Why Obama is wrong when he says business needs the government

[NYcarbineer]

I think we should let the OP debate with himself:

This is what he said on the subject in the past:

By the way, just for the record, government jobs do not help the economy, they are a drain on it. A necessary drain, up to a point, but a drain none the less.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/2814826-post12.html

So it's QW who says government isn't necessary vs. QW who says government is necessary.

Let the debate begin!!

Darn. I guess we aren't going to hear from either Quantum Windbag.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Saying that is the case does not make it the case. Perhaps you can point to a society which does not have any form of government so we can see just how that works.

Commerce is not society, get that through your head and we can actually discuss this. Until then, all we have is one idiot that insists that government predates society, and everyone else wondering what the frack he did in school.

I did not say commerce was society. However, commerce only exists in society. You don't have commerce with yourself. So, if one is going to claim that commerce exists in the absence of government I would like to see the society where that is happening.

Wrong. Commerce actually exists outside society. This can be proven by the simple fact that commerce occurs between different societies. Trade existed long before there was a society in place to protect trade routes, and they will exist after society collapses. Trade actually exist despite the concerted efforts of society to shut it down in some places. You really need to get your head out of your teachers' asses and look at the real

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So when a fox brings a rabbit to the den for the pups to eat, that is commerce. An interesting perspective.

Government started the moment one hunter started giving orders to the other hunters and they took them. IOW, it started when we began working cooperatively.

As to government being nothing but moochers who can't fend for themselves, please feel free to share that sentiment the next time you meet a serving marine. I am certain he/she will be very interested.

Government is a pride of lions bringing their kill back and letting the alpha male eat first. Interesting perspective.

Government is not an agreement between people working together, it it was every marriage would be a government. Government occurs when that hunter decides to stay home and still order the hunt.

Marines are not the government, they work for it. Most Marines understand the difference, which is why they are pretty contemptuous of Army REMFs.

You seem to think that government is some independent creature, seperate from human beings. So long as you do this I doubt you will ever understand. But that is ok. Your understanding is not required.

Where the frack did I say anything that makes you think I think that? Government has a purpose, that purpose is not supporting business.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Government is a pride of lions bringing their kill back and letting the alpha male eat first. Interesting perspective.

Government is not an agreement between people working together, it it was every marriage would be a government. Government occurs when that hunter decides to stay home and still order the hunt.

Marines are not the government, they work for it. Most Marines understand the difference, which is why they are pretty contemptuous of Army REMFs.

You seem to think that government is some independent creature, seperate from human beings. So long as you do this I doubt you will ever understand. But that is ok. Your understanding is not required.

Where the frack did I say anything that makes you think I think that? Government has a purpose, that purpose is not supporting business.

What is the purpose of government protected patents and copyrights?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

I read what he said and that is not what he was speaking about.

I read it too. Your inability to read for meaning behind the words is noted.

He was talking about teachers for one thing, and teachers work in local/state government.

So stop being the stupid fuck you've always been. Try to move up the intellectual food chain for once in your otherwise stagnant existence.

He was talking about using federal tax dollars to keep teachers working. Wouldn't it make more sense for local school districts to get the money from their tax base than having them send it to Washington, and then send it back of the feds spend half of it talking about ways to get more money to local districts?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

You seem to think that government is some independent creature, seperate from human beings. So long as you do this I doubt you will ever understand. But that is ok. Your understanding is not required.

Where the frack did I say anything that makes you think I think that? Government has a purpose, that purpose is not supporting business.

What is the purpose of government protected patents and copyrights?

Gee, you would think that would destroy my argument.

Wrong.

Article 1 Section 8 Clause 8.

To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
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Nothing in there about business, is there?

 

[Katzndogz]

One of the few legitimate functions of government is to protect businesses. Where government goes off the rails is where it starts running the business under the guise of protecting the business.

 

[P@triot]

Why Obama is RIGHT when he says business needs the government

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/228521-what-good-is-government.html

• I drive nearly every day on unpaved, dirt paths. It doesn't effect my day in any capacity whether it's dirt or pavement and the idiot liberal has been incapable so far in explaining their obsession with pointing out "roads" as an excuse for their socialism.
  
  
• Liberals sound like children with Down Syndrome. "We have woads". Ok? Good. Good. But what does that have to do with a businesses success? "We have woads". Yes, I know we do. But what difference does that make? "We have woads". Look - your defeating yourself here. Since everybody has access to those same roads, wouldn't everybody be successful multi-millionaire business owners if roads had anything to do with anything?!? "We have woads". Ugh!!! Go watch Barney. "Otay.... We have woads".
  
  
• Liberals can't even understand that roads are built by local government with local taxes while we're discussing the federal government. Their argument is so weak and pathetic, they can't even make one for the level of government we're discussing.
  
  
• Liberals also can't imagine being self-reliant. If government doesn't care for and coddle them like an infant, they fear they would die (and they probably would as lazy as they are). It's beyond their capacity to comprehend us conservatives that are self-reliant and will succeed out of sheer will, regardless of the circumstances. We would never let a little thing like no road stop our prosperity. We'd just drive right over the grass/dirt/rocks/etc. (gasp! imagine that?!?!?)
  
  
• Liberals are killing themselves with the dumbest argument ever. If it wasn't for government and roads creating prosperity, how do they explain how we even got there? There were no paved roads in 1776. And there was no government either when we declared our independence from England. And yet all we did was thrive into the most prosperous nation in world history. It was businesses, without roads or government that paid the taxes which built the roads that you know obsess over like children with Down Symmdrome!

I know, I know....... "we have woads". That's all you can say and that is all you will respond with.

 

[8537]

Why Obama is RIGHT when he says business needs the government

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/228521-what-good-is-government.html

• I drive nearly every day on unpaved, dirt paths. It doesn't effect my day in any capacity whether it's dirt or pavement and the idiot liberal has been incapable so far in explaining their obsession with pointing out "roads" as an excuse for their socialism.

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  try delivering goods cross country on dirt roads.
  
  
  

  [*]Liberals sound like children with Down Syndrome. "We have woads". Ok? Good. Good. But what does that have to do with a businesses success? "We have woads". Yes, I know we do. But what difference does that make? "We have woads". Look - your defeating yourself here. Since everybody has access to those same roads, wouldn't everybody be successful multi-millionaire business owners if roads had anything to do with anything?!? "We have woads". Ugh!!! Go watch Barney. "Otay.... We have woads".

  Good roads allow people to ship goods and services to consumers and resellers at lower cost to the producer. it's embarrassing that I even need to point that out.
  
  

  [*]Liberals can't even understand that roads are built by local government with local taxes while we're discussing the federal government. Their argument is so weak and pathetic, they can't even make one for the level of government we're discussing.

  The interstate highway system was built by the federal government. Most local road construction is built with a 90 / 10 federal match.
  
  
  

  [*]Liberals are killing themselves with the dumbest argument ever. If it wasn't for government and roads creating prosperity, how do they explain how we even got there? There were no paved roads in 1776.

  
  Oh gawd. Really? Hint: There was no need for paved roads in 1776.
  
  

  And there was no government either when we declared our independence from England.

  
  Wait what? There was no government? Each colony didn't have a system of governance in place? Wow.

 

[rightwinger]

Government put a man on the moon

 

[P@triot]

Government put a man on the moon

And a man standing on the moon with a flag helps my business how?

 

[8537]

Rottweiler, you know what helps your business? The fact that no one can steal your shit.

Who enforces intellectual and physical property rights?

 

[P@triot]

try delivering goods cross country on dirt roads.

It's been done by millions of Americans all through the 1700's and 1800's. This may be the weakest "argument" (if you can even call it that) ever attempted. How are you not embarrassed by something this stupid?

Good roads allow people to ship goods and services to consumers and resellers at lower cost to the producer. it's embarrassing that I even need to point that out.

What's embarassing is how weak your case is for why you idiots keep crying "we have woads". Nothing is cheaper because a road is paved, stupid. In fact, paved roads cause products to be higher because of the taxes required for those roads, stupid. This is the most pathetic case ever made. You really are desperate...

The interstate highway system was built by the federal government. Most local road construction is built with a 90 / 10 federal match.

Good false information. By the way, the majority of business is done over local roads, not interstate highway, stupid.

Oh gawd. Really? Hint: There was no need for paved roads in 1776.

Really?!?!! We didn't need it then why??? And if we didn't need it, why did we build it?

Wait what? There was no government? Each colony didn't have a system of governance in place? Wow.

Um, no they didn't, stupid. There were no charters pre-succession. There were no taxes to the colonies (only to England). And there was no federal government that assholes like you think we can't live without. Like a typical liberal, you have zero knowledge of history. Let me guess, you believe George Washington cut down a cherry tree???

But hey, let me hear you say "we have woads" one more time stupid....

 

[P@triot]

Rottweiler, you know what helps your business? The fact that no one can steal your shit.

Who enforces intellectual and physical property rights?

IP is a constitutional responsibility of the federal government (you would know that if you ever had enough respect for the document which allows you to pop your mouth off ignorantly to actually read it). And while I support law enforcement more than you will ever know - you are once again pointing out local government while we are discussing federal (ie you can't make an argument - you Doncaster even follow the issue). Also, you better believe I can secure physical property myself - with zero assistance from law enforcement. I have an entire arsenal and the highest training.

 

[saveliberty]

Rottweiler, you know what helps your business? The fact that no one can steal your shit.

Who enforces intellectual and physical property rights?

Wrong. Companies with that type of issue hire security. Intellectual and property rights are enforced by the company's legal team.

 

[saveliberty]

All of these basics are available to all of us. Its called equal opportunity. Stop trying to tell us those that actually succeed need to pay more. Most of us already paid for all this stuff once.

 

[driveby]

Government put a man on the moon

Who built the road they took to the moon?......

 

[8537]

try delivering goods cross country on dirt roads.

It's been done by millions of Americans all through the 1700's and 1800's. This may be the weakest "argument" (if you can even call it that) ever attempted. How are you not embarrassed by something this stupid?

Oh gawd. And tell me, how quickly and efficiently did goods travel? One hint would be the amount of trade between California and MA at the time. Hint: Next to none.

What's embarassing is how weak your case is for why you idiots keep crying "we have woads". Nothing is cheaper because a road is paved, stupid. In fact, paved roads cause products to be higher because of the taxes required for those roads, stupid. This is the most pathetic case ever made. You really are desperate...

You are arguing against hundreds of years of straightforward economic analysis: That lower costs of transportation are lower input costs, which either lead to lower prices or higher profits - or both.

Or you're still trying to argue that a dirt road can transport goods just as efficiently as Interstate 70 - which begs the question, why did the Germans and the US build highways?

Really?!?!! We didn't need it then why??? And if we didn't need it, why did we build it?

Yes, really! Because people rode horses.

Um, no they didn't, stupid.

Oh really?!?!? this is amazing information.

 

[8537]

Rottweiler, you know what helps your business? The fact that no one can steal your shit.

Who enforces intellectual and physical property rights?

IP is a constitutional responsibility of the federal government

Wait what?!?! You freely admit that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT plays a critical role in business? My work is done here.

Unless, of course, you don't feel IP is important. In that case, move to China where it's rarely enforced.

Hey- some roads are a constitutional responsibility of the federal government too!

 

[rightwinger]

try delivering goods cross country on dirt roads.

It's been done by millions of Americans all through the 1700's and 1800's. This may be the weakest "argument" (if you can even call it that) ever attempted. How are you not embarrassed by something this stupid?

Good roads allow people to ship goods and services to consumers and resellers at lower cost to the producer. it's embarrassing that I even need to point that out.

What's embarassing is how weak your case is for why you idiots keep crying "we have woads". Nothing is cheaper because a road is paved, stupid. In fact, paved roads cause products to be higher because of the taxes required for those roads, stupid. This is the most pathetic case ever made. You really are desperate...




Good false information. By the way, the majority of business is done over local roads, not interstate highway, stupid.

Oh gawd. Really? Hint: There was no need for paved roads in 1776.

Really?!?!! We didn't need it then why??? And if we didn't need it, why did we build it?

Wait what? There was no government? Each colony didn't have a system of governance in place? Wow.

Um, no they didn't, stupid. There were no charters pre-succession. There were no taxes to the colonies (only to England). And there was no federal government that assholes like you think we can't live without. Like a typical liberal, you have zero knowledge of history. Let me guess, you believe George Washington cut down a cherry tree???

But hey, let me hear you say "we have woads" one more time stupid....

Those are some of the most idiodic resposes you have posted to date

To actually take the position that a modern transportation infrastructure does not help business is almost stone age