon Trotsky for a bird’s-eye view of what the Communist future holds for the United States..."

"'At present most Americans regard communism solely in the light of the experience of the Soviet Union.

"'They fear lest Sovietism in America would produce the same material result as it has brought for the culturally backward peoples of the Soviet Union...."

"Actually American soviets will be as different from the Russian soviets as the United States of President Roosevelt differs from the Russian Empire of Czar Nicholas II.

"Yet communism can come in America only through revolution, just as independence and democracy came in America.

"The American temperament is energetic and violent, and it will insist on breaking a good many dishes and upsetting a good many apple carts before communism is firmly established.

"Americans are enthusiasts and sportsmen before they are specialists and statesmen, and it would be contrary to the American tradition to make a major change without choosing sides and cracking heads."

Will Trump upset the capitalists' apple carts?

How many heads will crack before next November?

Leon Trotsky: If America Should Go Communist (1934)

Not on my watch!

Nor will you conservative fascists win, either.

Not on my watch!

Nor will you conservative fascists win, either.

Which "conservative fascists" do you mean?

The New Rules of the Game

 

[georgephillip]

when America is united, America is unstoppable

conservatives will ensure America will never go communist!

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Opinion | The Grave Threats of White Supremacy and Far-Right Extremism

 

[basquebromance]

when America is united, America is unstoppable

conservatives will ensure America will never go communist!

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!

Opinion | The Grave Threats of White Supremacy and Far-Right Extremism

pathetic!