CDZ Why I think colorado tax on ganja should be even higher

[Spare_change]

As a libertarian, one of the thing I hated most is redistribution of wealth. That being said, a moderate and fair redistribution of wealth can be the easiest and cheapest way for libertarians to persuade their fellow citizens to be more libertarians on other ways.

For example. Citizen a live on welfare. Oh ya, let me replace your welfare check with smaller citizen dividend. Would they like it? Probably. Why? Because they escape welfare trap. They can earn money and still get that welfare check.

Citizen b says they want to prohibit drugs. It cause bad stuff for economy. You know what, tax drug and give every citizen money. Tada see how they think after that.

I think unlike libertarianism I now see things from practical perspective. What's a good ideology? Won't be far from libertarianism. Just try things out. See what's working. See what makes GDP grow. See what makes people want to immigrate to your country. That's awesome ideology.

Keep that up and they're going to start accusing you of being conservative.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I am a libertarian.

I like libertarian ideas.

The vanilla version of libertarian is that the sole purpose why we need government is security. The problem with this idea is that government is still "special". Government obviously need tax even under minarchist and is the only one that can initiate force.

The "extreme" version of libertarianism is that even security should be handled by private party.

Okay, that's not extreme enough. What is private? Who decides something is private or governmental?

Let's get more extreme again. Security should be handled by competing organizations.

Voila. We already have that. It's called governments and nation states.

So what should tax rate for anything be?

Just look at what competing governments do.

Most countries in the world prohibit ganja.

That means those who allow it should tax it very high.

And why is that?

Because every organization should and will max out profit for those who own and control the organization.

Imagine you're a store and no body sell what you sell nearby. You charge higher. Then other stores start selling the same thing. You charge lower and lower. That's how free market works.

The same way any states or countries that give freedom to ahmadiyah, ganja smokers, jews (during nazi era), women, should get something out of the extra freedom they give. Once such freedom become the norms you charge less or nothing.

That's how libertarianism should be promoted. By the very market mechanism it does.

If there is death penalty for ganja smuggling in Singapore, why should Colorado charge little? Price of ganja should be just as high as it's price before legalization. Colorado is still giving a better deal for ganja lovers.

And what happens when tax on ganja is high?

The people in Colorado will say, oh we made so much money out of this. Let's legalize the rest.

Tax on lsd, GMT, xtc, cocaine, heroine, will be sky high too. I think the people and democratic process can decide which one is too dangerous and which one they can just tax high.

And then what?

Citizens where ganja is legal will be profited heavily.

Then?

Then more drugs will be legal and more states will legalize drugs. Starting from the safer ones.

Then?

Then and only then, ganja tax can be lowered.

The same goes for immigration and prostitution and income.

What is a "fair tax". Just look at the tax rate in other countries and based tax on that. Yap. A reasonable workable tax is not 0 or just barely the cost to guard security. A well governed secured country should charge more if they are safer.

Americans are squeamish. It's one or the other. Either you accept immigrant and treat them like your fellow citizen. Or you don't allow them in or kick them out for minor non violent violation.

The same with girls. You either fuck them for free, or marry them and pretty much make her your overlord.

Often somewhere between solution is great.

Look at Dubai. Most of its citizen can sponsor 4 immigrants. The immigrants have to indirectly pay each sponsorship $250 a month I think. So each Dubai citizens earn $1k per month.

Obviously it benefits Dubai citizens. They don't have to do any low pay work again. They can use the money to do things that make more money. Win win. Dubai, a relatively free market country, can pay workers more than pay rate in India. Citizen in Dubai are profited by direct cash.

What will happen if more countries are like Dubai?

It will give incentive for all citizens in all countries in all world to allow immigrants as long as they pay. It will also give incentive for all citizens to embrace whatever works, and that would be free market btw, so that their country prosper.

When their country prosper, immigrants would want to come to your country and they would do so even if they have to pay. Citizens that collectively vote free market should get benefit relative to citizens that benefit other countries.

Then every countries in the world will have citizenship valuation. Goals of good CEO/president is then simply increasing the value of citizenship valuation.

Many countries reject jews during WW2. Some countries allow small jewish immigrant. Well, what about if some countries actually demand payment from jews to immigrate there?

Sound harsh. But hey, the jews most likely can pay.

And when those countries are benefited by jewish industrialism and jewish money, other countries will follow. Every countries will want more jews coming in. Tax on jewish immigrant will low and number of jews that die on Nazi would have been far less.

The moment to help jews are over. Now they can help themselves.

But we can still help women in arab countries and cheap workers in asians.

Just import those women as mistresses to richer countries. Give them better fuck deals. It'll work.

Basically libertarianism shouldn't be done out of morality. It shouldn't just be a value by itself. People that give us freedom will have to have strong incentives to do so.

I read the news that some cities have a large groups of Homeless Pot head panhandling on the streets and making nice cities very unwelcoming to the tourist trade.

Recent article cited Durango, CO as suffering from the homeless potheads problem ... tourist dollars are down significantly.

Not a whole lot different than Haight and Ashbury in the sixties. Hippies everywhere. It will settle down.

 

[grbb]

As a libertarian, one of the thing I hated most is redistribution of wealth. That being said, a moderate and fair redistribution of wealth can be the easiest and cheapest way for libertarians to persuade their fellow citizens to be more libertarians on other ways.

For example. Citizen a live on welfare. Oh ya, let me replace your welfare check with smaller citizen dividend. Would they like it? Probably. Why? Because they escape welfare trap. They can earn money and still get that welfare check.

Citizen b says they want to prohibit drugs. It cause bad stuff for economy. You know what, tax drug and give every citizen money. Tada see how they think after that.

I think unlike libertarianism I now see things from practical perspective. What's a good ideology? Won't be far from libertarianism. Just try things out. See what's working. See what makes GDP grow. See what makes people want to immigrate to your country. That's awesome ideology.

Keep that up and they're going to start accusing you of being conservative.

Conservative isn't that bad right now.

They have stupid marriage laws, just don't get married.

They oppose abortion. Well, libertarian are divided. Opposing abortion is not necessarily wrong from libertarian points of few.

They want to close borders from immigrants. Libertarians are divided too. But here is what I think. Why not reward citizens in a country that govern better than yours. Surely american citizen deserve more than indonesian citizen that just jail their best governor.