Why the USSR won against Nazi Germany

[DudleySmith]

Indeed i don't recall any Shermans at Kursk LOL! and that was the biggest tank battle in History.

lol the Sherman M4's were the Russian tankers favorite tank. Only idiots claim there were no Shermans in the Soviet tank forces; they recieved almost 4,000 of them, meanwhile their crappy piece of shit T-34's were being chewed up by the thousands.

1. Coakley R& Leighton R (1989) The War Department Global Logistics and Strategy 1943–45 US Center of Military History
2. Zaloga S (2017) Soviet Lend-Lease tanks of World War II Osprey
3. Loza D (1996) Commanding the Red Army’s Sherman Tanks University of Nebraska Press

The Soviets sent out their crappy highly expendable T-34's and kept their best tanks, the M4's and Brit tanks in the Pocket reserves at Kursk.

 

[Deadstick]

lol the Sherman M4's were the Russian tankers favorite tank. Only idiots claim there were no Shermans in the Soviet tank forces; they recieved almost 4,000 of them, meanwhile their crappy piece of shit T-34's were being chewed up by the thousands.

1. Coakley R& Leighton R (1989) The War Department Global Logistics and Strategy 1943–45 US Center of Military History
2. Zaloga S (2017) Soviet Lend-Lease tanks of World War II Osprey
3. Loza D (1996) Commanding the Red Army’s Sherman Tanks University of Nebraska Press

The Soviets sent out their crappy highly expendable T-34's and kept their best tanks, the M4's and Brit tanks in the Pocket reserves at Kursk.

The T-34 was one of the best tanks of the war they were very crude built but got the job done, i have seen one close up have you? they chased the Nazis all the way from Moscow to Berlin, according to your ridiculous nonsense the Soviets didn't take part in the War it was the Americans and the British who won it, the Soviets destroyed 80% of axis forces, it must really piss you off, but it was a joint effort with the Soviets and the Allies end of.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Really? Do you think that the United States, being on the other side of the globe, supplied everything to the USSR? How did it happen that Germany, a strong European power using the resources of the entire occupied Europe, could not supply just one army in Stalingrad... It was very close for them and the USSR had almost no American weapons at that time... 90% of land- Lease went to England. In the USSR, Lend-Lease accounted for 4% of all weapons and military materials used by the USSR in the war.

I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs. Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing. John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces." From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Major Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.

5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson's "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, an put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.

a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant. Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse." Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.



When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence form KGB archived, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.



Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?



No doubt.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Blackmailed how? you are talking total bollocks, Nato shouldn't even exist it's just a violent criminal gang an enforcer for the US Reich, it just hit the buffers in Ukraine.

Read some real history, Russia blackmailed Finland into giving up a significant city and a lot of territory to Russia at the end of WWII. Russia spent the post war decades extorting Finland to buy Soviet equipment at inflated prices and restricted Finland's economic ties to the west.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The T-34 was one of the best tanks of the war they were very crude built but got the job done, i have seen one close up have you? they chased the Nazis all the way from Moscow to Berlin, according to your ridiculous nonsense the Soviets didn't take part in the War it was the Americans and the British who won it, the Soviets destroyed 80% of axis forces, it must really piss you off, but it was a joint effort with the Soviets and the Allies end of.

The T-34s only claim to fame is that it was the most destroyed tank of the war. It isn't even in the top ten tanks; it was barely better than the Japanese death traps they called tanks.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek. Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.

2. Further, supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.

3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs. Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing. John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces." From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Major Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.

5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson's "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, and put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.

a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant. Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse." Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.



When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence form KGB archived, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.



Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?



No doubt.

Bones Rattling in the Graveyard of the Old Right

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Nato shouldn't even exist it's just a violent criminal gang an enforcer for the US Reich, it just hit the buffers in Ukraine.

NYETO Is a Globalist Front-Group

 

[Robert W]

Because it was a "just" war.

Germany attacked the Soviet Union.

Bad as the SU was - Nazi Germany was worse.

Most puntis predicted Russia would fall within months.

Germany violated theRippontrop-Molotov peace treaty -so there fore Rusia had the high moral ground.

Here is the actual angle. The Soviets only fought one enemy. Hitler and his Nazis. Hitler had to fight many enemies.

 

[Deadstick]

Read some real history, Russia blackmailed Finland into giving up a significant city and a lot of territory to Russia at the end of WWII. Russia spent the post war decades extorting Finland to buy Soviet equipment at inflated prices and restricted Finland's economic ties to the west.

You could say that is the price of siding with Hitler, cry me a river.

 

[Deadstick]

Here is the actual angle. The Soviets only fought one enemy. Hitler and his Nazis. Hitler had to fight many enemies.

Hitler had allies, like Romania, Italy, and quite a few others.

 

[Deadstick]

The T-34s only claim to fame is that it was the most destroyed tank of the war. It isn't even in the top ten tanks; it was barely better than the Japanese death traps they called tanks.

You are just being silly.

 

[Robert W]

I hate to even suggest it, but I often wonder if that Germany army was not the best army the world has ever known? We'll never really know, however, still....

That is a good observation. Keep in mind people that an Army has a mission. To win combat missions. Even if you hate the nation, it does not hint it's army was not excellent. The Soviets lost millions in combat as I understand what they lost.

 

[Robert W]

Hitler had allies, like Romania, Italy, and quite a few others.

Those were not effective as was the German forces.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

You could say that is the price of siding with Hitler, cry me a river.

They Didn't Need to Be There

The Finns participated in the Nazi siege of Leningrad, where hundreds of thousands of Russians starved to death, including Putin's brother.

 

[Deadstick]

They Didn't Need to Be There

The Finns participated in the Nazi siege of Leningrad, where hundreds of thousands of Russians starved to death, including Putin's brother.

Correct.

 

[there4eyeM]

Hitler's strategy was flawed to such an extent that, given his position in early 1941, invading Russia was the "Götterdammerung" of his trajectory of power.

 

[Deadstick]

Those were not effective as was the German forces.

So what? there were many Ukrainians in Russia thousands were captured at Stalingrad, not to mention all the SS volunteers from Europe, the same clowns who now signed up to Nato, some people never learn.

 

[Ringo]

Read some real history, Russia blackmailed Finland into giving up a significant city and a lot of territory to Russia at the end of WWII. Russia spent the post war decades extorting Finland to buy Soviet equipment at inflated prices and restricted Finland's economic ties to the west.

You are the definition of an ignorant simpleton.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Bones Rattling in the

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Bones Rattling in the Graveyard of the Old Right

Everything I post is documented. I'll assume that you are a simpeton in sway of the Bolsheviks and Jacobins, the Democrats.

 

[PoliticalChic]

1. It is well known and documented that FDR's administration was riddled with Stalin's agents, and, in many ways, policy was directed from Moscow. Case in point, aid to Mao and resistance to helping Chiang Kaichek. Less well known, when told about the spies, Roosevelt simply laughed.

2. Further, supplies didn't just "flow" to the Soviet Union, they flooded it, including non-military supplies: a tire plant, an oil refinery, pipe-fabricating works, over a million miles of copper wire, switchboard-panels, lathes and power tools, textile machinery, woodworking, typesetting, cranes hoists, derricks, air compressors, $152 million in women's 'dress goods,' 18.4 million pounds of writing paper, cigarette cases, jeweled watches, lipstick, liquor, bathtubs, and pianos.

a. " A year and a half after WWII began in Europe, Roosevelt’s Lend-Lease supplied a prodigious amount of war materiel to Russia, without which the embattled Red Army, the only challenge to Hitler’s forces, would have been defeated. The temporary congruence of interests was called an alliance, albeit a strange one. For example, when the Americans tried to find a way that long-range American bombers could land in Russia to re-fuel, so as to bomb deep into Germany, the Russians were found to be suspicious, ungrateful, secretive, xenophobic, unfriendly, in short….a great deal of take and very little give." “The Anti-Communist Manifestos,” by John V. Fleming, chapter six.

3. George Kennan wrote: "there is no adequate justification for continuing a program of lavish and almost indiscriminate aid to the Soviet Union at a time when there was increasing reason to doubt whether her purposes in Eastern Europe, aside from the defeat of Germany, would be ones which we Americans could approve and sponsor." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. xvii.

4. I challenge FDR apologists to explain government largesse to Soviet Russia, even superseding Allied, or even American military needs. Or American civilian needs: 217,660,666 pounds of butter shipped to the USSR during a time of strict state-side rationing. John R. Deane, "The Strange Alliance: The Story of Our Efforts at Wartime Cooperation With Russia," p.94-95.

a. "The President has directed that 'airplanes be delivered in accordance with protocol schedules by the most expeditious means.' To implement these directives, the modification, equipment and movement of Russian planes have been given first priority, even over planes for US Army Air Forces." From the diaries of Maj. George Racey Jordan, supervisory 'expediter' of Soviet Lend-Lease aid, p. 20.

b. At Congressional Hearing Regarding Shipments of Atomic Material to the Soviet Union During WWII, Washington GPO, 1950, p.909-910, Major Jordon would tell Congress that he kept this presidential directive on his person to show incredulous officers.

5. What was the cost of FDR's unswerving dedication to the Soviets? One example, found in Paul Johnson's "Modern Times," 'included 200 modern fighter aircraft, originally intended for Britain's highly vulnerable base in Singapore, which had no modern fighters at all. The diversion of these aircraft, plus tanks, to Russia sealed the fate of Singapore." Johnson, Op.Cit., p. 386.

a. Singapore fell February 15, 1942.

6. "He (FDR) left no doubt of the importance he attached to aid to Russia. 'I would go out and take the stuff off the shelves of the stores,' he told [Treasure Secretary Henry] Morganthau on March 11, 1942, 'and pay them any price necessary, and put it in a truck and rush it to the boat...Nothing would be worse than to have the Russians collapse." George C. Herring, "Aid to Russia," p. 42,56.

a. Be clear as what 'nothing' meant. Japan attacked 151,000 Americans and Filipinos stationed in the Philippines. Think Bataan and Corregidor. The 200 modern fighters originally meant for Singapore would have been there...but were in Russia.

b. Roosevelt: "I would rather lose New Zealand, Australia or anything else than have the Russian front collapse." Robert Dallek, "Franklin D. Roosevelt and American Foreign Policy, 1932-1945," p. 338.



When one begins to consider FDR's 'Russia Uber Alles' policy, evidence form KGB archived, opened in 1991, and the Venona Papers, sheds dispositive light on the reasons for said policy.



Was FDR a dupe of Soviet influence?



No doubt.

All documented, and available to those who can read, which leaves out Democrats.