Can Atheists be Moral?

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    Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

    This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

    Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International
     
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    Socrates asks Euthyphro “Is what is morally good commanded by God because it is morally good, or is it morally good because it is commanded by God?”


    This is known as the Euthyphro dilemma.

    If God is merely an agent advocating some universal morality, then morality exists independently of God and, given enough time, humans could discover it through reasoning. In this case, we would not need God—the only role for God would be to help speed up the process of discovery. God would be unnecessary.
     
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    Of course they can.

    The bigger question is "can religious folks, like child-molesting Catholics, be moral?"
     
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    I like this idea:


    Let’s say we have a few hundred gods to choose from and a few thousand religions.
     
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    How can this God be moral when the past history of this God has God performing immoral acts and breaking his/her own rules, it's bullshit.
     
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    Send him to jail then. And visit him on Sundays.
     
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    Yes they can. Abortion loving democrats cannot! Pelosi should stfu!
     
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    I already did but no visitation that was over forty years ago..
     
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    If God were the source of morality, then morality is not objective but instead mind dependent, i.e. based on God's subjectivity.

    If the God cannot change his morals on a whim, God is not all powerful.

    If the God of the bible is the source of morality, then it is moral to rape, pillage, genocide and also to murder babies.


    Seems morality is a human construct based on the observable notion of cause and effect - and since we're a sentient, communal and empathetic creature, morals are based on the mitigation of suffering. This is proven over and over by the fact that over time, our morality has evolved and things that were considered moral hundreds of years into the past, or even just decades, are now considered barbaric.

    Also, as secular society evolves in this way, theists have been conforming to the new secular standards, and have been forced to reinterpret much of the old-guard morality of their ancient scriptures.
     
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    "1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not."


    1. god doesn't exist. the source of morality for people why believe in god does NOT come from a non-existant god. It comes from a book written by uneducated, ignorant, primitive savages.

    The fact that these people NEED a book (and a god) to tell them what is right or wrong, moral v immoral, is sad, pathetic and rather scary!

    what if that book says "kill gays and atheists and witches!"?


    And not just "I'm god....don't steal!"....

    that wasn't enough to deter them or make them moral.

    They needed FEAR!

    So god had to say "I'm god....don't steal....or YOU WILL BURN IN HELL!"

    Now THAT got their attention.

    (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

    ridiculous.


    I know right v wrong and I did NOT need a bible to tell me.

    In fact, MOST of what the bible says is IMMORAL is BS.
     

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