Why is climate science political?

[Saigon]

BTW dear person, CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION. .

No, of course not - my apology if I gave that impression. I rather thought was self-evident.

 

[Saigon]

No, there's no such thing as a PhD in "research", you claimed she was a PhD researcher.

Either she has a PhD in some science, or you're a fibber.

So which is it?

Dear God, that really is some desperate, desperate stuff, Westwall!!

My wife is a paid researcher. She is writing her PhD. When she has completed her PhD, she will continue to be a paid reseacher.

I will accept an apology.

Ahhhh, you're a fibber! You expect me to apologise to you when you told an untrue statement? That's rich. BTW you don't "write your PhD" You might want to become more acquainted with the world of academia before you make a fool of yourself again.

And for the record ALL GRAD STUDENTS are paid researchers, they just aren't paid much.

Now run along fibber. You still havn't said what FIELD she is studying. Landscape engineering?

Um....what ARE you talking about? What "fib" did I tell? What "untrue" statement do you see?

Seriously - I have absolutely no idea what you are ranting about here.

btw. Not all grad students receive funding or grants (at least not here). It's a very competitive field, and funding is often only for one year when it does come. There are not so many paid research positions here, but my wife is lucky to have one.

 

[westwall]

Dear God, that really is some desperate, desperate stuff, Westwall!!

My wife is a paid researcher. She is writing her PhD. When she has completed her PhD, she will continue to be a paid reseacher.

I will accept an apology.

Ahhhh, you're a fibber! You expect me to apologise to you when you told an untrue statement? That's rich. BTW you don't "write your PhD" You might want to become more acquainted with the world of academia before you make a fool of yourself again.

And for the record ALL GRAD STUDENTS are paid researchers, they just aren't paid much.

Now run along fibber. You still havn't said what FIELD she is studying. Landscape engineering?

Um....what ARE you talking about? What "fib" did I tell? What "untrue" statement do you see?

Seriously - I have absolutely no idea what you are ranting about here.

btw. Not all grad students receive funding or grants (at least not here). It's a very competitive field, and funding is often only for one year when it does come. There are not so many paid research positions here, but my wife is lucky to have one.

Your post number 10 in this very thread. You see, when you fib a lot you lose track of what lie you said, and to whom you said it.

"(My wife is a PhD researcher)"

That statement means (at least on the planet I live on) that your wife has a PhD in some science. And that she is working as a researcher for some company or institution of higher learning (you see dear boy I've done both, as has my wife) I then asked you to tell us what specific scientific field she is studying.

You then altered your original statement (after some prodding from me) to state that your wife was "writing" her PhD, (whatever the hell that means) and then expected an apology.

Here, on my planet that is called an untruth. You acted like all the AGW supporters and tried to bluff your way out of it and STILL havn't answered my original question which was what SPECIFIC scientific field is your wife studying. Just like the AGW "scientists" when asked to provide their raw data and original code so that other scientists can check their work.....which is an ESSENTIAL component of the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

I suggest you look that up too. It seems you have a great deal to learn before you rejoin the conversation, so get to work.

 

[Saigon]

Westwall -

My wife is a PhD researcher.

By which I mean that she is writing her PhD (or her dissertation, if you prefer), and has funding for this year to conduct research as part of that process. Two weeks back she presented part of her dissertation at the Sorbonne. When she completes her PhD, she'll likely continue to do paid research if funding is available.

You can apologise for the inexplicable accusations if you like, or you can believe that this is all some dark and evil conspiracy to make my wife look smart if you prefer. If you want to believe my wife is really a programmer at Nokia like everyone else in Finland - believe that.

 

[Artevelde]

The idea that mankind can fundamentally redirect the climate of the Earth in the very brief time-span of a couple of hundreds of years is such obvious hubris it is really rather ridiculous. Unfortunately, it's the kind of hubris scientists are particularly prone to.

 

[Saigon]

The idea that mankind can fundamentally redirect the climate of the Earth in the very brief time-span of a couple of hundreds of years is such obvious hubris it is really rather ridiculous. Unfortunately, it's the kind of hubris scientists are particularly prone to.

Possibly - but doing nothing while oceans rise to threaten the likes of London, LA and New York doesn't seem like a smart plan to me.

Every major business has a contingency plan for terror, sire, earthquake and flood.

Good governance in relation to climate change would surely be to follow suit.

 

[Artevelde]

The idea that mankind can fundamentally redirect the climate of the Earth in the very brief time-span of a couple of hundreds of years is such obvious hubris it is really rather ridiculous. Unfortunately, it's the kind of hubris scientists are particularly prone to.

Possibly - but doing nothing while oceans rise to threaten the likes of London, LA and New York doesn't seem like a smart plan to me.

Every major business has a contingency plan for terror, sire, earthquake and flood.

Good governance in relation to climate change would surely be to follow suit.

I'm all for preparing for floods, earthquackes, droughts, etc.

But that is very different from basing fundamental policy decisions on some hysterical fad.

 

[Decus]

Ahhhh, you're a fibber! You expect me to apologise to you when you told an untrue statement? That's rich. BTW you don't "write your PhD" You might want to become more acquainted with the world of academia before you make a fool of yourself again.

And for the record ALL GRAD STUDENTS are paid researchers, they just aren't paid much.

Now run along fibber. You still havn't said what FIELD she is studying. Landscape engineering?

Um....what ARE you talking about? What "fib" did I tell? What "untrue" statement do you see?

Seriously - I have absolutely no idea what you are ranting about here.

btw. Not all grad students receive funding or grants (at least not here). It's a very competitive field, and funding is often only for one year when it does come. There are not so many paid research positions here, but my wife is lucky to have one.

Your post number 10 in this very thread. You see, when you fib a lot you lose track of what lie you said, and to whom you said it.

"(My wife is a PhD researcher)"

That statement means (at least on the planet I live on) that your wife has a PhD in some science. And that she is working as a researcher for some company or institution of higher learning (you see dear boy I've done both, as has my wife) I then asked you to tell us what specific scientific field she is studying.

You then altered your original statement (after some prodding from me) to state that your wife was "writing" her PhD, (whatever the hell that means) and then expected an apology.

Here, on my planet that is called an untruth. You acted like all the AGW supporters and tried to bluff your way out of it and STILL havn't answered my original question which was what SPECIFIC scientific field is your wife studying. Just like the AGW "scientists" when asked to provide their raw data and original code so that other scientists can check their work.....which is an ESSENTIAL component of the SCIENTIFIC METHOD.

I suggest you look that up too. It seems you have a great deal to learn before you rejoin the conversation, so get to work.

Saigon lives in Europe. You may not realize that there are differences in higher education here. EU member countries are trying to harmonize the various systems through initiatives like the Bologna Accords but the differences between countries are still significant.

In the US PhD studies usually require passing classes covering broader subject areas before the student moves on to choose their research topic and their actual research. Some countries in Europe tend to be more focused on the research. Prior to even being admitted for PhD studies, a student will have gone through a lengthy process of vetting their research topic. Only when supervisors believe that there are sufficient grounds and the research is possible, is the student admitted for studies. There is no reason to believe that Saigon's claim regarding his wife is not legitimate.

 

[Douger]

The idea that mankind can fundamentally redirect the climate of the Earth in the very brief time-span of a couple of hundreds of years is such obvious hubris it is really rather ridiculous. Unfortunately, it's the kind of hubris scientists are particularly prone to.

And if you told your granny you could make a movie of yourself fucking a gurl in the ass and distribute it to 1 billion people in less than 5 minutes..........she'da had you committed.......which probably wouldn't have been all bad since you're apparently an idiot.

 

[editec]

Why is climate science political?

 

[Saigon]

Saigon lives in Europe. You may not realize that there are differences in higher education here. EU member countries are trying to harmonize the various systems through initiatives like the Bologna Accords but the differences between countries are still significant.

In the US PhD studies usually require passing classes covering broader subject areas before the student moves on to choose their research topic and their actual research. Some countries in Europe tend to be more focused on the research. Prior to even being admitted for PhD studies, a student will have gone through a lengthy process of vetting their research topic. Only when supervisors believe that there are sufficient grounds and the research is possible, is the student admitted for studies. There is no reason to believe that Saigon's claim regarding his wife is not legitimate.

Thanks, Decus.

It only occured to me afterwards that Westwall might not have realised that I am not in the US - and no doubt the situation with funding is quite different. PhD studies here are free (all education is), but PhD students typically apply for various grants or research positions within the faculty to have some income.

As you say, PhD here is very specialised and focused, and is based almost entirely around the dissertation - hence my saying she is "writing her Phd". Other than attending some workshops and seminars, there is very little other work for her to do but write.

 

[Saigon]

Possibly - but doing nothing while oceans rise to threaten the likes of London, LA and New York doesn't seem like a smart plan to me.

Every major business has a contingency plan for terror, sire, earthquake and flood.

Good governance in relation to climate change would surely be to follow suit.

I'm all for preparing for floods, earthquackes, droughts, etc.

But that is very different from basing fundamental policy decisions on some hysterical fad.

Indeed - but I don't really see institutions like the UK Royal Academy of Sciences or the US Society of Physics as being very keen on fads.

I think sceptics need to be a little sensible about these things - the likes of the American Geophysical Society and the EU Federation of Geologists aren't a bunch of dropout hippies - they are amongst the most reputed and respected scientific voices on the planet.

Disagree with them by all means, but pretending they are acting according to some kind of fashion is to suggest Justin Beiber may soon be named head of one of them.

 

[tigerbob]

...........dummy thinks there is no correlation with the science and politics!!!

Ive always found it fascinating that the far left can navigate the world in this perpetual state of naive.

They are intentionally naive like the kid who smacks his little sister on the head and then says he doesn't know why she's crying.

10 points for bluster - 0 for substance.

Then feel free to step up and explain WHY conservative parties around the world disagree with you.

Again - it is ONKY in the US and Australia that the issue is politicised - that we know. The question is WHY it is politicsed in the US.

The question has already been answered more than once.

 

[Saigon]

The question has already been answered more than once.

Fair enough - give me a post # and I'll check it out.

All I've seen on this thread is people saying it's a money-driven left wing conspiracy - apparently supported by conservatives.

 

[tigerbob]

The question has already been answered more than once.

Fair enough - give me a post # and I'll check it out.

All I've seen on this thread is people saying it's a money-driven left wing conspiracy - apparently supported by conservatives.

I said it in my only other post in this thread. Editec said it again most recently about 4 posts ago. It's about money. Yes, it's a simple answer, and one that you appear to have heard and dismissed. Why?

 

[Big Fitz]

The question has already been answered more than once.

Fair enough - give me a post # and I'll check it out.

All I've seen on this thread is people saying it's a money-driven left wing conspiracy - apparently supported by conservatives.

When Truthiepoo (a RABID leftwing kook) AGREES with conservatives in post #4 that it's the money, she kills your thread AND credibility in one shot.

You've got an extra 90 posts of bluster and denial (by the chicken littles like you) after that intermingled with repetition of the same easily observable cause.

I dunno what's creepier. Her being on target on a subject... again... which is way to consistant for her, OR you ignoring it. Then again, you're new.

 

[tigerbob]

The question has already been answered more than once.

Fair enough - give me a post # and I'll check it out.

All I've seen on this thread is people saying it's a money-driven left wing conspiracy - apparently supported by conservatives.

When Truthiepoo (a RABID leftwing kook) AGREES with conservatives in post #4 that it's the money, she kills your thread AND credibility in one shot.

You've got an extra 90 posts of bluster and denial (by the chicken littles like you) after that intermingled with repetition of the same easily observable cause.

I dunno what's creepier. Her being on target on a subject... again... which is way to consistant for her, OR you ignoring it. Then again, you're new.

It may be an issue of personal denial. He's already given great weight to the fact that his wife is a professional researcher. That neither proves nor disproves anything, but the idea that the money to fund any research often comes from groups with an agenda may be inconvenient.

 

[skookerasbil]

...........dummy thinks there is no correlation with the science and politics!!!

Ive always found it fascinating that the far left can navigate the world in this perpetual state of naive.

They are intentionally naive like the kid who smacks his little sister on the head and then says he doesn't know why she's crying.

10 points for bluster - 0 for substance.

Then feel free to step up and explain WHY conservative parties around the world disagree with you.

Again - it is ONKY in the US and Australia that the issue is politicised - that we know. The question is WHY it is politicsed in the US.

Who cares s0n? We sceptics only care that the green side is losing big......... and the fact is, the stupids in other countries have always trusted their governments implicitly, happily embracing socialism. Thankfully we are alot more suspicious over here. Going green requires all sorts of getting on all fours for the government..............plus, people over here prefer to keep more of their own money instead of trusting the government to spend it ( see Solyndra ). A majority of Americans are also OK with there being a wealthy class ( approximately 65%) and are not enamoured with these Plato/Hobbes notions of utopian societies. Europeans have always been romanticized by that bullshit..........lmao........bunch of dolts. The whole continent slides deeper into the shitter on a daily basis!!


All the philosophy doesnt matter though...........nobody cares what conservatives elsewhere support or dont support. But its more than conservatives..........the public let Cap and Trade die on the vine and yawned through the whole thing. Reducing carbon emmissions isnt even on the radar in DC, and state RGGI's have lost in epic fashion over the past 2 to 3 years.
New Hampshire is a perfect example........as told by a green aliance member............

Jim Cavan, of the 94-member Green Alliance business group, said: "[The bill] is more of a product of the toxic political times and furthering the knee-jerk reaction to watch our wallets."


Here is a typical green dickhead being cavalier about people watching their wallets...........and Americans despise that sentiment. Americans hate people on the left telling them how to run their lives.


Nope.........bottom line is, its policital because people dont want to pay double for their electricity. And thank goodness for that............


Fuckk the k00ks.

 

[skookerasbil]

lOL......the last two Climate Summits have been laughable...........ePiC fAiLuReS!!!!! The Obama administartion didnt even send a representative.

Cancun Summit: The True Reasons for the

 

[tigerbob]

Well, I guess that's one view, but please don't attempt to speak for all "skeptics". It is not my only desire to see the green side "lose big". It may well be that the environmental lobby are correct but at the moment there is too much smoke and too many mirrors from both sides.

Also, grouping 'Americans' and 'Europeans' as though to imply that all Americans think one way and all Europeans think another is just silly and undermines any point you're trying to make.