Why Progressives always call it "Reform"

[Oddball]

Well, I guess scientist and engineer are two jobs that are definitely off your list.

 

[daveman]

The idea does trace its roots to conservatives in the late '80s/early '90s.

And it took "progressives" to ram it through.

Are you saying you guys don't have any original ideas?

I imagine it was felt that passing a centrist Republican bill (was was done) had a better chance of success than anything else.

"Centrist Republican bill"?

Politics is relative. To a Marxist, a socialist is a fundy rethug.

 

[daveman]

Maybe because it is reform

Taking the backward, punative policies of the Conservatives and transforming it into a modern agenda ....is reform

You mean punitive policies like taxing anyone who doesn't buy mandatory health insurance?

Do you have health insurance?

Just trying to get some perspective here

Yes, I do. It's a benefit of my service in the armed forces.

Cue the inevitable "Yeah, you got yours, so screw everybody else, right?"

 

[daveman]

Maybe because it is reform

Taking the backward, punitive policies of the Conservatives and transforming it into a modern agenda ....is reform

I love it! Another overton window of terminology shift! They're blaming CONSERVATIVES, who haven't been in power in the GOP since the 1920's instead of who was really in power of the Republicans: the progressive blue bloods. The two are not the same. You would occasionally get a conservative member of the GOP, or even the DNC (not since the 1960's though) and they were rarely given anything of authority from the blue blood elitist republicans.

But it's a nice little attempt to redefine the issue and control the language.

That depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

 

[Greenbeard]

And it took "progressives" to ram it through.

Are you saying you guys don't have any original ideas?

I imagine it was felt that passing a centrist Republican bill (was was done) had a better chance of success than anything else.

"Centrist Republican bill"?

Politics is relative. To a Marxist, a socialist is a fundy rethug.

You consider all of the following to be socialists?

Sen Chafee, John H. [RI]
Sen Bennett, Robert F. [UT]
Sen Bond, Christopher S. [MO]
Sen Boren, David L. [OK]
Sen Cohen, William S. [ME]
Sen Danforth, John C. [MO]
Sen Dole, Robert J. [KS]
Sen Domenici, Pete V. [NM]
Sen Durenberger, Dave [MN]
Sen Faircloth, Lauch [NC]
Sen Gorton, Slade [WA]
Sen Grassley, Chuck [IA]
Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT]
Sen Hatfield, Mark O. [OR]
Sen Kassebaum, Nancy Landon [KS]
Sen Kerrey, J. Robert [NE]
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN]
Sen Simpson, Alan K. [WY]
Sen Specter, Arlen [PA]
Sen Stevens, Ted [AK]
Sen Warner, John [VA]

Have you ever considered that your grip on reality might be a bit tenuous?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I admire the skill with which Progressives have undermined and fundamentally altered American society and civilization. They are patient, they are cunning and they are absolutely ruthless.

One of the marvelous ways they've Body Snatched our civilization is by couching their fundamental changes as "reforms"

Health Care Reform now means real live genuine Eugenicists and a President who has stated he is "God's partner in matter of live and death" now have control of the health care system.

The idea of selling a fundamental rewrite as "Reform" is not new. One reason the Progressive have been so successful is that they have sabotaged the educational system.

Machiavelli's "The Prince" and "Discourses" was required reading at one point and most, if not all of our Founders knew the work.

I went through NYC public education and then Queens College then Manhattan College. But for a 7th Grade class that studied Dante and read "The Inferno" (the last line of Chapter XXI where Dante and Virgil receive a signal they can pass when the Guardian "Makes a trumpet of his ass" had us in hysterics for weeks and gave us a love of the classics) I never picked up The Prince.

I did now and I HIGHLY recommend you do the same!

CHAPTER XXV

That he who would reform the Institutions of a free State, must retain at least the semblance of old Ways.

WHOEVER TAKES UPON HIM to reform the government of a city, must, if his measures are to be well received and carried out with general approval, preserve at least the semblance of existing methods, so as not to appear to the people to have made any change in the old order of things; although, in truth, the new ordinances differ altogether from those which they replace. For when this is attended to, the mass of mankind accept what seems as what is; nay, are often touched more nearly by appearances than by realities.

http://www2.hn.psu.edu/faculty/jmanis/machiavelli/Machiavelli-Discourses-Titus-Livius.pdf

Sounds familiar?

Can't you people get your message straight?
You say, "President who has stated he is "God's partner in matter of live and death".
The Republican Base calls it, "Death Panels", except when Sarah Palin called it, "End of life counseling", and proclaimed April 16th 2008, “Healthcare Decisions Day.” Then later, she called it "euthanasia". So which is it? Which time was Sarah right? When she promoted "end of life counseling" or when she called it "euthanasia"?

I don't know about you, but I can't see me hooked up to tubes and machines while I just lay there comatose. I WANT the opportunity to make my own decision.

Uhh, unless Republicans feel it's better left up to the government?

Do you consider yourself Liberal Intellectual Elite?

 

[daveman]

This year or when it was introduced in 1993?

Amazing...You pinkos can't even take ownership of that which you steal.

They did. They coopted it.


Repubs vote against their own bills now so they can say they voted against the ****** president.

No, so they can say they voted against a piece of shit bill that bears little resemblance to the one "progressives" stole.

Screeching "Racist!!" at everything you don't like is simply stupid.

 

[daveman]

I imagine it was felt that passing a centrist Republican bill (was was done) had a better chance of success than anything else.

"Centrist Republican bill"?

Politics is relative. To a Marxist, a socialist is a fundy rethug.

You consider all of the following to be socialists?

Sen Chafee, John H. [RI]
Sen Bennett, Robert F. [UT]
Sen Bond, Christopher S. [MO]
Sen Boren, David L. [OK]
Sen Cohen, William S. [ME]
Sen Danforth, John C. [MO]
Sen Dole, Robert J. [KS]
Sen Domenici, Pete V. [NM]
Sen Durenberger, Dave [MN]
Sen Faircloth, Lauch [NC]
Sen Gorton, Slade [WA]
Sen Grassley, Chuck [IA]
Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT]
Sen Hatfield, Mark O. [OR]
Sen Kassebaum, Nancy Landon [KS]
Sen Kerrey, J. Robert [NE]
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN]
Sen Simpson, Alan K. [WY]
Sen Specter, Arlen [PA]
Sen Stevens, Ted [AK]
Sen Warner, John [VA]

Have you ever considered that your grip on reality might be a bit tenuous?

My characterization was aimed at you.

 

[Oddball]

I imagine it was felt that passing a centrist Republican bill (was was done) had a better chance of success than anything else.

"Centrist Republican bill"?

Politics is relative. To a Marxist, a socialist is a fundy rethug.

You consider all of the following to be socialists?

Sen Chafee, John H. [RI]
Sen Bennett, Robert F. [UT]
Sen Bond, Christopher S. [MO]
Sen Boren, David L. [OK]
Sen Cohen, William S. [ME]
Sen Danforth, John C. [MO]
Sen Dole, Robert J. [KS]
Sen Domenici, Pete V. [NM]
Sen Durenberger, Dave [MN]
Sen Faircloth, Lauch [NC]
Sen Gorton, Slade [WA]
Sen Grassley, Chuck [IA]
Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT]
Sen Hatfield, Mark O. [OR]
Sen Kassebaum, Nancy Landon [KS]
Sen Kerrey, J. Robert [NE]
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN]
Sen Simpson, Alan K. [WY]
Sen Specter, Arlen [PA]
Sen Stevens, Ted [AK]
Sen Warner, John [VA]

Have you ever considered that your grip on reality might be a bit tenuous?

Still deflecting and refusing to take ownership, are ya?

Of course, when Shrubbie and the republicans flat out stole Medicare D outright from democratics, they turned around and acted like it was the worst idea since mixing scotch and Coke.


Funny you should forget that...No, it actually isn't.

 

[Big Fitz]

Oh, and lest we forget that the progressive Fabians of that day were practically throwing rose petals at Mussolini's feet as well.

So you deny he was the most influential person in the world that year?

That's all Man of the Year really means.

I agree that's what they claim now. I deny that's the truth.

 

[Greenbeard]

My characterization was aimed at you.

And that list is not (on average) a group of centrist Republicans? Or they are but for some reason decided to put together a Marxist (is that the buzzword we're going with today?) health care bill anyway?

 

[Oddball]

My characterization was aimed at you.

And that list is not (on average) a group of centrist Republicans? Or they are but for some reason decided to put together a Marxist (is that the buzzword we're going with today?) health care bill anyway?

So, the disaster that passed is now the benchmark, rather than the cataclysm that the White House and leftkooks like you wanted with every fiber of your being?

OK, boys, break's over...Gotta get these over to Pinkbeard's place, pronto!

 

[JBeukema]

GERMANY: Man of the Year, 1938 - TIME

 

[JBeukema]

The Fascintern, with Hitler in the driver's seat, with Mussolini, Franco and the Japanese military cabal riding behind, emerged in 1938 as an international, revolutionary movement. Rant as he might against the machinations of international Communism and international Jewry, or rave as he would that he was just a Pan-German trying to get all the Germans back in one nation, Führer Hitler had himself become the world's No. 1 International Revolutionist—so much so that if the oft-predicted struggle between Fascism and Communism now takes place it will be only because two revolutionist dictators. Hitler and Stalin, are too big to let each other live in the same world.
But Führer Hitler does not regard himself as a revolutionary; he has become so only by force of circumstances. Fascism has discovered that freedom—of press, speech, assembly—is a potential danger to its own security. In Fascist phraseology democracy is often coupled with Communism. The Fascist battle against freedom is often carried forward under the false slogan of "Down with Communism!" One of the chief German complaints against democratic Czechoslovakia last summer was that it was an "outpost of Communism."
A generation ago western civilization had apparently outgrown the major evils of barbarism except for war between nations. The Russian Communist Revolution promoted the evil of class war. Hitler topped it by another, race war. Fascism and Communism both resurrected religious war. These multiple forms of barbarism gave shape in 1938 to an issue over which men may again, perhaps soon, shed blood: the issue of civilized liberty v. barbaric authoritarianism.

Yes, they sound like they absolutely adore the bastard

 

[Big Fitz]

Well of what I know of their 'conservatism':

Sen Chafee, John H. [RI] - "Legacy" liberal republican living off father's rep.
Sen Bennett, Robert F. [UT] - Supported the current "fixes" to the financial crisis
Sen Grassley, Chuck [IA] - Farm Subsidy/green sellout
Sen Hatch, Orrin G. [UT] - Big government republican
Sen Lugar, Richard G. [IN] - Globalist supporting international control of US through LOST.
Sen Simpson, Alan K. [WY] - mushy moderate supporting big government for social conservatism
Sen Specter, Arlen [PA] - He's a democrat "now"
Sen Stevens, Ted [AK] - Fucking crook

These are ones I know about that I wouldn't call conservative at gunpoint. That leaves us with what? Liberalism. The lightest version of the LSCPMF Left. It's not that they mind going to hell... they just debate the speed in which they get there and how much power they have personally once they arrive.

All I've mentioned need to go if they haven't gone already.

 

[Oddball]

Durenburger sucked ass too...You should remember that loser from back in the day.

The only reason he won is because Muriel Humphrey wouldn't run.

 

[JBeukema]

Undoubted Crook of the Year was the late Frank Donald Coster (né Musica), with Richard Whitney, now in Sing Sing Prison, as runner-up. Sportsman of the Year was Tennist Donald Budge, champion of the U. S., England, France, Australia. Aviator of the Year was 33-year-old Howard Robard Hughes, diffident millionaire, who flew a sober, precise, foolproof course 14,716 miles round the top of the world in three days, 19 hours, eight minutes. Radio's Man of the Year was youthful Orson Welles who, in his famous The War of the Worlds broadcast, scared fewer people than Hitler, but more than had ever been frightened by radio before, demonstrating that radio can be a tremendous force in whipping up mass emotion. Playwright of the Year was Thornton Wilder, previously a precious litterateur, whose first play on Broadway, Our Town, was not only ingenious and moving, but a big hit. To Gabriel Pascal, producer of Pygmalion, first full-length picture based on the wordy dramas of George Bernard Shaw, went the title of Cineman of the Year for having discovered a rich mine of dramatic material when other famed producers had given up all hope of ever tapping it. Men of the Year, outstanding in comprehensive science, were three medical researchers who discovered that nicotinic acid was a cure for human pellagra: Drs. Tom Douglas Spies of Cincinnati General Hospital, Marion Arthur Blankenhorn of the University of Cincinnati, Clark Niel Cooper of Waterloo, Iowa.
In religion, the two outstanding figures of 1938 were in sharp contrast save for their opposition to Adolf Hitler. One of them, Pope Pius XI, 81, spoke with "bitter sadness" of Italy's anti-Semitic laws, the harrying of Italian Catholic Action groups, the reception Mussolini gave Hitler last May, declared sadly: "We have offered our now old life for the peace and prosperity of peoples. We offer it anew." By spending most of the year in a concentration camp, Protestant Pastor Martin Niemoller gave courageous witness to his faith.
It was noteworthy that few of these other men of the year would have been free to achieve their accomplishments in Nazi Germany. The genius of free wills has been so stifled by the oppression of dictatorship that Germany's output of poetry, prose, music, philosophy, art has been meagre indeed.

Yes... high praise...

 

[JBeukema]

demagogic, ignorant, desperate movement

You're right, these guys are over this guy's nuts!

 

[JBeukema]

Civil rights and liberties have disappeared. Opposition to the Nazi regime has become tantamount to suicide or worse. Free speech and free assembly are anachronisms. The reputations of the once-vaunted German centres of learning have vanished. Education has been reduced to a National Socialist catechism.

Truly, truly great praise...

Yes, fitz, clearly they love this guy

 

[mudwhistle]

poor insane frank..

Nope. He's right.

Progressives always closet their goals with words like "reform" and "historic"

They ether wait for or cause a crisis then they pass the so called "reforms" needed to fix the problem.

Problem is in reality they ignore the problem and just end up taking away your freedoms instead.

Amnesty, Health Care, Cap & Trade, Stimulus, the list goes on. None ever solves the problems....because they don't want the problems actually solved. How else can they divide us if everyone is happy.

Folks like Obama aren't problem solvers.....they're just good at causing them.