Why Would Anyone Wish Christianity to Not Be True?

[Weatherman2020]

I am not even talking about if you think Jesus is a myth. I am talking about wouldn't it be great if Jesus was real?

The stand up to the corrupt religious leaders of the time Jesus. The I'm going to take in all of the outcasts you so called religious people refuse to be around Jesus. The God so loved the world that he came to save us Jesus. The I am here to make you new Jesus.

What is the objection to walking with Jesus?

I won’t soeak for anyone else, but here is MY personal objection...

Under that belief system there is no reward for being god or punishment for being bad. So long as one has Faith truly in their heart and is baptized, they are saved. That makes no sense to me. It’s illogical and disgusting in my mind.

This truly became apparent to me in August of 2001 as I watched the most truly good and faithful person I’ve ever know wither away and die from Cancer while at the same time I watched 2 worthless sacks of shit suddenly see their maladies healed or go into remission. That hit me like a freight train and moved me away from any Christian faith, permanently.

Interesting. If heaven is real, why is it so terrible to go there? Yes, we miss them, just as we would if they went on a long vacation. But we shall see them again.
Been a lot of worthless sacks of shit throughout history. I will name one off the top of my head. He was the Captain of a slave ship. Transported slaves packed like sardines into the hold of his ship across the Atlantic. But then he and Jesus had a talk, and he quit. Then he wrote a song about his turnaround, which is what Christianity is all about. Making bad people better. I think you missed the point of why Jesus came here.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Actually the only way to have free will is to be able to reject God.

Hell is that place.

So God created us with free will but punishes us if we exercise that free will? Interesting plan.

God has no punishment for non believers. You make the choice of rejecting God, you do not go to heaven. It is you that sent yourself to wherever you end up.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Some people have distaste for the idea of a "forever sky daddy" and a celestial dictatorship. That's more of a distaste for theism in general, which inculdes Christianity.

Notice how you change "Abba" to forever sky daddy, celestial dictatorship. In other words pretending that the belief is something else than it is for the excuse to denigrate and defame the true belief. Pretense is rather a weak strategy, isn't it. All it seems to accomplish is to set up a bout of shadow boxing.

Childish name calling is because they are afraid it is true.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I am not talking about the Christianity that has been hijacked by people and religion throughout the centuries to gain power and control. I am not talking about what your opinion you learned as a child in some Sunday school class. I am not talking about what you learned from some friend or website about Christianity.

I am not even talking about if you think Jesus is a myth. I am talking about wouldn't it be great if Jesus was real?

The stand up to the corrupt religious leaders of the time Jesus. The I'm going to take in all of the outcasts you so called religious people refuse to be around Jesus. The God so loved the world that he came to save us Jesus. The I am here to make you new Jesus.

What is the objection to walking with Jesus?

Even right wingers don't want the Bible to be true.

Jesus supported slavery - OK, maybe Republicans are OK with that

The Bible supports abortion - Republicans hate that

The Bible tells you do support children and the sick and the poor and we know Republicans detest that.

The Bible is hardly for women's right - again, the Republicans support that.

The Bible is NOT a friend to the very rich. And that really, really pisses off Republicans.

So clearly, more Republicans hate what's in the Bible than support what's in the Bible. Considering how much Republicans hate gays, maybe it almost evens out.

My Theology class 101 is too advanced for you, let me know when you're willing to stop reading your crazy websites and learn.

 

[ding]

That isn’t the belief in Catholicism.

But let me flip that around because if you believe that everything arose from the material there is certainly no reward or punishment for anything beyond earthly pleasure or pain.

It’s not the belief in Catholicism but it is in most Protestant faiths. As Martin Luther said - “By Faith alone are we saved.” Good works are nice but nobody can be good enough to EARN their way into Heaven.

I believe in God, just moot the God of the Abrahamic religions. I believe in a far less polite or happy God. One who is very mean and vindictive.

Good works and behaviors are a manifestation of faith. Saying one has faith and having faith are not always the same thing.

 

[Meriweather]

Childish name calling is because they are afraid it is true.

It goes beyond that. Name calling is a desperate bid for attention to oneself, especially if one feels ignored. I doubt they have any fear that what we believe is true. They want what they believe is true to be noted and accepted--perhaps even gain a forum of its own.

 

[ding]

Exactly. Either the material world was created by spirit or it wasn’t. Wishing changes nothing.

Agreed, but isn't faith a form of wishing?

No. Not even close. Faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never place complete trust in anything without good reason. Do you?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I correctly pointed out your tactics.

They are not tactics at all, and certainly not my invention. This is big reason there are anti-thesists, which, by inclusion, would mean they hope Christianity is not true: Anti theists have distaste for a "forever sky daddy" and a celestial dictatorship. You can read or hear this in their own words, using a simple web search.

Again, if that offends you, that's your problem. Whining to me certainly doesn't change it. Ideas don't have feelings. If you get bent out of shape because of criticism of ideas, then you have some work to do on yourself before entering these discussions in the future.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

God has no punishment for non believers. You make the choice of rejecting God, you do not go to heaven. It is you that sent yourself to wherever you end up.

...because God made it so. Therefore, yes, its god's punishment. You aren't going to equivocate your way out of this. Own your nauseating,magical threats.

 

[Meriweather]

They are not tactics at all, and certainly not my invention. This is big reason there are anti-thesists, which, by inclusion, would mean they hope Christianity is not true: Anti theists have distaste for a "forever sky daddy" and a celestial dictatorship. You can read or hear this in their own words, using a simple web search.

Again, if that offends you, that's your problem. Whining to me certainly doesn't change it. Ideas don't have feelings. If you get bent out of shape because of criticism of ideas, then you have some work to do on yourself before entering these discussions in the future.

Try to understand I am not offended. I feel sorry for you--pity--because you have nothing other than a few silly insults. There have always been atheists in my family--and I married an atheist. They can articulate both their lack of belief and their own philosophies without it even crossing their minds a few insults would make their position better understood.

When someone serves a meal you don't care for, do you dig out a few insults and then tell your host/hostess that if they are offended by your well chosen insults, that is their problem? Then why do you believe insults have a place when addressing the beliefs of others? Think for a moment: What sounds like a spoiled child, and what sounds like an adult:

I don't believe in your forever sky-daddy.
I don't believe in God.

I would like to be able to picture you as a thoughtful adult rather than as an immature little brat, because I tend to become bored with spoiled little brats and I stop reading or responding anything attached to their name. (Which you may think is a very good reason for you to remain exactly as you are!)

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They are not tactics at all, and certainly not my invention. This is big reason there are anti-thesists, which, by inclusion, would mean they hope Christianity is not true: Anti theists have distaste for a "forever sky daddy" and a celestial dictatorship. You can read or hear this in their own words, using a simple web search.

Again, if that offends you, that's your problem. Whining to me certainly doesn't change it. Ideas don't have feelings. If you get bent out of shape because of criticism of ideas, then you have some work to do on yourself before entering these discussions in the future.

Try to understand I am not offended. I feel sorry for you--pity--because you have nothing other than a few silly insults. There have always been atheists in my family--and I married an atheist. They can articulate both their lack of belief and their own philosophies without it even crossing their minds a few insults would make their position better understood.

When someone serves a meal you don't care for, do you dig out a few insults and then tell your host/hostess that if they are offended by your well chosen insults, that is their problem? Then why do you believe insults have a place when addressing the beliefs of others? Think for a moment: What sounds like a spoiled child, and what sounds like an adult:

I don't believe in your forever sky-daddy.
I don't believe in God.

I would like to be able to picture you as a thoughtful adult rather than as an immature little brat, because I tend to become bored with spoiled little brats and I stop reading or responding anything attached to their name. (Which you may think is a very good reason for you to remain exactly as you are!)

Please stop whining. The comments I posted are the true thoughts of anti-theists. Nobody cares about your opinion of me, least of all me.

furthermore, equating my openly solicited remarkson an open discussion forum to unsolicited remarks in somebody's home is whiny and stupid, and you embarrass yourself to do it.

and you can mince and whine all night, but you still will not have translated my criticism of ideas to personal criticism of you or anyone else, no matter how hard you try. you are making a common error that religious people make, because you have nothing to rely on for the truth of these ideas besides your own credibility. And, thus, you take personally any insult to these magical ideas.

 

[Anathema]

Interesting. If heaven is real, why is it so terrible to go there? Yes, we miss them, just as we would if they went on a long vacation.

In the case of my father it was about the general unfairness of the whole situation. He had finally reached a point in life where he could stop having to do things for everyone else and start doing things for himself and my mom. Less than 3 years later he was dead from a Cancer he probably got serving his country.

Considering what I now believe I don’t believe he’s in Heaven. At best his Soul is back here somewhere trying to get it right. I don’t want to think about the other option.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Interesting. If heaven is real, why is it so terrible to go there? Yes, we miss them, just as we would if they went on a long vacation.

In the case of my father it was about the general unfairness of the whole situation. He had finally reached a point in life where he could stop having to do things for everyone else and start doing things for himself and my mom. Less than 3 years later he was dead from a Cancer he probably got serving his country.

Considering what I now believe I don’t believe he’s in Heaven. At best his Soul is back here somewhere trying to get it right. I don’t want to think about the other option.

If he made a decision to accept Christ, then he’s in heaven. It’s between him and God.

The point of Jesus is not to obtain a long life and die at 120, it’s about salvation and molding sinners into better people. Some of the happiest people I know are physically handicapped people, people who broke addictions, people who saved marriages, and yes, people who died from terminal illness. Because they understood who and why Jesus came here.

Again, Jesus is about saving our souls, not extending our time on this earth.

 

[alang1216]

Actually the only way to have free will is to be able to reject God.

Hell is that place.

So God created us with free will but punishes us if we exercise that free will? Interesting plan.

God has no punishment for non believers. You make the choice of rejecting God, you do not go to heaven. It is you that sent yourself to wherever you end up.

If I don't go to heaven what are my other options? I know of hell but I thought that is a place of punishment.

 

[Votto]

Actually the only way to have free will is to be able to reject God.

Hell is that place.

So God created us with free will but punishes us if we exercise that free will? Interesting plan.

God has no punishment for non believers. You make the choice of rejecting God, you do not go to heaven. It is you that sent yourself to wherever you end up.

If I don't go to heaven what are my other options? I know of hell but I thought that is a place of punishment.

Well sir, what is God? According to my faith, he is a God of love and life.

I suppose you can have anything that is left.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

According to my faith, he is a God of love and life.

That sounds nice. Such a god won't demand that anyone believe in him, much less worship him. Your god is the best god on this thread so far.

 

[Meriweather]

The comments I posted are the true thoughts of anti-theists.

You forget...I live with "anti-theists." Your thoughts are not their thoughts. I want theists on this board to understand that.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Your thoughts are not their thoughts.

Then you're a liar. My comments are the precise thoughts of anti theists, who hope no gods exist. And therefore, by inclusion, hope Christianity is false.

 

[alang1216]

Exactly. Either the material world was created by spirit or it wasn’t. Wishing changes nothing.

Agreed, but isn't faith a form of wishing?

No. Not even close. Faith is having complete trust in something or someone. I never place complete trust in anything without good reason. Do you?

What are you reasons for trusting in God? Has he spoken directly to you or do you accept the Gospels as His word? If the later, why? Do you not wish them to be true and the promise of an afterlife to be real? I think your wishes have given rise to your faith.

 

[irosie91]

I am not talking about the Christianity that has been hijacked by people and religion throughout the centuries to gain power and control. I am not talking about what your opinion you learned as a child in some Sunday school class. I am not talking about what you learned from some friend or website about Christianity.

I am not even talking about if you think Jesus is a myth. I am talking about wouldn't it be great if Jesus was real?

The stand up to the corrupt religious leaders of the time Jesus. The I'm going to take in all of the outcasts you so called religious people refuse to be around Jesus. The God so loved the world that he came to save us Jesus. The I am here to make you new Jesus.

What is the objection to walking with Jesus?

I am intrigued------to what "religious leaders" did Jesus "stand up" ?
and on what issues?