Why is Obamacare unconstitutional but Medicare is not?

[Oddball]

When you're ready to start citing Supreme Court and/or lower court cases to back your opinion up, let me know.

Now you're just being chicken shit. First you say in big bold letters that the enumerated specific powers of Section 8 don't refer to spending. Then in the very next post you say they aren't ONLY referring to spending (which by extension means you are saying the do indeed refer to spending). Pretty hard to debate someone who can't keep their own lies straight.

Well, he is a gullible warming cargo cultist after all, so I guess it only follows.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

when you're ready to start citing supremee court and/or lower court ruling to back up your opinion that the specific waterboard treatment is torture, let me know.

Why? I already know waterboarding its torture. If your a mental retard and can't figure that out, its not my problem.

 

[Yurt]

when you're ready to start citing supremee court and/or lower court ruling to back up your opinion that the specific waterboard treatment is torture, let me know.

Why? I already know waterboarding its torture. If your a mental retard and can't figure that out, its not my problem.

nice hypocrite....demand others cite court authority for their constitutional reasoning, but don't provide any yourself because "i already know"

you have failed miserably in this thread, you should be embarrassed, well, if yoiu had dignity you would be hypocrite

 

[maineman]

when you're ready to start citing supremee court and/or lower court ruling to back up your opinion that the specific waterboard treatment is torture, let me know.

Why? I already know waterboarding its torture. If your a mental retard and can't figure that out, its not my problem.

nice hypocrite....demand others cite court authority for their constitutional reasoning, but don't provide any yourself because "i already know"

you have failed miserably in this thread, you should be embarrassed, well, if yoiu had dignity you would be hypocrite

again... I ask you yurt... honestly... if you were captured on the battlefield by an enemy that you had been actively engaged in trying to kill... and, after capture, that enemy strapped you to a board, tilted you back and began pouring water down your nose and mouth, and you became convinced that you were drowning, do you think that you might experience what could be called severe mental pain?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

when you're ready to start citing supremee court and/or lower court ruling to back up your opinion that the specific waterboard treatment is torture, let me know.

Why? I already know waterboarding its torture. If your a mental retard and can't figure that out, its not my problem.

nice hypocrite....demand others cite court authority for their constitutional reasoning, but don't provide any yourself because "i already know"

you have failed miserably in this thread, you should be embarrassed, well, if yoiu had dignity you would be hypocrite

I never made any constitutional argument related to waterboarding. You are seriously dumb.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Why? I already know waterboarding its torture. If your a mental retard and can't figure that out, its not my problem.

nice hypocrite....demand others cite court authority for their constitutional reasoning, but don't provide any yourself because "i already know"

you have failed miserably in this thread, you should be embarrassed, well, if yoiu had dignity you would be hypocrite

again... I ask you yurt... honestly... if you were captured on the battlefield by an enemy that you had been actively engaged in trying to kill... and, after capture, that enemy strapped you to a board, tilted you back and began pouring water down your nose and mouth, and you became convinced that you were drowning, do you think that you might experience what could be called severe mental pain?

Yurt is actually just severely mentally handicapped. Don't waste your time with it.

 

[Avatar4321]

Who ever said Medicare wasnt?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

Who ever said Medicare wasnt?

Bern

 

[KissMy]

TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!

- Taxing people who do not use the health care system is a lack of representation.

- Taxing the entire populace for health care for 5 years & giving them no health care in return is tyranny & a total lack of representation.

- Government coming between me & my doctor causing both us us to get less from our relationship is tyranny.

- This is nothing more than forcing all US citizens to pay for the debt already created by the governments socialist ponzi scheme. There is no other reason to take 5 years pay to do nothing.

THIS IS COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

 

[sboyle24]

TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!

- Taxing people who do not use the health care system is a lack of representation.

- Taxing the entire populace for health care for 5 years & giving them no health care in return is tyranny & a total lack of representation.

- Government coming between me & my doctor causing both us us to get less from our relationship is tyranny.

- This is nothing more than forcing all US citizens to pay for the debt already created by the governments socialist ponzi scheme. There is no other reason to take 5 years pay to do nothing.

THIS IS COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL!!!

For now that's just an opinion. When supreme court cases are made then constitutionality will be decided.

 

[Bern80]

For now that's just an opinion. When supreme court cases are made then constitutionality will be decided.

I fail to see how that is 'just an opinion'. What is it you are contending that is an opinion. The concept of no taxation without representation? That taxing all for the benefit of the few isn't an example of taxation without representation?

And I don't get this resorting to the courts to weakly defend your position of constitutionality. There is this thing called absolute truth which exists outside of what anyone's OPINION of the truth is, including the opinion of a judge. Which means judges can and do get it wrong in interpreting the law, more often than not due to their personal beliefs getting in the way of what the law is.

 

[sboyle24]

For now that's just an opinion. When supreme court cases are made then constitutionality will be decided.

I fail to see how that is 'just an opinion'. What is it you are contending that is an opinion. The concept of no taxation without representation? That taxing all for the benefit of the few isn't an example of taxation without representation?

And I don't get this resorting to the courts to weakly defend your position of constitutionality. There is this thing called absolute truth which exists outside of what anyone's OPINION of the truth is, including the opinion of a judge. Which means judges can and do get it wrong in interpreting the law, more often than not due to their personal beliefs getting in the way of what the law is.

Weakly defend my opinion? Did I give an opinion? No. I stated a fact. Constitutionality will be decided by the courts, all other speculation is just opinion. Fact. Live with it. You don't have to disagree with every post you know.

 

[Yurt]

nice hypocrite....demand others cite court authority for their constitutional reasoning, but don't provide any yourself because "i already know"

you have failed miserably in this thread, you should be embarrassed, well, if yoiu had dignity you would be hypocrite

again... I ask you yurt... honestly... if you were captured on the battlefield by an enemy that you had been actively engaged in trying to kill... and, after capture, that enemy strapped you to a board, tilted you back and began pouring water down your nose and mouth, and you became convinced that you were drowning, do you think that you might experience what could be called severe mental pain?

Yurt is actually just severely mentally handicapped. Don't waste your time with it.

lool....the liar projects

you're just pissy because you you're a proven hypocrite and can't spin your way out....coward

 

[Yurt]

Why? I already know waterboarding its torture. If your a mental retard and can't figure that out, its not my problem.

nice hypocrite....demand others cite court authority for their constitutional reasoning, but don't provide any yourself because "i already know"

you have failed miserably in this thread, you should be embarrassed, well, if yoiu had dignity you would be hypocrite

I never made any constitutional argument related to waterboarding. You are seriously dumb.

you're a liar...i've repeatedly talked about torture as a constitutional issue and you keep saying torture is a federal crime....the issue, for anyone honest out there, is that you claim something is constitutional because no court has ruled otherwise and you demand others provide court opinions to back up their opinions.....i challenged your hypocrisy because you said the specific waterboarding was torture....YET....no court has ruled thusly, thus you have no court opinion to back up your opinion.....

thus, you are a liar and a hypocrite....

next

 

[SpidermanTuba]

- Taxing people who do not use the health care system is a lack of representation.

I don't think you understand what "taxation without representation" means.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

And I don't get this resorting to the courts to weakly defend your position of constitutionality.

I don't think you understand how our system of government works.

There is this thing called absolute truth which exists outside of what anyone's OPINION of the truth is, including the opinion of a judge.

Right, and only YOU are privy to this "absolute truth", and the rest of us are all morons for not seeing it your way. Since you know the "absolute truth" and these idiot judges obviously don't, and most of these idiot Congressmen, and obviously the idiot President, we'd probably all be better off if we made you dictator, right?

 

[SpidermanTuba]

you're a liar...i've repeatedly talked about torture as a constitutional issue and you keep saying torture is a federal crime....

It is a federal crime.

the issue, for anyone honest out there, is that you claim something is constitutional because no court has ruled otherwise

On the contrary, I claim that its constitutional because that's what the constitution says, and I back my claim up with courts actually ruling in that manner.

you said the specific waterboarding was torture....YET....no court has ruled thusly, thus you have no court opinion to back up your opinion.....

Its not a constitutional question. Seriously, dude YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

 

[Bern80]

I don't think you understand how our system of government works.

I do and clearly better than you do since you think our framers intended for congress to have what amounts to unlimited power to tax. I understand that we are a nation of laws and that we elect fallable human beings to make them (legislators) and interpret them (judges).

Right, and only YOU are privy to this "absolute truth", and the rest of us are all morons for not seeing it your way. Since you know the "absolute truth" and these idiot judges obviously don't, and most of these idiot Congressmen, and obviously the idiot President, we'd probably all be better off if we made you dictator, right?

No I just possess an intellect greater than your average junior high student. Most people past that level understand that our framers intended for the federal governments power to be limited such that it couldn't eventually lead to tyranny. Your interpretation of the general wellfare clause contradicts that principle.

 

[Yurt]

you're a liar...i've repeatedly talked about torture as a constitutional issue and you keep saying torture is a federal crime....

It is a federal crime.

the issue, for anyone honest out there, is that you claim something is constitutional because no court has ruled otherwise

On the contrary, I claim that its constitutional because that's what the constitution says, and I back my claim up with courts actually ruling in that manner.

you said the specific waterboarding was torture....YET....no court has ruled thusly, thus you have no court opinion to back up your opinion.....

Its not a constitutional question. Seriously, dude YOU ARE FUCKING STUPID

torture violates the 8th amendment you stupid moron....just because there is also a federal law against torture, doesn't mean you don't also have a constitutional 8th amendment claim.

further, i more narrowly tailored my response to your federal crime scenario and simply added that no court has ruled that the specific waterboarding conducted is torture..........

you claim something is constitutional because the constitution says and courts back it up and then you call others out for not providing court opinions to back up their opinions of whether something is constitutional

yet....you cannot provide a single court case to back up your opinion that the specific waterboarding conduct is torture...thus, you are clearly a hypocrite...

its clear you're in desperate spin mode and melting down

 

[SpidermanTuba]

I do and clearly better than you do since you think our framers intended for congress to have what amounts to unlimited power to tax.

No, that's not what I think. When you're ready to debate with my actual thoughts instead of the thoughts you make up for me, let me know.

No I just possess an intellect greater than your average junior high student.

So you're telling me Justice Owen Roberts and Justice Benjamin N. Cardozo never finished high school? Its amazing they were able to get appointments to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Just curious, what's the highest level of education YOU completed?