Why Isn't 20,000 Border Patrol Agents Enough

[Markle]

80 million illegal immigrants in the US would be about half the population of Mexico and Central America combined, the primary countries from which illegal immigrants come. I have seen it claimed that the number exceeds 100 million, making 1/3 of the country illegal. If Trump sees this, he'll claim most of nation is illegal.

Ever notice you need to 'Press #1 for English' ????


Take notes, dunce:


1. Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes


"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."



How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' nervous?



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.



Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

======================================================

Judging by the amount of time and effort that the Democrats spend advancing the aims and claims of illegal aliens....one can begin to see what a huge constituency they make up for the Democrat Party.


" Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

... the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you."

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way | Investor's Business Daily

I chased down the estimate you quoted of 80 million illegal immigrants. Actually the number jumps around, 37 million, 60 million, or 80 million. Apparently these figures come from the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, an activist group that opposes all immigration. They have been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What's interesting is their methodology for calculating undocumented immigrants. It might be more appropriate to call it a scientific wild ass guess, eliminating the scientific part.

1. Select a realistic number of illegal aliens present in 2007 based on a previous study or equivalent analysis. Apparently they asked some people in the Border patrol, and some other law enforcement people how many undocumented immigrants that cross our border did not get caught.
2. Extrapolate the number to the current year. No details given as to how this was done.
3. Subtract 5 million illegal aliens who were amnestied by the Obama royal decree.????
4. Factor in increased inflow of illegal aliens based upon the incentive of future amnesty coupled with Obama's blatant non-enforcement of existing immigration laws and de-emphasized border security. There was no explanation of how they estimated the impact of the incentive of possible future amnesty.

I never said there weren't Million of illegals in the country. In fact, I have always used the Pew Research estimates that have run 10 to 12 million, the actual figures are 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. I use Pew Research figures because to my knowledge they are the only research group that publishes their complete methodology.

The Dept of Homeland Security also publishes and estimate the size of the undocumented immigrant population. It appears that their mythology is similar to Pew Research as is their results. DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010.

Studies at the University of Texas and University of New Hampshire of Mexican immigrants confirm Pew estimates. The Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. However, I can't find their methodology on the Net.

A Yale MIT study concludes that the numbers from DHS and Pew are incorrect due to errors in the census. They estimate the number of undocumented immigrants for 2016 at 16 to 22 million. They use US census data for each year between 1990 and 2016 to adjust the census figures for changes in method.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
The challenges of counting the nation's unauthorized immigrants
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - Wikipedia
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

Now.....be honest.

Would Hussein have told .....publicly told.....illegal aliens to go and vote ......if there weren't multiple millions of 'em as Democrat voters?

False

The claim originates from an interview with Obama published on 3 November 2016, in which millennial actress Gina Rodriguez asked the president about a number of issues facing young Latinos. Many of the outrage posts were written around a video in which the majority of the president’s response was edited out to give the misleading impression that Obama was urging undocumented immigrants to vote illegally.

In the actual interview, Obama encouraged Latino citizens that have family members that may be undocumented to vote. The video was edited to make it sound like he was encouraging illegals to vote. See the link.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote

Of course it's true: Snopes is a Leftist apologist and liar.




Well....let's check.






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.





There are 60-80 million illegal aliens in the country, and Obama told them to go and vote.


And millions of 'em did.

In my opinion, Snopes doesn't necesssarily lie but they are masters at splitting hairs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Ever notice you need to 'Press #1 for English' ????


Take notes, dunce:


1. Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes


"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."



How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' nervous?



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.



Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

======================================================

Judging by the amount of time and effort that the Democrats spend advancing the aims and claims of illegal aliens....one can begin to see what a huge constituency they make up for the Democrat Party.


" Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

... the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you."

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way | Investor's Business Daily

I chased down the estimate you quoted of 80 million illegal immigrants. Actually the number jumps around, 37 million, 60 million, or 80 million. Apparently these figures come from the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, an activist group that opposes all immigration. They have been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What's interesting is their methodology for calculating undocumented immigrants. It might be more appropriate to call it a scientific wild ass guess, eliminating the scientific part.

1. Select a realistic number of illegal aliens present in 2007 based on a previous study or equivalent analysis. Apparently they asked some people in the Border patrol, and some other law enforcement people how many undocumented immigrants that cross our border did not get caught.
2. Extrapolate the number to the current year. No details given as to how this was done.
3. Subtract 5 million illegal aliens who were amnestied by the Obama royal decree.????
4. Factor in increased inflow of illegal aliens based upon the incentive of future amnesty coupled with Obama's blatant non-enforcement of existing immigration laws and de-emphasized border security. There was no explanation of how they estimated the impact of the incentive of possible future amnesty.

I never said there weren't Million of illegals in the country. In fact, I have always used the Pew Research estimates that have run 10 to 12 million, the actual figures are 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. I use Pew Research figures because to my knowledge they are the only research group that publishes their complete methodology.

The Dept of Homeland Security also publishes and estimate the size of the undocumented immigrant population. It appears that their mythology is similar to Pew Research as is their results. DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010.

Studies at the University of Texas and University of New Hampshire of Mexican immigrants confirm Pew estimates. The Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. However, I can't find their methodology on the Net.

A Yale MIT study concludes that the numbers from DHS and Pew are incorrect due to errors in the census. They estimate the number of undocumented immigrants for 2016 at 16 to 22 million. They use US census data for each year between 1990 and 2016 to adjust the census figures for changes in method.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
The challenges of counting the nation's unauthorized immigrants
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - Wikipedia
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

Now.....be honest.

Would Hussein have told .....publicly told.....illegal aliens to go and vote ......if there weren't multiple millions of 'em as Democrat voters?

False

The claim originates from an interview with Obama published on 3 November 2016, in which millennial actress Gina Rodriguez asked the president about a number of issues facing young Latinos. Many of the outrage posts were written around a video in which the majority of the president’s response was edited out to give the misleading impression that Obama was urging undocumented immigrants to vote illegally.

In the actual interview, Obama encouraged Latino citizens that have family members that may be undocumented to vote. The video was edited to make it sound like he was encouraging illegals to vote. See the link.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote

Of course it's true: Snopes is a Leftist apologist and liar.




Well....let's check.






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.





There are 60-80 million illegal aliens in the country, and Obama told them to go and vote.


And millions of 'em did.

In my opinion, Snopes doesn't necesssarily lie but they are masters at splitting hairs.

You may be correct......


.....but.........



"Is Snopes biased? Why do some people believe Snopes is biased?

13 Answers



Michael Kryński, Entrepreneur. 10+ Years Software Development. Master's in Computer Science.

Updated Nov 18 2016

Yes, Snopes has become incredibly biased as of 2016. It wasn't always the case, it always leaned a bit to the left, just because it's on the internet, but it was never overt. I used to frequent both Snopes (for non political stories), Politifact and FactCheck.org (for political stories) daily up until around 2015. It's quite sad what had happened to these once highly-trusted publications.

A lot has changed in the past year. Snopes, Politifact and FactCheck are all currently aggressively pushing narratives. I wouldn't say it’s promoting left leaning narratives either. These sites regularly misconstrued facts during Bernie Sander’s campaign. This article really stood out to me from May of 2016. It says that a viral image does not show a recent Bernie rally. However, video from the event[1] shows that it was, in fact, taken from the same event. Snopes never explained why they thought it was taken from a previous rally. They just insisted it did.

This happened dozens of times during Bernie’s campaign.

However, more recently they have been aggressively pushing a pro-Clinton (and anti-Trump) narrative almost daily.

https://www.quora.com/Is-Snopes-biased-Why-do-some-people-believe-Snopes-is-biased



and.......

Fact-Checking Snopes: Website’s Political ‘Fact-Checker’ Is Just A Failed Liberal Blogger

…the site has tried to pose as a political fact-checker. But Snopes’ “fact-checking” looks more like playing defense for prominent Democrats like Hillary Clinton and it’s political “fact-checker” describes herself as a liberal and has called Republicans “regressive” and afraid of “female agency.”

Snopes’ main political fact-checker is a writer named Kim Lacapria. Before writing for Snopes, Lacapria wrote for Inquisitr, a blog that — oddly enough — is known for publishing fake quotes and even downright hoaxes as much as anything else.

While at Inquisitr, the future “fact-checker” consistently displayed clear partisanship (RELATED: Snopes Caught Lying About Lack Of American Flags At Democratic Convention)

She described herself as “openly left-leaning” and a liberal. She trashed the Tea Party as “teahadists.” She called Bill Clinton “one of our greatest” presidents. She claimed that conservatives only criticized Lena Dunham’s comparison of voting to sex because they “fear female agency.”

After blogging the Inquisitr, Lacapria joined Snopes, where she regularly plays defense for her fellow liberals. “

Fact-Checking Snopes: Website’s Political ‘Fact-Checker’ Is Just A Failed Liberal Blogger

 

[Flopper]

I chased down the estimate you quoted of 80 million illegal immigrants. Actually the number jumps around, 37 million, 60 million, or 80 million. Apparently these figures come from the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, an activist group that opposes all immigration. They have been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What's interesting is their methodology for calculating undocumented immigrants. It might be more appropriate to call it a scientific wild ass guess, eliminating the scientific part.

1. Select a realistic number of illegal aliens present in 2007 based on a previous study or equivalent analysis. Apparently they asked some people in the Border patrol, and some other law enforcement people how many undocumented immigrants that cross our border did not get caught.
2. Extrapolate the number to the current year. No details given as to how this was done.
3. Subtract 5 million illegal aliens who were amnestied by the Obama royal decree.????
4. Factor in increased inflow of illegal aliens based upon the incentive of future amnesty coupled with Obama's blatant non-enforcement of existing immigration laws and de-emphasized border security. There was no explanation of how they estimated the impact of the incentive of possible future amnesty.

I never said there weren't Million of illegals in the country. In fact, I have always used the Pew Research estimates that have run 10 to 12 million, the actual figures are 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. I use Pew Research figures because to my knowledge they are the only research group that publishes their complete methodology.

The Dept of Homeland Security also publishes and estimate the size of the undocumented immigrant population. It appears that their mythology is similar to Pew Research as is their results. DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010.

Studies at the University of Texas and University of New Hampshire of Mexican immigrants confirm Pew estimates. The Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. However, I can't find their methodology on the Net.

A Yale MIT study concludes that the numbers from DHS and Pew are incorrect due to errors in the census. They estimate the number of undocumented immigrants for 2016 at 16 to 22 million. They use US census data for each year between 1990 and 2016 to adjust the census figures for changes in method.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
The challenges of counting the nation's unauthorized immigrants
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - Wikipedia
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

Now.....be honest.

Would Hussein have told .....publicly told.....illegal aliens to go and vote ......if there weren't multiple millions of 'em as Democrat voters?

False

The claim originates from an interview with Obama published on 3 November 2016, in which millennial actress Gina Rodriguez asked the president about a number of issues facing young Latinos. Many of the outrage posts were written around a video in which the majority of the president’s response was edited out to give the misleading impression that Obama was urging undocumented immigrants to vote illegally.

In the actual interview, Obama encouraged Latino citizens that have family members that may be undocumented to vote. The video was edited to make it sound like he was encouraging illegals to vote. See the link.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote

Of course it's true: Snopes is a Leftist apologist and liar.




Well....let's check.






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.





There are 60-80 million illegal aliens in the country, and Obama told them to go and vote.


And millions of 'em did.

The actual interview does not match the video at all. The video is doctored. Your claim that there are 80 million illegal immigrants is absolutely absurd. Do you actually think that Obama would believe that horse crap which is generated by extreme right wingers who oppose immigration and disregard his own immigration people in DHS who say it's 10 million. If that's your position, then further discussion is futile.

That's a lie.

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

In the following unedited video, there is no place where Obama tells undocumented immigrants to vote. If you claim he did, state the quote, otherwise you're making a claim you can't support.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Now.....be honest.

Would Hussein have told .....publicly told.....illegal aliens to go and vote ......if there weren't multiple millions of 'em as Democrat voters?

False

The claim originates from an interview with Obama published on 3 November 2016, in which millennial actress Gina Rodriguez asked the president about a number of issues facing young Latinos. Many of the outrage posts were written around a video in which the majority of the president’s response was edited out to give the misleading impression that Obama was urging undocumented immigrants to vote illegally.

In the actual interview, Obama encouraged Latino citizens that have family members that may be undocumented to vote. The video was edited to make it sound like he was encouraging illegals to vote. See the link.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote

Of course it's true: Snopes is a Leftist apologist and liar.




Well....let's check.






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.





There are 60-80 million illegal aliens in the country, and Obama told them to go and vote.


And millions of 'em did.

The actual interview does not match the video at all. The video is doctored. Your claim that there are 80 million illegal immigrants is absolutely absurd. Do you actually think that Obama would believe that horse crap which is generated by extreme right wingers who oppose immigration and disregard his own immigration people in DHS who say it's 10 million. If that's your position, then further discussion is futile.

That's a lie.

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

In the following unedited video, there is no place where Obama tells undocumented immigrants to vote. If you claim he did, state the quote, otherwise you're making a claim you can't support.

Snopes lies.

You lie.


There is zero 'editing' here:






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.

The good news is that your reputation couldn't fall any lower than it is now.












"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!


3. California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/

 

[Flopper]

False

The claim originates from an interview with Obama published on 3 November 2016, in which millennial actress Gina Rodriguez asked the president about a number of issues facing young Latinos. Many of the outrage posts were written around a video in which the majority of the president’s response was edited out to give the misleading impression that Obama was urging undocumented immigrants to vote illegally.

In the actual interview, Obama encouraged Latino citizens that have family members that may be undocumented to vote. The video was edited to make it sound like he was encouraging illegals to vote. See the link.

FALSE: Obama Encouraged 'Illegal Aliens' to Vote

Of course it's true: Snopes is a Leftist apologist and liar.




Well....let's check.






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.





There are 60-80 million illegal aliens in the country, and Obama told them to go and vote.


And millions of 'em did.

The actual interview does not match the video at all. The video is doctored. Your claim that there are 80 million illegal immigrants is absolutely absurd. Do you actually think that Obama would believe that horse crap which is generated by extreme right wingers who oppose immigration and disregard his own immigration people in DHS who say it's 10 million. If that's your position, then further discussion is futile.

That's a lie.

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

In the following unedited video, there is no place where Obama tells undocumented immigrants to vote. If you claim he did, state the quote, otherwise you're making a claim you can't support.

Snopes lies.

You lie.


There is zero 'editing' here:






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.

The good news is that your reputation couldn't fall any lower than it is now.












"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!


3. California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/

As I said, at no point in the interview did Obama ever urge illegal immigrants to vote and you have no valid quote to substantiate your claim. In the interview Obama urged Latino citizens to vote in order to give voice to members of their community who are precluded from doing so by lack of citizenship, not urging non-citizens to vote illegally. What you're doing is reading into the president's comments what you believe, not what he actually said.

This thread is about border security and the need for additional agents and not about Obama encouraging illegal immigrants to vote. I'm not going to assist you in hijacking this thread. If you want to discuss this subject start your own thread.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course it's true: Snopes is a Leftist apologist and liar.




Well....let's check.






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.





There are 60-80 million illegal aliens in the country, and Obama told them to go and vote.


And millions of 'em did.

The actual interview does not match the video at all. The video is doctored. Your claim that there are 80 million illegal immigrants is absolutely absurd. Do you actually think that Obama would believe that horse crap which is generated by extreme right wingers who oppose immigration and disregard his own immigration people in DHS who say it's 10 million. If that's your position, then further discussion is futile.

That's a lie.

She says 'I' after making clear that she is speaking for illegal aliens.









Transcript:



RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting.

[And that is who she is speaking for!]

So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
[Who would come for legal citizens voting?????????]
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself.

[Just like you.....a bald-faced liar!]

And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera.

[Meaning: 'Go ahead and vote....no one will be the wiser!']



The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.

[Meaning, I guess....if you are living with lots of other illegals...well, heck, at least some of you should go vote! After all....Trump is trying to get rid of you illegals!]

In the following unedited video, there is no place where Obama tells undocumented immigrants to vote. If you claim he did, state the quote, otherwise you're making a claim you can't support.

Snopes lies.

You lie.


There is zero 'editing' here:






1. Referring to illegal aliens, she begins :"I call them citizens because they contribute to the country."

Of course, that is not what makes one a citizen...is it.


2. The young lady continues as if with the voice of the illegal...'If I vote, will immigration know where I live, will they come for my family..."

Now, if she were speaking of a legal citizen....there would be no reason to suggest anyone 'would come for them.'


Do you deny anything above?

Are claiming that 'immigration' would 'come for ' legal citizens who voted???


3. Obama answers the 'illegal citizen voting and fearful of immigration.'

'Not true,' he says....assuring the illegal voter that 'immigration will not know where you live, or come for you.'


4.He goes on to make this bald faced lie: "When you vote you are a citizen yourself"


5. Then he gives his verbal wink and a nod...'there is not a situation where the voting rolls are transferred over and people start investigating...."

The message is clear....'vote...nothing will happen to you...you won't be caught.'


6.There would be no reason to comfort a legal voter in that way.


7. Or...are you claiming that those 30 seconds of video are doctored in some way.

Are you?


Only a lame-brain like you would deny what is clear and evident.

The good news is that your reputation couldn't fall any lower than it is now.












"It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California
If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes.
.... if you look at every other measure, Trump was the clear and decisive winner in this election."
It's Official: Clinton's Popular Vote Win Came Entirely From California


Think California is loaded with illegal alien voters??????

You betcha'!!!!


3. California has the largest number of illegal immigrants in the United States, with an estimated 2.4 million unauthorized immigrants making up about 6.3 percent of the state's total population, according to the Pew Research Center.Sep 14, 2015
Illegal Immigration Statistics in California - Newsmax.com
www.newsmax.com/FastFeatures/illegal-immigration-California/2015/09/14/.../691462/

As I said, at no point in the interview did Obama ever urge illegal immigrants to vote and you have no valid quote to substantiate your claim. In the interview Obama urged Latino citizens to vote in order to give voice to members of their community who are precluded from doing so by lack of citizenship, not urging non-citizens to vote illegally. What you're doing is reading into the president's comments what you believe, not what he actually said.

This thread is about border security and the need for additional agents and not about Obama encouraging illegal immigrants to vote. I'm not going to assist you in hijacking this thread. If you want to discuss this subject start your own thread.

"As I said, at no point in the interview did Obama ever urge illegal immigrants to vote"



An obvious lie.


"When you vote you are a citizen yourself"

Clearly a bald-faced lie.....just as you are a bald-faced liar.

 

[Butch_Coolidge]

There is probably a lot more to do than just patrol. They probably have to document and investigate every single one of these poor victims. That is a [emoji90] ton of paperwork, that needs to be perfect when the law suits start. I’m sure they are not all sitting in cars eating Cheetos. The libs like to simplify everything, but I’m sure there are more directives and procedures than ever. Not exactly a political patronage job.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[initforme]

Nothing wrong with 20000 more border patrol agents. If you want the wall you endorse this. Can't have one without the other.

 

[Flopper]

Nothing wrong with 20000 more border patrol agents. If you want the wall you endorse this. Can't have one without the other.

Typically, the stronger the barrier the less agents needed. However when you can just walk around the barrier maybe those agents are needed.

 

[charwin95]

So let me repeat what I just said. We do NOT have millions of illegals coming in to this country at the southern border. Stupid fuck.

If there are millions coming in show me your proof. Prove it. I’ll wait.

This is exactly what im talking about. Youre knowledge on this subject is fucking terrible. You have no business posting in this thread.

"52% of unauthorized immigrants were from Mexico"

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Now go read more on the subject or quietly listen to the rest of us talk, but dont you dare pretend like you know a fucking thing about immigration because, you clearly dont.

I’m BAAAAACK. You probably praying hard that I will ignore an ignorant key board Rambo like you.
I understand your mother fed you with TOILET WATER. You grown up now. Stop drinking toilet water.

 

[charwin95]

So let me repeat what I just said. We do NOT have millions of illegals coming in to this country at the southern border. Stupid fuck.

If there are millions coming in show me your proof. Prove it. I’ll wait.

This is exactly what im talking about. Youre knowledge on this subject is fucking terrible. You have no business posting in this thread.

"52% of unauthorized immigrants were from Mexico"

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Now go read more on the subject or quietly listen to the rest of us talk, but dont you dare pretend like you know a fucking thing about immigration because, you clearly dont.

And when I see these fucking thing post from ignorant like you. I know I’m winning. But I will not lower myself to your kind of animal. UNDERSTAND?

Let me make it clear for you. I’ve been involved with this immigration subject and real life since late 80s long before TAPATALK was born.
I’ve challenged at 4 or 5 members of this site. Real live tour. To give them a clear view and real life experiences how and what and where these CBP works.
With my own expense from wherever they live. I can’t remember all of them but one is Here we go again. No takers.

I also challenged members of this site real life debate. Also no takers.

You are giving me a link as your reference that existed a long time ago. What made you think I have not seen that years ago?

1. The only reason you got involved because of Trump. Suddenly you became an expert just by watching Trump lies. LMAO.

READ don’t just stare at my post. The only reason and only reason we are talking about this bullshit is Trump’s wall and illegals coming in. Remember the word WALLS and ILLEGALS COMING IN.

We are NOT talking about illegals that are already here.
Are you with me?

So I am asking you. Show me an evidence that millions of illegals are coming in.

 

[charwin95]

1. There’s a big difference between Incentive to better your life and his or her family vs terrorism.
Hopefully you know the difference.
Do you?

2. I did and lots of them. Why and what are the benefits for these CBP supporting the walls?
They’ve been working there for many years and they make good living ( at their level of standards).
That FUCKING TRUMP WALL ( that’s most of what they say) will make them obsolete.
Do you know what that means?
Do you?

Good to see that you have come over to our side and know that the wall is extremely effective!

Thank you!

No I did not. Go back and read what I posted.

Sure you did. Here are your exact words and I quote: "That FUCKING TRUMP WALL ( that’s most of what they say) will make them obsolete.

Do you know what that means?"
###

Yes, I know exactly what that means!

If the wall will make our Border Patrol Agents obsolete, then the wall has to be extremely effective. Of course, that is bogus, they won't be obsolete, they will be able to be more effectively used with more agents at the legal crossings.

Very wrong Markel. Means they will not need more CBP agents.

 

[BluesLegend]

Why Isn't 20,000 Border Patrol Agents Enough

That's 1 border agent for every 1,000 illegals. They work hard but come on asking 1 border patrol agent to deal with 1,000 illegals is a bit much. How about 1 million border patrol agents. When they have nothing to do we can have them arrest traitor Dem's who aid and give sanctuary to illegals.

 

[charwin95]

Start your separate thread.

We are talking about wall.

Charwin95, it was YOU who asked the question?

Is the "wall" not central to border security? How is it NOT?

Show me where I asked the question.
What post number?

Here are your exact words. "2. I did and lots of them. Why and what are the benefits for these CBP supporting the walls?"

Following that, someone posted the benefits of immigration reform to which you, typically, responded in an arrogant manner that this thread was about the wall and they should start their own post.

You're worse than a troll, you're a boring troll!

Bye!

Markle I asked you to provide me what post number. Let me repeat it again.

What post number?

 

[Godboy]

So let me repeat what I just said. We do NOT have millions of illegals coming in to this country at the southern border. Stupid fuck.

If there are millions coming in show me your proof. Prove it. I’ll wait.

This is exactly what im talking about. Youre knowledge on this subject is fucking terrible. You have no business posting in this thread.

"52% of unauthorized immigrants were from Mexico"

Illegal immigration to the United States - Wikipedia

Now go read more on the subject or quietly listen to the rest of us talk, but dont you dare pretend like you know a fucking thing about immigration because, you clearly dont.

And when I see these fucking thing post from ignorant like you. I know I’m winning. But I will not lower myself to your kind of animal. UNDERSTAND?

Let me make it clear for you. I’ve been involved with this immigration subject and real life since late 80s long before TAPATALK was born.
I’ve challenged at 4 or 5 members of this site. Real live tour. To give them a clear view and real life experiences how and what and where these CBP works.
With my own expense from wherever they live. I can’t remember all of them but one is Here we go again. No takers.

I also challenged members of this site real life debate. Also no takers.

You are giving me a link as your reference that existed a long time ago. What made you think I have not seen that years ago?

1. The only reason you got involved because of Trump. Suddenly you became an expert just by watching Trump lies. LMAO.

READ don’t just stare at my post. The only reason and only reason we are talking about this bullshit is Trump’s wall and illegals coming in. Remember the word WALLS and ILLEGALS COMING IN.

We are NOT talking about illegals that are already here.
Are you with me?

So I am asking you. Show me an evidence that millions of illegals are coming in.

If you made good arguments, i might be more enticed to debate you. You bore me.

 

[Joann Stubbs]

Trump wants 15,000 more agents on the southern border. The border is 2,000 miles. That means there would be 18 agents for ever mile of border or an agent for every 290 feet. This seems like a big overkill when you consider the difficulty in crossing large portions of the border and the technology we have available today to detect and track intruders.

Did you take in to the problem that you have three shifts, and there are days off and vacation time. I takes 3 people per position to operate 24 7. You could shut the border down after Midnight. That would save money.

 

[charwin95]

The problem with idiots like you who don’t know crap about border security.
Trump came in suddenly you pretend you know a lot about border security.

Dude you are just plain dumb ignorant. You don’t know a diddly shit about border security.

Let me repeat it again. Majority of Americans do not support your wall. Even GOP lawmakers do not support that wall.

Stop. You arent even aware that there are MILLIONS of illegals in this country. You have no business in any discussion about border security. For fuck sake man, how stupid are you that you would actually comment on border security without at least having a basic understanding of it? You are way out of your depth here.

Evidence indicates 60-80 million illegals residing in the country.....the reason Obama told illegals to go and vote.

80 million illegal immigrants in the US would be about half the population of Mexico and Central America combined, the primary countries from which illegal immigrants come. I have seen it claimed that the number exceeds 100 million, making 1/3 of the country illegal. If Trump sees this, he'll claim most of nation is illegal.

Ever notice you need to 'Press #1 for English' ????


Take notes, dunce:


1. Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes


"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."



How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' nervous?



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.



Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

======================================================

Judging by the amount of time and effort that the Democrats spend advancing the aims and claims of illegal aliens....one can begin to see what a huge constituency they make up for the Democrat Party.


" Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

... the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you."

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way | Investor's Business Daily

I chased down the estimate you quoted of 80 million illegal immigrants. Actually the number jumps around, 37 million, 60 million, or 80 million. Apparently these figures come from the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, an activist group that opposes all immigration. They have been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What's interesting is their methodology for calculating undocumented immigrants. It might be more appropriate to call it a scientific wild ass guess, eliminating the scientific part.

1. Select a realistic number of illegal aliens present in 2007 based on a previous study or equivalent analysis. Apparently they asked some people in the Border patrol, and some other law enforcement people how many undocumented immigrants that cross our border did not get caught.
2. Extrapolate the number to the current year. No details given as to how this was done.
3. Subtract 5 million illegal aliens who were amnestied by the Obama royal decree.????
4. Factor in increased inflow of illegal aliens based upon the incentive of future amnesty coupled with Obama's blatant non-enforcement of existing immigration laws and de-emphasized border security. There was no explanation of how they estimated the impact of the incentive of possible future amnesty.

I never said there weren't Million of illegals in the country. In fact, I have always used the Pew Research estimates that have run 10 to 12 million, the actual figures are 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. I use Pew Research figures because to my knowledge they are the only research group that publishes their complete methodology.

The Dept of Homeland Security also publishes and estimate the size of the undocumented immigrant population. It appears that their mythology is similar to Pew Research as is their results. DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010.

Studies at the University of Texas and University of New Hampshire of Mexican immigrants confirm Pew estimates. The Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. However, I can't find their methodology on the Net.

A Yale MIT study concludes that the numbers from DHS and Pew are incorrect due to errors in the census. They estimate the number of undocumented immigrants for 2016 at 16 to 22 million. They use US census data for each year between 1990 and 2016 to adjust the census figures for changes in method.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
The challenges of counting the nation's unauthorized immigrants
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - Wikipedia
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

Politicalchick uses this CAIRCO to force her immigration views.
I got tired of SWAG and philosophical opinions.

 

[charwin95]

Stop. You arent even aware that there are MILLIONS of illegals in this country. You have no business in any discussion about border security. For fuck sake man, how stupid are you that you would actually comment on border security without at least having a basic understanding of it? You are way out of your depth here.

Evidence indicates 60-80 million illegals residing in the country.....the reason Obama told illegals to go and vote.

80 million illegal immigrants in the US would be about half the population of Mexico and Central America combined, the primary countries from which illegal immigrants come. I have seen it claimed that the number exceeds 100 million, making 1/3 of the country illegal. If Trump sees this, he'll claim most of nation is illegal.

Ever notice you need to 'Press #1 for English' ????


Take notes, dunce:


1. Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes


"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."



How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' nervous?



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.



Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

======================================================

Judging by the amount of time and effort that the Democrats spend advancing the aims and claims of illegal aliens....one can begin to see what a huge constituency they make up for the Democrat Party.


" Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

... the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you."

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way | Investor's Business Daily

I chased down the estimate you quoted of 80 million illegal immigrants. Actually the number jumps around, 37 million, 60 million, or 80 million. Apparently these figures come from the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, an activist group that opposes all immigration. They have been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What's interesting is their methodology for calculating undocumented immigrants. It might be more appropriate to call it a scientific wild ass guess, eliminating the scientific part.

1. Select a realistic number of illegal aliens present in 2007 based on a previous study or equivalent analysis. Apparently they asked some people in the Border patrol, and some other law enforcement people how many undocumented immigrants that cross our border did not get caught.
2. Extrapolate the number to the current year. No details given as to how this was done.
3. Subtract 5 million illegal aliens who were amnestied by the Obama royal decree.????
4. Factor in increased inflow of illegal aliens based upon the incentive of future amnesty coupled with Obama's blatant non-enforcement of existing immigration laws and de-emphasized border security. There was no explanation of how they estimated the impact of the incentive of possible future amnesty.

I never said there weren't Million of illegals in the country. In fact, I have always used the Pew Research estimates that have run 10 to 12 million, the actual figures are 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. I use Pew Research figures because to my knowledge they are the only research group that publishes their complete methodology.

The Dept of Homeland Security also publishes and estimate the size of the undocumented immigrant population. It appears that their mythology is similar to Pew Research as is their results. DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010.

Studies at the University of Texas and University of New Hampshire of Mexican immigrants confirm Pew estimates. The Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. However, I can't find their methodology on the Net.

A Yale MIT study concludes that the numbers from DHS and Pew are incorrect due to errors in the census. They estimate the number of undocumented immigrants for 2016 at 16 to 22 million. They use US census data for each year between 1990 and 2016 to adjust the census figures for changes in method.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
The challenges of counting the nation's unauthorized immigrants
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - Wikipedia
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

Now.....be honest.

Would Hussein have told .....publicly told.....illegal aliens to go and vote ......if there weren't multiple millions of 'em as Democrat voters?

WTH. You’ve been blasted several times by other members with this same false accusation.
And you keep repeating it. Very funny.

 

[Godboy]

Evidence indicates 60-80 million illegals residing in the country.....the reason Obama told illegals to go and vote.

80 million illegal immigrants in the US would be about half the population of Mexico and Central America combined, the primary countries from which illegal immigrants come. I have seen it claimed that the number exceeds 100 million, making 1/3 of the country illegal. If Trump sees this, he'll claim most of nation is illegal.

Ever notice you need to 'Press #1 for English' ????


Take notes, dunce:


1. Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes


"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."



How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' nervous?



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.



Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

======================================================

Judging by the amount of time and effort that the Democrats spend advancing the aims and claims of illegal aliens....one can begin to see what a huge constituency they make up for the Democrat Party.


" Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

... the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you."

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way | Investor's Business Daily

I chased down the estimate you quoted of 80 million illegal immigrants. Actually the number jumps around, 37 million, 60 million, or 80 million. Apparently these figures come from the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, an activist group that opposes all immigration. They have been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What's interesting is their methodology for calculating undocumented immigrants. It might be more appropriate to call it a scientific wild ass guess, eliminating the scientific part.

1. Select a realistic number of illegal aliens present in 2007 based on a previous study or equivalent analysis. Apparently they asked some people in the Border patrol, and some other law enforcement people how many undocumented immigrants that cross our border did not get caught.
2. Extrapolate the number to the current year. No details given as to how this was done.
3. Subtract 5 million illegal aliens who were amnestied by the Obama royal decree.????
4. Factor in increased inflow of illegal aliens based upon the incentive of future amnesty coupled with Obama's blatant non-enforcement of existing immigration laws and de-emphasized border security. There was no explanation of how they estimated the impact of the incentive of possible future amnesty.

I never said there weren't Million of illegals in the country. In fact, I have always used the Pew Research estimates that have run 10 to 12 million, the actual figures are 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. I use Pew Research figures because to my knowledge they are the only research group that publishes their complete methodology.

The Dept of Homeland Security also publishes and estimate the size of the undocumented immigrant population. It appears that their mythology is similar to Pew Research as is their results. DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010.

Studies at the University of Texas and University of New Hampshire of Mexican immigrants confirm Pew estimates. The Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. However, I can't find their methodology on the Net.

A Yale MIT study concludes that the numbers from DHS and Pew are incorrect due to errors in the census. They estimate the number of undocumented immigrants for 2016 at 16 to 22 million. They use US census data for each year between 1990 and 2016 to adjust the census figures for changes in method.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
The challenges of counting the nation's unauthorized immigrants
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - Wikipedia
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

Now.....be honest.

Would Hussein have told .....publicly told.....illegal aliens to go and vote ......if there weren't multiple millions of 'em as Democrat voters?

WTH. You’ve been blasted several times by other members with this same false accusation.
And you keep repeating it. Very funny.

You think there arent millions of illegals in the US, therefore youre too ignorant on this subject to be worthy of debate. Do some research, retard.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Evidence indicates 60-80 million illegals residing in the country.....the reason Obama told illegals to go and vote.

80 million illegal immigrants in the US would be about half the population of Mexico and Central America combined, the primary countries from which illegal immigrants come. I have seen it claimed that the number exceeds 100 million, making 1/3 of the country illegal. If Trump sees this, he'll claim most of nation is illegal.

Ever notice you need to 'Press #1 for English' ????


Take notes, dunce:


1. Case in point: while millions of illegal aliens filter into the country year after year, the very same figure...."11 million illegal aliens live in the country"....neither changes nor is questioned.



2. "... no number has been given greater certitude and less investigation than that. Not even the number of planets in our solar system has enjoyed such constancy and acceptance.



Imagine the reaction if the media reported daily that this 20 million cohort, supplemented by chain migration and family reunification mandates, would swell to 40 million or 50 million in a decade." How Many Illegal Immigrants Live in the US?





There are between 50 million and 80 million illegal aliens living in this country.




3. James H. Walsh, formerly an Associate General Counsel of the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) in the United States Department of Justice, writes


"... the U.S. Census Bureau routinely undercounts and then adjusts upward total census numbers of Hispanics and other foreign nationals residing in the United States––counting only, of course, those willing to be counted. For the year 2000, the Census Bureau reported a total U.S. population count of “about 275 million” men, women, and children.


When the states and local governments challenged that number as an undercount, the total was corrected upward to 281.4 million, with no clear count of illegal aliens. The Hispanic 2000 census count was 32.8 million, but on re-count the Census Bureau adjusted this number upward to 35.3 million, a 13 percent increase."

How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


Increased the totals by 13%!!!

Now....hold on tight....this is gonna involve mathematics, so I may lose you here:


Soooo....if we apply that same 'adjustment' to the fabled 11 million....over a decade of so....we have almost 40 million.





But wait!!!

There's more!


4. Another way to arrive at the numbers of illegals in the country is to base it on the number of apprehensions and escapes.


"The average number of recorded apprehensions of illegal aliens in the United States now hovers at 1.2 million a year [in 2007]. A DHS report, Border Apprehensions: 2005, documented 1.3 million apprehensions in 2005. For the 10-year period (1996–2005), the highest number of apprehensions, 1.8 million, occurred in 2000, and the lowest, 1 million, in 2003. These DHS statistics contradict persistent statements by other government agencies that only 400,000 to 500,000 illegal aliens enter the country each year.



Journeymen Border Patrol agents (on the job five years or more) estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven. That informed estimate would raise the total number of illegal aliens entering the United States in 2003 to 8 million men, women, and children.


He concludes that:


My estimate of 38 million illegal aliens residing in the United States is calculated, however, using a conservative annual rate of entry (allowing for deaths and returns to their homelands) of three illegal aliens entering the United States for each one apprehended. My estimate includes apprehensions at the Southern Border (by far, the majority), at the Northern Border, along the Pacific, Atlantic, and Gulf of Mexico coasts, and at seaports and airports.





5. Taking the DHS average of 1.2 million apprehensions per year and multiplying it by 3 comes to 3.6 million illegal entries per year; then multiplying that number by 10 for the 1996–2005 period, my calculations come to 36 million illegal entries into the United States. Add to this the approximately 2 million visa overstays during the same period, and the total is 38 million illegal aliens currently in the United States."



How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research


....and that number is over a decade old!!!!!!


Gettin' nervous?



6. But other Border Patrol agents estimate that a minimum of five illegal aliens enter the United States for each apprehension, and more likely seven......which would give a total of nearly 80 million illegals occupying our country.


The number of illegals would be at least.....at least.....60-80 million at this time.....permanently residing right here is this country.



Hence...even a tiny fraction of them voting would be 3-6 million votes.

======================================================

Judging by the amount of time and effort that the Democrats spend advancing the aims and claims of illegal aliens....one can begin to see what a huge constituency they make up for the Democrat Party.


" Democrats had extensive get-out-the-vote campaigns in areas heavily populated by illegal aliens. As far back as 2008, Obama made sure that those who wanted to vote knew it was safe, announcing that election records would not be cross-checked with immigration databases.

... the Obama White House supported a court injunction that kept Kansas, Alabama and Georgia from requiring proof of citizenship to register to vote. The message was sent, loud and clear: If you're a noncitizen or here illegally, don't be afraid. You're free to vote. No one will stop you."

Did Votes By Noncitizens Cost Trump The 2016 Popular Vote? Sure Looks That Way | Investor's Business Daily

I chased down the estimate you quoted of 80 million illegal immigrants. Actually the number jumps around, 37 million, 60 million, or 80 million. Apparently these figures come from the Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform, an activist group that opposes all immigration. They have been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. What's interesting is their methodology for calculating undocumented immigrants. It might be more appropriate to call it a scientific wild ass guess, eliminating the scientific part.

1. Select a realistic number of illegal aliens present in 2007 based on a previous study or equivalent analysis. Apparently they asked some people in the Border patrol, and some other law enforcement people how many undocumented immigrants that cross our border did not get caught.
2. Extrapolate the number to the current year. No details given as to how this was done.
3. Subtract 5 million illegal aliens who were amnestied by the Obama royal decree.????
4. Factor in increased inflow of illegal aliens based upon the incentive of future amnesty coupled with Obama's blatant non-enforcement of existing immigration laws and de-emphasized border security. There was no explanation of how they estimated the impact of the incentive of possible future amnesty.

I never said there weren't Million of illegals in the country. In fact, I have always used the Pew Research estimates that have run 10 to 12 million, the actual figures are 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007. I use Pew Research figures because to my knowledge they are the only research group that publishes their complete methodology.

The Dept of Homeland Security also publishes and estimate the size of the undocumented immigrant population. It appears that their mythology is similar to Pew Research as is their results. DHS estimates that 12.0 million illegal aliens were living in the United States in January 2015, compared to 11.5 million in January 2014 and 11.6 million in January 2010.

Studies at the University of Texas and University of New Hampshire of Mexican immigrants confirm Pew estimates. The Center for Migration Studies says there were 10.8 million people in 2016 living in the U.S. illegally. However, I can't find their methodology on the Net.

A Yale MIT study concludes that the numbers from DHS and Pew are incorrect due to errors in the census. They estimate the number of undocumented immigrants for 2016 at 16 to 22 million. They use US census data for each year between 1990 and 2016 to adjust the census figures for changes in method.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf
The challenges of counting the nation's unauthorized immigrants
Illegal Immigration Statistics - FactCheck.org
The number of undocumented immigrants in the United States: Estimates based on demographic modeling with data from 1990 to 2016
Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform - Wikipedia
How many illegal aliens reside in the United States? | CAIRCO - Colorado Alliance for Immigration Reform | issues legislation projects research

Now.....be honest.

Would Hussein have told .....publicly told.....illegal aliens to go and vote ......if there weren't multiple millions of 'em as Democrat voters?

WTH. You’ve been blasted several times by other members with this same false accusation.
And you keep repeating it. Very funny.

Actually, it is totally true and correct....as evidenced by how it angers your America-haters.



I understand how addiction works, and how difficult to end....but consider working to end your addiction to Democrat's shoe polish.