Why Joe Manchin Came To The Rescue For The GOP??

[jc456]

A democrat who can think for himself? How has he avoided Fort Marcy Park?

I seem to recall 7 Republican Senators that got little to no support for thinking for themselves.

That's different though, right?

Something progs have not done for decades.

Irrelevant to my principles and what I support.

What do you base your beliefs on?

yeah, my principles are ones that an elected official speaks for the people that voted them into office. Consequences of an election. Not to turn one's head from those people and vote their conscience. that isn't the job of a politician. You agree or disagree?

If you believe that the place of a president is to call people juvenile names for you, no, I do not agree with that.

Why does that bother you? I want policies that help my fellow people. name one trump policy that didn't help americans?

Tariffs. Cost consumers money and bankrupted farmers. And in the end he walked away and changed nothing.

bullshit. tariffs are picked up by the vendor sending products in to country and no where did prices increase because of tariffs. that was a MSM fake news. Farmers got relief just like GM got. You didn't care about that. nor the solar company solaris. all in. So just stop, no tariff ever affected you or one citizen.

 

[jc456]

A democrat who can think for himself? How has he avoided Fort Marcy Park?

I seem to recall 7 Republican Senators that got little to no support for thinking for themselves.

That's different though, right?

Something progs have not done for decades.

Irrelevant to my principles and what I support.

What do you base your beliefs on?

yeah, my principles are ones that an elected official speaks for the people that voted them into office. Consequences of an election. Not to turn one's head from those people and vote their conscience. that isn't the job of a politician. You agree or disagree?

If you believe that the place of a president is to call people juvenile names for you, no, I do not agree with that.

Why does that bother you? I want policies that help my fellow people. name one trump policy that didn't help americans?

Tariffs. Cost consumers money and bankrupted farmers. And in the end he walked away and changed nothing.

It took 30+ years of globalism to destroy the US and you expect to fix it in 4.

Calling people names and walking away was never going to fix anything.

Stating a fact is not name calling.
I bet you never cried for the millions who lost their jobs and careers in the last 30 years.

What a worthless irrelevant vast generalization. Who has condemned jobs going overseas here more than me?

me!!!

 

[pknopp]

A democrat who can think for himself? How has he avoided Fort Marcy Park?

I seem to recall 7 Republican Senators that got little to no support for thinking for themselves.

That's different though, right?

Something progs have not done for decades.

Irrelevant to my principles and what I support.

What do you base your beliefs on?

yeah, my principles are ones that an elected official speaks for the people that voted them into office. Consequences of an election. Not to turn one's head from those people and vote their conscience. that isn't the job of a politician. You agree or disagree?

If you believe that the place of a president is to call people juvenile names for you, no, I do not agree with that.

Why does that bother you? I want policies that help my fellow people. name one trump policy that didn't help americans?

Tariffs. Cost consumers money and bankrupted farmers. And in the end he walked away and changed nothing.

bullshit. tariffs are picked up by the vendor sending products in to country and no where did prices increase because of tariffs. that was a MSM fake news. Farmers got relief just like GM got. You didn't care about that. nor the solar company solaris. all in. So just stop, no tariff ever affected you or one citizen.

What Trump's tariffs have cost the U.S. economy

It's funny how you will argue that taxes on corporations are simply passed on to consumers but tariffs are simply ate by the corporations.

I was against BOTH the GM bailout and farm bailout. And Wall Street bail out. And Tom Brady bail out and..........

 

[pknopp]

A democrat who can think for himself? How has he avoided Fort Marcy Park?

I seem to recall 7 Republican Senators that got little to no support for thinking for themselves.

That's different though, right?

Something progs have not done for decades.

Irrelevant to my principles and what I support.

What do you base your beliefs on?

yeah, my principles are ones that an elected official speaks for the people that voted them into office. Consequences of an election. Not to turn one's head from those people and vote their conscience. that isn't the job of a politician. You agree or disagree?

If you believe that the place of a president is to call people juvenile names for you, no, I do not agree with that.

Why does that bother you? I want policies that help my fellow people. name one trump policy that didn't help americans?

Tariffs. Cost consumers money and bankrupted farmers. And in the end he walked away and changed nothing.

It took 30+ years of globalism to destroy the US and you expect to fix it in 4.

Calling people names and walking away was never going to fix anything.

Stating a fact is not name calling.
I bet you never cried for the millions who lost their jobs and careers in the last 30 years.

What a worthless irrelevant vast generalization. Who has condemned jobs going overseas here more than me?

me!!!

Hardly.

 

[jc456]

A democrat who can think for himself? How has he avoided Fort Marcy Park?

I seem to recall 7 Republican Senators that got little to no support for thinking for themselves.

That's different though, right?

Something progs have not done for decades.

Irrelevant to my principles and what I support.

What do you base your beliefs on?

yeah, my principles are ones that an elected official speaks for the people that voted them into office. Consequences of an election. Not to turn one's head from those people and vote their conscience. that isn't the job of a politician. You agree or disagree?

If you believe that the place of a president is to call people juvenile names for you, no, I do not agree with that.

Why does that bother you? I want policies that help my fellow people. name one trump policy that didn't help americans?

Tariffs. Cost consumers money and bankrupted farmers. And in the end he walked away and changed nothing.

bullshit. tariffs are picked up by the vendor sending products in to country and no where did prices increase because of tariffs. that was a MSM fake news. Farmers got relief just like GM got. You didn't care about that. nor the solar company solaris. all in. So just stop, no tariff ever affected you or one citizen.

What Trump's tariffs have cost the U.S. economy

It's funny how you will argue that taxes on corporations are simply passed on to consumers but tariffs are simply ate by the corporations.

I was against BOTH the GM bailout and farm bailout. And Wall Street bail out. And Tom Brady bail out and..........

this is your evidence?

• A tariff is a tax imposed on goods that the U.S. buys from other countries. An important part of the cost of the tariffs for U.S. households and firms consists of the tax incidence — the portion of the tax that is passed on to various buyers and sellers of targeted goods once they arrive at the U.S. border. One study finds that the group of tariffs levied only during the year 2018 would raise the cost of the consumption bundle for the average household by $135 dollars (see this table for a summary of all studies mentioned, their estimates, and the different factors each study takes into account). An update by the same authors estimates the costs of tariffs imposed in 2018 and through June 2019 will cost the average U.S. household $247 per year, or $460 per household per year when including those planned through December 2019.

Really? Bringing back hundreds of jobs and giving people more money to spend is far more important than what you think this says.

And again, the Farmers were compensated. I gave you that already. Am I fine with that, no I am not, but some sacrifices are acceptable to me. Giving jobs to illegals is a job killer and again, I will say I'm not going to comment on your position on that since I can't recall every demofk's state of mind on it. but again, demofks don't care that black's jobs are given to illegals, and then come in here and shout Black lives matter. they can all take a fking hike.

 

[jc456]

Hardly.

prove it

 

[pknopp]

A democrat who can think for himself? How has he avoided Fort Marcy Park?

I seem to recall 7 Republican Senators that got little to no support for thinking for themselves.

That's different though, right?

Something progs have not done for decades.

Irrelevant to my principles and what I support.

What do you base your beliefs on?

yeah, my principles are ones that an elected official speaks for the people that voted them into office. Consequences of an election. Not to turn one's head from those people and vote their conscience. that isn't the job of a politician. You agree or disagree?

If you believe that the place of a president is to call people juvenile names for you, no, I do not agree with that.

Why does that bother you? I want policies that help my fellow people. name one trump policy that didn't help americans?

Tariffs. Cost consumers money and bankrupted farmers. And in the end he walked away and changed nothing.

bullshit. tariffs are picked up by the vendor sending products in to country and no where did prices increase because of tariffs. that was a MSM fake news. Farmers got relief just like GM got. You didn't care about that. nor the solar company solaris. all in. So just stop, no tariff ever affected you or one citizen.

What Trump's tariffs have cost the U.S. economy

It's funny how you will argue that taxes on corporations are simply passed on to consumers but tariffs are simply ate by the corporations.

I was against BOTH the GM bailout and farm bailout. And Wall Street bail out. And Tom Brady bail out and..........

this is your evidence?

• A tariff is a tax imposed on goods that the U.S. buys from other countries. An important part of the cost of the tariffs for U.S. households and firms consists of the tax incidence — the portion of the tax that is passed on to various buyers and sellers of targeted goods once they arrive at the U.S. border. One study finds that the group of tariffs levied only during the year 2018 would raise the cost of the consumption bundle for the average household by $135 dollars (see this table for a summary of all studies mentioned, their estimates, and the different factors each study takes into account). An update by the same authors estimates the costs of tariffs imposed in 2018 and through June 2019 will cost the average U.S. household $247 per year, or $460 per household per year when including those planned through December 2019.

Really? Bringing back hundreds of jobs and giving people more money to spend is far more important than what you think this says.

And again, the Farmers were compensated. I gave you that already. Am I fine with that, no I am not, but some sacrifices are acceptable to me. Giving jobs to illegals is a job killer and again, I will say I'm not going to comment on your position on that since I can't recall every demofk's state of mind on it. but again, demofks don't care that black's jobs are given to illegals, and then come in here and shout Black lives matter. they can all take a fking hike.

No jobs were brought back but yeah, support big government socialist bail out programs then call me the "leftists". It is you defending big government socialist programs.

 

[struth]

I like Sen Manchin on the issues, but he is all about self aggrandizing. He is going to play both sides to see how much pork he can get for West Virginia. Those are the only people he has to wheedle. He could care less what the establishment or progressive wing thinks.

Can you point out what he has brought to WV?

That’s why I said “how much he can get”. Future tense.

He's been there for years. What is he promoting for WV?

Understood, but now he is in the position of power broker In the same party currently holding the majority. What he is doing is a Sisyphean task. Very few Democrats can win in such conservative states.

Manchin can win easily. The reason the (R)'s have become the controlling party is because of coal. Manchin is not a part of that issue. While House seats and the governors office flipped, Manchin won.

Very true, the Dems want to shut down jobs and businesses in WV, the GOP doesn't.....Joe has done a good job of staying true to his core beliefs and standing with his fellow West VA citizens, despite his party

 

[pknopp]

I like Sen Manchin on the issues, but he is all about self aggrandizing. He is going to play both sides to see how much pork he can get for West Virginia. Those are the only people he has to wheedle. He could care less what the establishment or progressive wing thinks.

Can you point out what he has brought to WV?

That’s why I said “how much he can get”. Future tense.

He's been there for years. What is he promoting for WV?

Understood, but now he is in the position of power broker In the same party currently holding the majority. What he is doing is a Sisyphean task. Very few Democrats can win in such conservative states.

Manchin can win easily. The reason the (R)'s have become the controlling party is because of coal. Manchin is not a part of that issue. While House seats and the governors office flipped, Manchin won.

Very true, the Dems want to shut down jobs and businesses in WV, the GOP doesn't.....Joe has done a good job of staying true to his core beliefs and standing with his fellow West VA citizens, despite his party

Coal jobs are going to end. It's inevitable. Was telling people that welfare would be there for them like Hillary did? Obviously not. There is a growing contingent in WV wanting to replace coal jobs with new renewable energy jobs.

 

[struth]

I like Sen Manchin on the issues, but he is all about self aggrandizing. He is going to play both sides to see how much pork he can get for West Virginia. Those are the only people he has to wheedle. He could care less what the establishment or progressive wing thinks.

Can you point out what he has brought to WV?

That’s why I said “how much he can get”. Future tense.

He's been there for years. What is he promoting for WV?

Understood, but now he is in the position of power broker In the same party currently holding the majority. What he is doing is a Sisyphean task. Very few Democrats can win in such conservative states.

Manchin can win easily. The reason the (R)'s have become the controlling party is because of coal. Manchin is not a part of that issue. While House seats and the governors office flipped, Manchin won.

Very true, the Dems want to shut down jobs and businesses in WV, the GOP doesn't.....Joe has done a good job of staying true to his core beliefs and standing with his fellow West VA citizens, despite his party

Coal jobs are going to end. It's inevitable. Was telling people that welfare would be there for them like Hillary did? Obviously not. There is a growing contingent in WV wanting to replace coal jobs with new renewable energy jobs.

Certainly it is, and there is certainly away to move from it, and new investments in WV.....Joe and the GOP see that.....Obama and Biden, said they were closing down their jobs

 

[pknopp]

I like Sen Manchin on the issues, but he is all about self aggrandizing. He is going to play both sides to see how much pork he can get for West Virginia. Those are the only people he has to wheedle. He could care less what the establishment or progressive wing thinks.

Can you point out what he has brought to WV?

That’s why I said “how much he can get”. Future tense.

He's been there for years. What is he promoting for WV?

Understood, but now he is in the position of power broker In the same party currently holding the majority. What he is doing is a Sisyphean task. Very few Democrats can win in such conservative states.

Manchin can win easily. The reason the (R)'s have become the controlling party is because of coal. Manchin is not a part of that issue. While House seats and the governors office flipped, Manchin won.

Very true, the Dems want to shut down jobs and businesses in WV, the GOP doesn't.....Joe has done a good job of staying true to his core beliefs and standing with his fellow West VA citizens, despite his party

Coal jobs are going to end. It's inevitable. Was telling people that welfare would be there for them like Hillary did? Obviously not. There is a growing contingent in WV wanting to replace coal jobs with new renewable energy jobs.

Certainly it is, and there is certainly away to move from it, and new investments in WV.....Joe and the GOP see that.....Obama and Biden, said they were closing down their jobs

And it cost Hillary WV. Bill did very well in WV. Obama never bothered to visit WV and well............