Why Progressives always call it "Reform"

[Oddball]

The idea does trace its roots to conservatives in the late '80s/early '90s.

And it took "progressives" to ram it through.

Are you saying you guys don't have any original ideas?

I imagine it was felt that passing a centrist Republican bill (was was done) had a better chance of success than anything else.

One-word answer: No.

 

[rightwinger]

Maybe because it is reform

Taking the backward, punative policies of the Conservatives and transforming it into a modern agenda ....is reform

You mean punitive policies like taxing anyone who doesn't buy mandatory health insurance?

Do you have health insurance?

Just trying to get some perspective here

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes in the Jake Starkey Republican Centrist sort of way

More like in the Kit Bond, Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar, and Chuck Grassley sort of way.

How many centrist Republicans voted for the Republican Centrist Plan AKA: ObamaCare?

 

[Oddball]

Yes in the Jake Starkey Republican Centrist sort of way

More like in the Kit Bond, Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar, and Chuck Grassley sort of way.

Really?...Then why didn't any of those "centrists" vote for Obolshevikcare?

BTW...Anyone find it odd that someone recently touted as one of the most "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) members of the Senate (Bob Bennett) is now a "centrist" when it's handy to label him as such?

 

[Greenbeard]

How many centrist Republicans voted for the Republican Centrist Plan AKA: ObamaCare?

This year or when it was introduced in 1993?

 

[hipeter924]

The idea does trace its roots to conservatives in the late '80s/early '90s.

Marxists: So devoid of any new bad ideas that they have to steal them form republicans.

They were originally rich intellectuals ranting and raving some nonsense, then some workers decided to follow it, and thus Marxism was born. How people actually believe Marxism is a workers movement is beyond me, as for Communism its a system that promotes a government and military elite that own all the wealth and leave everyone else destitute and starving just like our good 'friends' in North Korea.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Yes in the Jake Starkey Republican Centrist sort of way

More like in the Kit Bond, Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar, and Chuck Grassley sort of way.

Thanks again for reinforcing the central thesis of the OP: Progressives cloak fundamental change as Reform

 

[boedicca]

Maybe because it is reform

Taking the backward, punative policies of the Conservatives and transforming it into a modern agenda ....is reform

You mean punitive policies like taxing anyone who doesn't buy mandatory health insurance?

Do you have health insurance?

Just trying to get some perspective here

A lot of healthy employees in their 20s opt out of the expensive health care options (soon to be required by Obamacare). This program is just another income transfer from the relatively young to the relatively old.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How many centrist Republicans voted for the Republican Centrist Plan AKA: ObamaCare?

This year or when it was introduced in 1993?

Obama was moving pakalolo for the Choom gang back in '93, let's deal with the present

 

[Big Fitz]

Maybe because it is reform

Taking the backward, punitive policies of the Conservatives and transforming it into a modern agenda ....is reform

I love it! Another overton window of terminology shift! They're blaming CONSERVATIVES, who haven't been in power in the GOP since the 1920's instead of who was really in power of the Republicans: the progressive blue bloods. The two are not the same. You would occasionally get a conservative member of the GOP, or even the DNC (not since the 1960's though) and they were rarely given anything of authority from the blue blood elitist republicans.

But it's a nice little attempt to redefine the issue and control the language.

 

[HUGGY]

I admire the skill with which Progressives have undermined and fundamentally altered American society and civilization. They are patient, they are cunning and they are absolutely ruthless.

One of the marvelous ways they've Body Snatched our civilization is by couching their fundamental changes as "reforms"

Health Care Reform now means real live genuine Eugenicists and a President who has stated he is "God's partner in matter of live and death" now have control of the health care system.

The idea of selling a fundamental rewrite as "Reform" is not new. One reason the Progressive have been so successful is that they have sabotaged the educational system.

Machiavelli's "The Prince" and "Discourses" was required reading at one point and most, if not all of our Founders knew the work.

I went through NYC public education and then Queens College then Manhattan College. But for a 7th Grade class that studied Dante and read "The Inferno" (the last line of Chapter XXI where Dante and Virgil receive a signal they can pass when the Guardian "Makes a trumpet of his ass" had us in hysterics for weeks and gave us a love of the classics) I never picked up The Prince.

I did now and I HIGHLY recommend you do the same!

CHAPTER XXV

That he who would reform the Institutions of a free State, must retain at least the semblance of old Ways.

WHOEVER TAKES UPON HIM to reform the government of a city, must, if his measures are to be well received and carried out with general approval, preserve at least the semblance of existing methods, so as not to appear to the people to have made any change in the old order of things; although, in truth, the new ordinances differ altogether from those which they replace. For when this is attended to, the mass of mankind accept what seems as what is; nay, are often touched more nearly by appearances than by realities.

http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/machiavelli/Machiavelli-Discourses-Titus-Livius.pdf

Sounds familiar?

Why Progressives always call it "Reform"

Nothing to fix here...nothing to see...just move along!

 

[JBeukema]

a President who has stated he is "God's partner in matter of live and death"

You'd think Republicans would love the guy

 

[Oddball]

How many centrist Republicans voted for the Republican Centrist Plan AKA: ObamaCare?

This year or when it was introduced in 1993?

Amazing...You pinkos can't even take ownership of that which you steal.

 

[Greenbeard]

Obama was moving pakalolo for the Choom gang back in '93, let's deal with the present

Other than Cao, none of course. Although if you're concerned about the individual mandate Lamar Alexander, Bob Bennett, Mike Crapo, and Linsdey Graham are still signed on as co-sponsors of Wyden-Bennett in the Senate.

 

[The T]

Yes in the Jake Starkey Republican Centrist sort of way

More like in the Kit Bond, Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar, and Chuck Grassley sort of way.

Really?...Then why didn't any of those "centrists" vote for Obolshevikcare?

BTW...Anyone find it odd that someone recently touted as one of the most "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) members of the Senate (Bob Bennett) is now a "centrist" when it's handy to label him as such?

Is this the same Bob Bennett that has an axe to grind with the Tea Party?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obama was moving pakalolo for the Choom gang back in '93, let's deal with the present

Other than Cao, none of course. Although if you're concerned about the individual mandate Lamar Alexander, Bob Bennett, Mike Crapo, and Linsdey Graham are still signed on as co-sponsors of Wyden-Bennett in the Senate.

Whole different era, much like the American support Hitler enjoyed before the Death Camps.

 

[Oddball]

More like in the Kit Bond, Bob Bennett, Orrin Hatch, Dick Lugar, and Chuck Grassley sort of way.

Really?...Then why didn't any of those "centrists" vote for Obolshevikcare?

BTW...Anyone find it odd that someone recently touted as one of the most "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) members of the Senate (Bob Bennett) is now a "centrist" when it's handy to label him as such?

Is this the same Bob Bennett that has an axe to grind with the Tea Party?

The very same.

 

[JBeukema]

How many centrist Republicans voted for the Republican Centrist Plan AKA: ObamaCare?

This year or when it was introduced in 1993?

Amazing...You pinkos can't even take ownership of that which you steal.

They did. They coopted it.


Repubs vote against their own bills now so they can say they voted against the ****** president.

 

[Oddball]

Obama was moving pakalolo for the Choom gang back in '93, let's deal with the present

Other than Cao, none of course. Although if you're concerned about the individual mandate Lamar Alexander, Bob Bennett, Mike Crapo, and Linsdey Graham are still signed on as co-sponsors of Wyden-Bennett in the Senate.

Whole different era, much like the American support Hitler enjoyed before the Death Camps.

Oh, and lest we forget that the progressive Fabians of that day were practically throwing rose petals at Mussolini's feet as well.

 

[The T]

Really?...Then why didn't any of those "centrists" vote for Obolshevikcare?

BTW...Anyone find it odd that someone recently touted as one of the most "conservative" (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean anymore) members of the Senate (Bob Bennett) is now a "centrist" when it's handy to label him as such?

Is this the same Bob Bennett that has an axe to grind with the Tea Party?

The very same.

Destroying the GOP... They have done that quite well on their own. Or didn't the lessons of '06 and '08 give them a clue?