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Really? Yeah when people are so impoverished they can't afford a car, or even electricity.... Carbon emissions are somewhat lower.... What a shock.....
But that could explain this graph:
Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"
Here is a better view of that supposedly " crumbling" effect you associate with Cuba. I don't see many crumbs here!
In a country with a massive housing shortage, buildings have been left to decay so badly, right in the middle of Havana, that TREES are growing out of the building.
DId you notice how clean the streets in those pictures ar?. Even among dilapidation and flaking decor, cleanliness is evidence that the minds of the people living there are not corrupted by drugs and indifference. That signifies community pride.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.
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Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"
Congrats... you are officially a moron.
I didnt say it is great. Nothing is great for human kind. They are bunch of greedy mfs...
I am talking "relatively", believe it or not, Cuba aint that bad after all....
Oh good heavens...... You can not possibly be serious.
You must be joking. You have to be. Tell me this is a joke? Right? lol....
First off, you are comparing Cuba to Venezuela, which is another socialist hell hole, and Bolivia, which is only marginally better.
Let's look at the list of stats used to claim "it's not all that bad".
Environmental Sustainability....... Really? Yeah when people are so impoverished they can't afford a car, or even electricity.... Carbon emissions are somewhat lower.... What a shock.....
Mobile Phone and Communication...... 22 per 100 people. Which has risen ever so slightly since the Communist government made it legal to own a cell phone.
Human Security..... We already covered this. Cuba is a police state. Pretty easy to lower crime in a dictatorship run police state. This isn't shocking.
Poverty.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are good, when you don't even give out poverty figures.
Inequality.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are equal, when you don't give out equality numbers. By the way, did you see the Castro body guard that wrote a book on how Castro lived a life of luxury on his own private island? Bet the luxury life of Communist officials wouldn't be calculated in that "equality index" huh?
Gender Index..... yeah gender equality is important, when everyone is equally poor and impoverished. Especially since the defacto way that women earn money is by being prostitutes. There's gender equality for you.
Trade.... Now that's funny. Trade is almost half the entire economy. What a shock given they have to import nearly everything.
Income.... Now this one is fascinating. You'll notice that they used GNI. Gross National Income. That's interesting, because in the US, and other first world countries, we tend to use GDP. Why Gross National Income?
The calculation for GDP, subtracts imported goods. GNI does not subtract imported goods.
The calculation for GNI, adds the taxes paid on imported goods. GDP does not add taxes paid on imported goods.
How nifty they found a way to make their country look better. And it's also humorous because they calculated 'per capita'. But tell me... where does that value go? In Cuba, the value of exported Sugar, and the value of tourism income.... doesn't go to the public. No no..... it goes to the government. So while the "per capita" income looks to be higher than Bolivia... in reality the "capita" of Bolivia is actually getting that money. The "capita" of Cuba, is getting virtually nothing. $15 a month is the average wage.
Health.... Again, we've covered this. Doctors in Cuba specifically do not report patient deaths, because doing so could lose them their jobs. We know this from numerous doctors who have defected to other countries, including Bolivia and other latin countries and the US, and they have said as much. Those numbers are simply lies.
Education.... All true... and who cares? Education for educations sake, is pointless and irrelevant. There are no jobs in Cuba for an engineer. So getting a degree in engineering, is pointless. There is a documentary called "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution". In this documentary, one of the people they interviewed was a guy going to university in Cuba. He was getting a degree, so that he could get a job..... as a waiter. Yes.... as a waiter. A university degree, to get a job as a waiter at the resorts.
You need a degree to get a really high end, high pay job in Cuba.... as a waiter.
Watch the documentary yourself on youtube if you want. I won't post the video here, because this response is long enough. Just punch in "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution" in youtube. It will come up.
Now tell me, who gives a crap how much education there is in Cuba, when the best you can hope for is a job as a waiter? Yay, free education! Go Bernie! If can just get Bernie to adopt Socialism and free education like Cuba.... You too can get your degree, so you can work as a waiter!
Bottom line..... That picture and all it's stats, and the "Cuba isn't so bad".... all of that is crap. Total BS.
What is all this fuzz??
This is comparison of 3 similar countries in United Nations Human Development Index.
We are aware western countries are all great and magnificent and strong and powerful and rich and this and that and all the other bullshit you care sooo much about.
But; comparing to other similar countries (despite Cuba being the only one crushed under embargo) Cuba, relatively speaking(seems like you don't know the meaning but, here ya go), is in a pretty good shape by themselves.
If there was no embargo, they probably would have been in a much better shape.
The real test is up coming for them however. We shall see.....
Lastly, life expectancy is inherently skewed for a number of reasons.
I am not interested in anything except the numbers. Life expectancy isn't skewed, it is what it is for whatever the reason. If you are less likely to die in an automobile accident in Cuba...well, that is just one more factor that makes living in the USA more dangerous, than living in Cuba. Here is a chart that shows Cuban life expectancy:
Latin America’s Demographic Divergence | Newgeography.com
Dayum, Cubans live longer than those Americans represented on YOUR chart.
This graph speaks louder than your words and your incessant propaganda!
Cuba is helping to fight imperialists, by manning tanks in support of al-Assad who used chemical weapons on his own people.
With the blessings of Donald Trump, I might add! Those are Russian tanks.
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When you remove injuries, the US has one of the highest, if not the highest life expectancy in the world. The keys are murder, and auto fatalities.
Unlike you, I don't rule causes of death out. ALL causes are to be considered not just those you want to handpick! But since you are so dense, I'll elaborate on the healthcare side once again/,..ready chump? Here ya go:
The number of US deaths attributed to medical error is also staggering. 90,000+ people die every year from medical error in this country. Adding that 45,000 uninsured deaths figure makes a whopping 135,000 poor souls lost in this country every year. I haven't heard that Cubans are experiencing a similar mortality rate due to medical error, not even proportionally.
DId you notice how clean the streets in those pictures ar?. Even among dilapidation and flaking decor, cleanliness is evidence that the minds of the people living there are not corrupted by drugs and indifference. That signifies community pride.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.
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Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"
Congrats... you are officially a moron.
I didnt say it is great. Nothing is great for human kind. They are bunch of greedy mfs...
I am talking "relatively", believe it or not, Cuba aint that bad after all....
Oh good heavens...... You can not possibly be serious.
You must be joking. You have to be. Tell me this is a joke? Right? lol....
First off, you are comparing Cuba to Venezuela, which is another socialist hell hole, and Bolivia, which is only marginally better.
Let's look at the list of stats used to claim "it's not all that bad".
Environmental Sustainability....... Really? Yeah when people are so impoverished they can't afford a car, or even electricity.... Carbon emissions are somewhat lower.... What a shock.....
Mobile Phone and Communication...... 22 per 100 people. Which has risen ever so slightly since the Communist government made it legal to own a cell phone.
Human Security..... We already covered this. Cuba is a police state. Pretty easy to lower crime in a dictatorship run police state. This isn't shocking.
Poverty.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are good, when you don't even give out poverty figures.
Inequality.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are equal, when you don't give out equality numbers. By the way, did you see the Castro body guard that wrote a book on how Castro lived a life of luxury on his own private island? Bet the luxury life of Communist officials wouldn't be calculated in that "equality index" huh?
Gender Index..... yeah gender equality is important, when everyone is equally poor and impoverished. Especially since the defacto way that women earn money is by being prostitutes. There's gender equality for you.
Trade.... Now that's funny. Trade is almost half the entire economy. What a shock given they have to import nearly everything.
Income.... Now this one is fascinating. You'll notice that they used GNI. Gross National Income. That's interesting, because in the US, and other first world countries, we tend to use GDP. Why Gross National Income?
The calculation for GDP, subtracts imported goods. GNI does not subtract imported goods.
The calculation for GNI, adds the taxes paid on imported goods. GDP does not add taxes paid on imported goods.
How nifty they found a way to make their country look better. And it's also humorous because they calculated 'per capita'. But tell me... where does that value go? In Cuba, the value of exported Sugar, and the value of tourism income.... doesn't go to the public. No no..... it goes to the government. So while the "per capita" income looks to be higher than Bolivia... in reality the "capita" of Bolivia is actually getting that money. The "capita" of Cuba, is getting virtually nothing. $15 a month is the average wage.
Health.... Again, we've covered this. Doctors in Cuba specifically do not report patient deaths, because doing so could lose them their jobs. We know this from numerous doctors who have defected to other countries, including Bolivia and other latin countries and the US, and they have said as much. Those numbers are simply lies.
Education.... All true... and who cares? Education for educations sake, is pointless and irrelevant. There are no jobs in Cuba for an engineer. So getting a degree in engineering, is pointless. There is a documentary called "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution". In this documentary, one of the people they interviewed was a guy going to university in Cuba. He was getting a degree, so that he could get a job..... as a waiter. Yes.... as a waiter. A university degree, to get a job as a waiter at the resorts.
You need a degree to get a really high end, high pay job in Cuba.... as a waiter.
Watch the documentary yourself on youtube if you want. I won't post the video here, because this response is long enough. Just punch in "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution" in youtube. It will come up.
Now tell me, who gives a crap how much education there is in Cuba, when the best you can hope for is a job as a waiter? Yay, free education! Go Bernie! If can just get Bernie to adopt Socialism and free education like Cuba.... You too can get your degree, so you can work as a waiter!
Bottom line..... That picture and all it's stats, and the "Cuba isn't so bad".... all of that is crap. Total BS.
What is all this fuzz??
This is comparison of 3 similar countries in United Nations Human Development Index.
We are aware western countries are all great and magnificent and strong and powerful and rich and this and that and all the other bullshit you care sooo much about.
But; comparing to other similar countries (despite Cuba being the only one crushed under embargo) Cuba, relatively speaking(seems like you don't know the meaning but, here ya go), is in a pretty good shape by themselves.
If there was no embargo, they probably would have been in a much better shape.
The real test is up coming for them however. We shall see.....
You compared Cuba to Bolivia and Venezuela. Both of which are socialist hell holes. Yes, if you compare my trash can, to a dumpster, and a land fill, the trash can sure seems like it's "on par". Compare Cuba to Chile, or Brazil.
Moreover, it's funny how there is always some ignorant moron, trying to tell me that Cuba isn't so bad, when the fact is, people defect from Cuba ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE FLEEING FROM CUBA CONSTANTLY. All your BS and propaganda, doesn't change the fact the Cuba has to place ARMED GUARDS around their doctors missions, to keep the doctors from running away and defecting. These doctors are paying off offices, upwards of THOUSANDS of dollars, to escape from Cuba.
When you have to place guards around your citizens, to keep them from leaving..... hello idiot! Your BS crap isn't true. Apparently it isn't "not all that bad", or you wouldn't need to prevent people from leaving.
Again, I answered everything in your post. You have ignored all of my responses, indicating you can't answer them.
They are not in pretty good shape. Not even close. Moreover, Cuba is not "crushed under embargo". Already proved conclusively that Cuba has more trade, than they do GDP. They actually import more goods, than the entire country produces in a year.
The embargo doesn't stop Cuba from trading with literally everyone... but us. Funny how we have Tommy's post over there worried that trading with Cuba, will allow "western countries to rape Cuba", and here you are telling me, it's because of us not trading with Cuba (even though everyone else is), that has crushed Cuba.
You people can't even figure out your own positions.
This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.
The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.
No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.
So you are saying that you support al-Assad. You are an evil person.
Yes, and if we simply adopt a police state, and simply execute criminals, and toss everyone in prison, we can have a higher life expectancy like Cuba.
Addressing that conservative estimate of 90,000 deaths by medical error per year in the USA would be a better focus of time and effort.And if we simply adopt socialism, and have everyone working for $15 a month, we too can eliminate automobiles from the public, and without auto fatalities, we too can have a higher life expectancy like Cuba.
And if we force doctors to falsify death records (because that is what Cuba does), we too can have better statistics that are lies
If you are saying, you want us to have a higher life expectancy like Cuba, then you are saying you want people impoverished, under a police state, and false statistics.
You are an idiot if you want that. By all means, go live in Cuba. It'll be great having a higher life expectancy, while stuck in misery and impoverishment. The rest of us, don't want the crap you are spewing. No intelligent person would.
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard while talking about Cuba.
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Leftard: "Other than the ruination, crumbling housing, and object poverty..... HEY THE STREET IS CLEAN! SOCIALISM IS GREAT!"
Congrats... you are officially a moron.
I didnt say it is great. Nothing is great for human kind. They are bunch of greedy mfs...
I am talking "relatively", believe it or not, Cuba aint that bad after all....
Oh good heavens...... You can not possibly be serious.
You must be joking. You have to be. Tell me this is a joke? Right? lol....
First off, you are comparing Cuba to Venezuela, which is another socialist hell hole, and Bolivia, which is only marginally better.
Let's look at the list of stats used to claim "it's not all that bad".
Environmental Sustainability....... Really? Yeah when people are so impoverished they can't afford a car, or even electricity.... Carbon emissions are somewhat lower.... What a shock.....
Mobile Phone and Communication...... 22 per 100 people. Which has risen ever so slightly since the Communist government made it legal to own a cell phone.
Human Security..... We already covered this. Cuba is a police state. Pretty easy to lower crime in a dictatorship run police state. This isn't shocking.
Poverty.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are good, when you don't even give out poverty figures.
Inequality.... Not Available.... Pretty easy to claim things are equal, when you don't give out equality numbers. By the way, did you see the Castro body guard that wrote a book on how Castro lived a life of luxury on his own private island? Bet the luxury life of Communist officials wouldn't be calculated in that "equality index" huh?
Gender Index..... yeah gender equality is important, when everyone is equally poor and impoverished. Especially since the defacto way that women earn money is by being prostitutes. There's gender equality for you.
Trade.... Now that's funny. Trade is almost half the entire economy. What a shock given they have to import nearly everything.
Income.... Now this one is fascinating. You'll notice that they used GNI. Gross National Income. That's interesting, because in the US, and other first world countries, we tend to use GDP. Why Gross National Income?
The calculation for GDP, subtracts imported goods. GNI does not subtract imported goods.
The calculation for GNI, adds the taxes paid on imported goods. GDP does not add taxes paid on imported goods.
How nifty they found a way to make their country look better. And it's also humorous because they calculated 'per capita'. But tell me... where does that value go? In Cuba, the value of exported Sugar, and the value of tourism income.... doesn't go to the public. No no..... it goes to the government. So while the "per capita" income looks to be higher than Bolivia... in reality the "capita" of Bolivia is actually getting that money. The "capita" of Cuba, is getting virtually nothing. $15 a month is the average wage.
Health.... Again, we've covered this. Doctors in Cuba specifically do not report patient deaths, because doing so could lose them their jobs. We know this from numerous doctors who have defected to other countries, including Bolivia and other latin countries and the US, and they have said as much. Those numbers are simply lies.
Education.... All true... and who cares? Education for educations sake, is pointless and irrelevant. There are no jobs in Cuba for an engineer. So getting a degree in engineering, is pointless. There is a documentary called "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution". In this documentary, one of the people they interviewed was a guy going to university in Cuba. He was getting a degree, so that he could get a job..... as a waiter. Yes.... as a waiter. A university degree, to get a job as a waiter at the resorts.
You need a degree to get a really high end, high pay job in Cuba.... as a waiter.
Watch the documentary yourself on youtube if you want. I won't post the video here, because this response is long enough. Just punch in "Cuba: Waiting for a Revolution" in youtube. It will come up.
Now tell me, who gives a crap how much education there is in Cuba, when the best you can hope for is a job as a waiter? Yay, free education! Go Bernie! If can just get Bernie to adopt Socialism and free education like Cuba.... You too can get your degree, so you can work as a waiter!
Bottom line..... That picture and all it's stats, and the "Cuba isn't so bad".... all of that is crap. Total BS.
What is all this fuzz??
This is comparison of 3 similar countries in United Nations Human Development Index.
We are aware western countries are all great and magnificent and strong and powerful and rich and this and that and all the other bullshit you care sooo much about.
But; comparing to other similar countries (despite Cuba being the only one crushed under embargo) Cuba, relatively speaking(seems like you don't know the meaning but, here ya go), is in a pretty good shape by themselves.
If there was no embargo, they probably would have been in a much better shape.
The real test is up coming for them however. We shall see.....
You compared Cuba to Bolivia and Venezuela. Both of which are socialist hell holes. Yes, if you compare my trash can, to a dumpster, and a land fill, the trash can sure seems like it's "on par". Compare Cuba to Chile, or Brazil.
Moreover, it's funny how there is always some ignorant moron, trying to tell me that Cuba isn't so bad, when the fact is, people defect from Cuba ALL THE TIME. PEOPLE FLEEING FROM CUBA CONSTANTLY. All your BS and propaganda, doesn't change the fact the Cuba has to place ARMED GUARDS around their doctors missions, to keep the doctors from running away and defecting. These doctors are paying off offices, upwards of THOUSANDS of dollars, to escape from Cuba.
When you have to place guards around your citizens, to keep them from leaving..... hello idiot! Your BS crap isn't true. Apparently it isn't "not all that bad", or you wouldn't need to prevent people from leaving.
Again, I answered everything in your post. You have ignored all of my responses, indicating you can't answer them.
They are not in pretty good shape. Not even close. Moreover, Cuba is not "crushed under embargo". Already proved conclusively that Cuba has more trade, than they do GDP. They actually import more goods, than the entire country produces in a year.
The embargo doesn't stop Cuba from trading with literally everyone... but us. Funny how we have Tommy's post over there worried that trading with Cuba, will allow "western countries to rape Cuba", and here you are telling me, it's because of us not trading with Cuba (even though everyone else is), that has crushed Cuba.
You people can't even figure out your own positions.
Venezuela was a pretty capitalist country at some point, as well as Bolivia.
You don't get the point.
Regardless of what they are, we are comparing where they have ended up. And we can see, even tho she has been crumbling under the embargo, Cuba is not too bad, (again) relatively speaking.
The reason you have Cubans flowing into US, is because US has a law in place that provides asylum status to Cuban people. I don't have to prove what would happen if same law was applied for Mexico, or Venezuela, or Bolivia.
I don't think you are able to see the big picture here. You are living in a pink fairy tale bubble. You are not able to see the struggles of people from around the world.
If you had the chance one day, and got outside your comfy bubble, and go around the world, you could understand why Cuba is not so bad after all............
This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.
More projections of what you wish I said. Loyal Cubans wouldn't be among those boat people you show...if indeed they are Cubans at all! Also, you defined every word but the key one: loyal. I understand why you didn't.
The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.
You mean the criminals Castro got rid of when he had the chance? Well, a lot of them got through. It is those same criminals who are continuing their anti-social behavior here. Some have also contributed to the very propaganda that you love to spew so much.
No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.
If you understood what I was saying you are disingenuous. Here is what I said again:
"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."
Your interpretation centers on the belief that I was talking about Cubans being marginalized. That wasn't the thrust of my premise at all. Any person with a modicum of comprehension can see that. The paragraph was meant to explain the courage and sacrifice 'LOYAL" Cubans were making by providing doctors, medical training and soldiers to all the corners of the globe to help other nations in dire straits. You read that and went off on a completely unrelated tangent like some blathering fool!
I thought it was going to be Ted Cruz' dadCuba: Why I Defend Socialism
"I am a Cuban who has lived for 76 years, therefore I know full well how life was before the revolution, having experienced it directly and indirectly.
As a result, it hurts me to read so many aspersions cast upon a government that fights tooth and nail to provide us a better life. If it hasn’t fully been able to do so, this is because of the many obstacles that have been put in its way."
Writer compares Cuba to Bolivia and Venezuela, and I think these examples could be extended by others, which Cuba is doing fairly well against. Especially considering the fact that; Cuba was blockaded by the Super Power of this planet for long and lacked the natural resources.
Tough job, good work, imo....
This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.
More projections of what you wish I said. Loyal Cubans wouldn't be among those boat people you show...if indeed they are Cubans at all! Also, you defined every word but the key one: loyal. I understand why you didn't.
The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.
You mean the criminals Castro got rid of when he had the chance? Well, a lot of them got through. It is those same criminals who are continuing their anti-social behavior here. Some have also contributed to the very propaganda that you love to spew so much.
No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.
If you understood what I was saying you are disingenuous. Here is what I said again:
"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."
Your interpretation centers on the belief that I was talking about Cubans being marginalized. That wasn't the thrust of my premise at all. Any person with a modicum of comprehension can see that. The paragraph was meant to explain the courage and sacrifice 'LOYAL" Cubans were making by providing doctors, medical training and soldiers to all the corners of the globe to help other nations in dire straits. You read that and went off on a completely unrelated tangent like some blathering fool!
You create your own projections, and then whine about others doing what you have done for a dozen posts. Now you are a Hypocritical Ignorant fool.
Really... a 10-year-old boy, whose mother died in the waters of the gulf, was a criminal Castro got rid of. You are an idiot.
Soldiers to help a mass murderer, who used chemical weapons on his own people? That's courage and sacrifice in your idiotic world?
Doctors who have to be imprisoned by guards to keep them from defecting? That's courage and sacrifice in your moronically stupid ideology?
You are an idiot. Purse and simple. Given endless amounts of evidence, your only real response is "Lalalalala I can't learn anything that doesn't fit my foolish belief system! Lalalalala!"
You are too dumb to even admit you were wrong.
This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.
More projections of what you wish I said. Loyal Cubans wouldn't be among those boat people you show...if indeed they are Cubans at all! Also, you defined every word but the key one: loyal. I understand why you didn't.
The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.
You mean the criminals Castro got rid of when he had the chance? Well, a lot of them got through. It is those same criminals who are continuing their anti-social behavior here. Some have also contributed to the very propaganda that you love to spew so much.
No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.
If you understood what I was saying you are disingenuous. Here is what I said again:
"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."
Your interpretation centers on the belief that I was talking about Cubans being marginalized. That wasn't the thrust of my premise at all. Any person with a modicum of comprehension can see that. The paragraph was meant to explain the courage and sacrifice 'LOYAL" Cubans were making by providing doctors, medical training and soldiers to all the corners of the globe to help other nations in dire straits. You read that and went off on a completely unrelated tangent like some blathering fool!
You create your own projections, and then whine about others doing what you have done for a dozen posts. Now you are a Hypocritical Ignorant fool.
Really... a 10-year-old boy, whose mother died in the waters of the gulf, was a criminal Castro got rid of. You are an idiot.
Soldiers to help a mass murderer, who used chemical weapons on his own people? That's courage and sacrifice in your idiotic world?
Doctors who have to be imprisoned by guards to keep them from defecting? That's courage and sacrifice in your moronically stupid ideology?
You are an idiot. Purse and simple. Given endless amounts of evidence, your only real response is "Lalalalala I can't learn anything that doesn't fit my foolish belief system! Lalalalala!"
You are too dumb to even admit you were wrong.
Anyone can scan the Internet to find bits and pieces of bad information to denigrate ANY country, including America. Uncle Sam has as much innocent blood on his hands as any other national eponymous figure. My advice to you is to pull your nose out of all the "conservative" rags you have been reading and try to be more objective. The entire world has some input here, not just America and the right wing enemies of Cuba and the enemies of anyone who isn't a RW nutcase.
I have made my case and the more in-depth I make it, the more hostile and belligerent you become. Stop and think for a moment. Many of the world's leaders do NOT hold the slanted views you have of Cuba. The bigger picture is that Cuba is a godsend for millions of underserved and developing nations. That overrides any talk of Castro being a tyrannical dictator who cares naught for humanity.
If the Cuban revolution has caused some collateral damage, it pales by comparison to that caused by the USA and Europe.
I won't even attempt to say that I think Cuba is an Island Shan-gri- la. Some of the allegations you make could be true. But i don't see world opinion turning against Castro and he has not been indicted by the World Court for committing crimes against humanity. That doesn't jibe with your premises!
Yes, there are Cubans who are seduced through the airwaves by anti- Castro propaganda beamed from various sites in the USA, to include a specially equipped airplane that circles the island. Congress sanctioned that! Although the broadcasts are jammed by Cuban defense systems enough get through to encourage some to embark across the sea. It should be noted, however, that relatively few are willing to take that risk. Others wouldn't even think of it because they love their country!
As a footnote I ask you to consider the impact Cuba has made on diplomacy around the world...here is a map of Cuban diplomatic missions...it is astounding for such a small nation but the reality of it proves how admired Cuba is around the world:
Blue indicates places where Cuban diplomatic missions are.
You can call me names but wouldn't all that pent up anger be more productive by engaging me in an objective investigation of ALL of the facts? Don't waste your time getting stressed out, it accomplishes nothing!
You have turned your input in this exchange into a puerile temper tantrum . Ad hominem dribble drips from your lips like froth from the mouth of a mad dog. That observance prompts me to just bow out. You have nothing constructive to add so there is no purpose for me to engage you further.This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.
More projections of what you wish I said. Loyal Cubans wouldn't be among those boat people you show...if indeed they are Cubans at all! Also, you defined every word but the key one: loyal. I understand why you didn't.
The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.
You mean the criminals Castro got rid of when he had the chance? Well, a lot of them got through. It is those same criminals who are continuing their anti-social behavior here. Some have also contributed to the very propaganda that you love to spew so much.
No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.
If you understood what I was saying you are disingenuous. Here is what I said again:
"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."
Your interpretation centers on the belief that I was talking about Cubans being marginalized. That wasn't the thrust of my premise at all. Any person with a modicum of comprehension can see that. The paragraph was meant to explain the courage and sacrifice 'LOYAL" Cubans were making by providing doctors, medical training and soldiers to all the corners of the globe to help other nations in dire straits. You read that and went off on a completely unrelated tangent like some blathering fool!
You create your own projections, and then whine about others doing what you have done for a dozen posts. Now you are a Hypocritical Ignorant fool.
Really... a 10-year-old boy, whose mother died in the waters of the gulf, was a criminal Castro got rid of. You are an idiot.
Soldiers to help a mass murderer, who used chemical weapons on his own people? That's courage and sacrifice in your idiotic world?
Doctors who have to be imprisoned by guards to keep them from defecting? That's courage and sacrifice in your moronically stupid ideology?
You are an idiot. Purse and simple. Given endless amounts of evidence, your only real response is "Lalalalala I can't learn anything that doesn't fit my foolish belief system! Lalalalala!"
You are too dumb to even admit you were wrong.
Anyone can scan the Internet to find bits and pieces of bad information to denigrate ANY country, including America. Uncle Sam has as much innocent blood on his hands as any other national eponymous figure. My advice to you is to pull your nose out of all the "conservative" rags you have been reading and try to be more objective. The entire world has some input here, not just America and the right wing enemies of Cuba and the enemies of anyone who isn't a RW nutcase.
I have made my case and the more in-depth I make it, the more hostile and belligerent you become. Stop and think for a moment. Many of the world's leaders do NOT hold the slanted views you have of Cuba. The bigger picture is that Cuba is a godsend for millions of underserved and developing nations. That overrides any talk of Castro being a tyrannical dictator who cares naught for humanity.
If the Cuban revolution has caused some collateral damage, it pales by comparison to that caused by the USA and Europe.
I won't even attempt to say that I think Cuba is an Island Shan-gri- la. Some of the allegations you make could be true. But i don't see world opinion turning against Castro and he has not been indicted by the World Court for committing crimes against humanity. That doesn't jibe with your premises!
Yes, there are Cubans who are seduced through the airwaves by anti- Castro propaganda beamed from various sites in the USA, to include a specially equipped airplane that circles the island. Congress sanctioned that! Although the broadcasts are jammed by Cuban defense systems enough get through to encourage some to embark across the sea. It should be noted, however, that relatively few are willing to take that risk. Others wouldn't even think of it because they love their country!
As a footnote I ask you to consider the impact Cuba has made on diplomacy around the world...here is a map of Cuban diplomatic missions...it is astounding for such a small nation but the reality of it proves how admired Cuba is around the world:
Blue indicates places where Cuban diplomatic missions are.
You can call me names but wouldn't all that pent up anger be more productive by engaging me in an objective investigation of ALL of the facts? Don't waste your time getting stressed out, it accomplishes nothing!
I'm not stressed about anything. At best you are a hilarious delusional joke. How can I possibly be stressed, when I've spent that last dozens posts mocking your ignorance and stupidity?
You can't deny, or even argue about the information I've posted. You can't contradict a single facts I've given. You can't even admit you were wrong, when I posted information directly contradicting your claims.
Why would I be stressed, because YOU are a brainless arrogant, uninformed idiot? The only one who even should be stressed is you, but you are too dumb to even be stressed by your own ignorance. If I met someone who knew twice as much as I did about a particular topic, and proved me wrong repeatedly, I would be stressed, to learn enough so that I would no longer come across as a moronic fool.
You apparently are so much like Forest Gump, that you are not even stressed by your own stupidity.
This entire thread is a shrine of your ignorance, and you are arrogant about it.
Then you want to put emphasis the "The world opinion".... blaw blaw blaw? Who the heck cares about world opinion? People are living on $15 a month, and you think "world opinion" is even remotely important compared to that fact? Opinion is more important than fact, in your left-wing socialist hell?
You are an idiot. This thread is the shrine to your idiocy. Bow to your stupidity moron. Keep going. Make yourself less credible with every post. Keep going dude! Dig your socialist hell hole, and bury yourself in it.
You have turned your input in this exchange into a puerile temper tantrum . Ad hominem dribble drips from your lips like froth from the mouth of a mad dog. That observance prompts me to just bow out. You have nothing constructive to add so there is no purpose for me to engage you further.This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.
More projections of what you wish I said. Loyal Cubans wouldn't be among those boat people you show...if indeed they are Cubans at all! Also, you defined every word but the key one: loyal. I understand why you didn't.
The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.
You mean the criminals Castro got rid of when he had the chance? Well, a lot of them got through. It is those same criminals who are continuing their anti-social behavior here. Some have also contributed to the very propaganda that you love to spew so much.
No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.
If you understood what I was saying you are disingenuous. Here is what I said again:
"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."
Your interpretation centers on the belief that I was talking about Cubans being marginalized. That wasn't the thrust of my premise at all. Any person with a modicum of comprehension can see that. The paragraph was meant to explain the courage and sacrifice 'LOYAL" Cubans were making by providing doctors, medical training and soldiers to all the corners of the globe to help other nations in dire straits. You read that and went off on a completely unrelated tangent like some blathering fool!
You create your own projections, and then whine about others doing what you have done for a dozen posts. Now you are a Hypocritical Ignorant fool.
Really... a 10-year-old boy, whose mother died in the waters of the gulf, was a criminal Castro got rid of. You are an idiot.
Soldiers to help a mass murderer, who used chemical weapons on his own people? That's courage and sacrifice in your idiotic world?
Doctors who have to be imprisoned by guards to keep them from defecting? That's courage and sacrifice in your moronically stupid ideology?
You are an idiot. Purse and simple. Given endless amounts of evidence, your only real response is "Lalalalala I can't learn anything that doesn't fit my foolish belief system! Lalalalala!"
You are too dumb to even admit you were wrong.
Anyone can scan the Internet to find bits and pieces of bad information to denigrate ANY country, including America. Uncle Sam has as much innocent blood on his hands as any other national eponymous figure. My advice to you is to pull your nose out of all the "conservative" rags you have been reading and try to be more objective. The entire world has some input here, not just America and the right wing enemies of Cuba and the enemies of anyone who isn't a RW nutcase.
I have made my case and the more in-depth I make it, the more hostile and belligerent you become. Stop and think for a moment. Many of the world's leaders do NOT hold the slanted views you have of Cuba. The bigger picture is that Cuba is a godsend for millions of underserved and developing nations. That overrides any talk of Castro being a tyrannical dictator who cares naught for humanity.
If the Cuban revolution has caused some collateral damage, it pales by comparison to that caused by the USA and Europe.
I won't even attempt to say that I think Cuba is an Island Shan-gri- la. Some of the allegations you make could be true. But i don't see world opinion turning against Castro and he has not been indicted by the World Court for committing crimes against humanity. That doesn't jibe with your premises!
Yes, there are Cubans who are seduced through the airwaves by anti- Castro propaganda beamed from various sites in the USA, to include a specially equipped airplane that circles the island. Congress sanctioned that! Although the broadcasts are jammed by Cuban defense systems enough get through to encourage some to embark across the sea. It should be noted, however, that relatively few are willing to take that risk. Others wouldn't even think of it because they love their country!
As a footnote I ask you to consider the impact Cuba has made on diplomacy around the world...here is a map of Cuban diplomatic missions...it is astounding for such a small nation but the reality of it proves how admired Cuba is around the world:
Blue indicates places where Cuban diplomatic missions are.
You can call me names but wouldn't all that pent up anger be more productive by engaging me in an objective investigation of ALL of the facts? Don't waste your time getting stressed out, it accomplishes nothing!
I'm not stressed about anything. At best you are a hilarious delusional joke. How can I possibly be stressed, when I've spent that last dozens posts mocking your ignorance and stupidity?
You can't deny, or even argue about the information I've posted. You can't contradict a single facts I've given. You can't even admit you were wrong, when I posted information directly contradicting your claims.
Why would I be stressed, because YOU are a brainless arrogant, uninformed idiot? The only one who even should be stressed is you, but you are too dumb to even be stressed by your own ignorance. If I met someone who knew twice as much as I did about a particular topic, and proved me wrong repeatedly, I would be stressed, to learn enough so that I would no longer come across as a moronic fool.
You apparently are so much like Forest Gump, that you are not even stressed by your own stupidity.
This entire thread is a shrine of your ignorance, and you are arrogant about it.
Then you want to put emphasis the "The world opinion".... blaw blaw blaw? Who the heck cares about world opinion? People are living on $15 a month, and you think "world opinion" is even remotely important compared to that fact? Opinion is more important than fact, in your left-wing socialist hell?
You are an idiot. This thread is the shrine to your idiocy. Bow to your stupidity moron. Keep going. Make yourself less credible with every post. Keep going dude! Dig your socialist hell hole, and bury yourself in it.
I will add that the points I made did not materialize out of thin air.
1. Cuba's ELAM is one of the greatest altruistic gestures on earth.
2.Castro has been consistent in his dedication to the health and well being of third world nations around the world. to include helping to end apartheid in South Africa.
3. I guess, according to you, the Pope, Pierre Trudeau, Mandela and me were/are idiots for admiring what Castro has done for countless third world entities and for his own people.
Lastly, I must confess, that reports of torture and other human right's violations are disturbing to me. If true, I wouldn't condone any of that. Yet, in light of all the USA has done to topple Castro's regime, I am skeptical about any negative reports coming from the USA pertaining to Cuba. You and I both can only judge the extent of Cuba's human right's issues through the eyes of refugees, by actually going there or news media. I took it a step further when I understood that if Castro's "crimes" were as atrocious as you make them to be, Cuba would not be a member of the UN and Castro would have been indicted by the World Court. Until THAT happens I guess I will continue to
give Cuba the benefit of the doubt. Good day...
You have turned your input in this exchange into a puerile temper tantrum . Ad hominem dribble drips from your lips like froth from the mouth of a mad dog. That observance prompts me to just bow out. You have nothing constructive to add so there is no purpose for me to engage you further.This is the courage of Cubans. To leave their country in rafts. Only to face Bill Clinton forcing them back to Cuba in some cases.
More projections of what you wish I said. Loyal Cubans wouldn't be among those boat people you show...if indeed they are Cubans at all! Also, you defined every word but the key one: loyal. I understand why you didn't.
The courage to face the storm troopers of a left-wing president, forcing people back to a left-wing dictator.
You mean the criminals Castro got rid of when he had the chance? Well, a lot of them got through. It is those same criminals who are continuing their anti-social behavior here. Some have also contributed to the very propaganda that you love to spew so much.
No I understood exactly what you said. What you said, was wrong.
If you understood what I was saying you are disingenuous. Here is what I said again:
"Yet, I understand the courage and sacrifice loyal Cubans exhibit to make those third world countries marginalized by Western civilization, a better place."
Your interpretation centers on the belief that I was talking about Cubans being marginalized. That wasn't the thrust of my premise at all. Any person with a modicum of comprehension can see that. The paragraph was meant to explain the courage and sacrifice 'LOYAL" Cubans were making by providing doctors, medical training and soldiers to all the corners of the globe to help other nations in dire straits. You read that and went off on a completely unrelated tangent like some blathering fool!
You create your own projections, and then whine about others doing what you have done for a dozen posts. Now you are a Hypocritical Ignorant fool.
Really... a 10-year-old boy, whose mother died in the waters of the gulf, was a criminal Castro got rid of. You are an idiot.
Soldiers to help a mass murderer, who used chemical weapons on his own people? That's courage and sacrifice in your idiotic world?
Doctors who have to be imprisoned by guards to keep them from defecting? That's courage and sacrifice in your moronically stupid ideology?
You are an idiot. Purse and simple. Given endless amounts of evidence, your only real response is "Lalalalala I can't learn anything that doesn't fit my foolish belief system! Lalalalala!"
You are too dumb to even admit you were wrong.
Anyone can scan the Internet to find bits and pieces of bad information to denigrate ANY country, including America. Uncle Sam has as much innocent blood on his hands as any other national eponymous figure. My advice to you is to pull your nose out of all the "conservative" rags you have been reading and try to be more objective. The entire world has some input here, not just America and the right wing enemies of Cuba and the enemies of anyone who isn't a RW nutcase.
I have made my case and the more in-depth I make it, the more hostile and belligerent you become. Stop and think for a moment. Many of the world's leaders do NOT hold the slanted views you have of Cuba. The bigger picture is that Cuba is a godsend for millions of underserved and developing nations. That overrides any talk of Castro being a tyrannical dictator who cares naught for humanity.
If the Cuban revolution has caused some collateral damage, it pales by comparison to that caused by the USA and Europe.
I won't even attempt to say that I think Cuba is an Island Shan-gri- la. Some of the allegations you make could be true. But i don't see world opinion turning against Castro and he has not been indicted by the World Court for committing crimes against humanity. That doesn't jibe with your premises!
Yes, there are Cubans who are seduced through the airwaves by anti- Castro propaganda beamed from various sites in the USA, to include a specially equipped airplane that circles the island. Congress sanctioned that! Although the broadcasts are jammed by Cuban defense systems enough get through to encourage some to embark across the sea. It should be noted, however, that relatively few are willing to take that risk. Others wouldn't even think of it because they love their country!
As a footnote I ask you to consider the impact Cuba has made on diplomacy around the world...here is a map of Cuban diplomatic missions...it is astounding for such a small nation but the reality of it proves how admired Cuba is around the world:
Blue indicates places where Cuban diplomatic missions are.
You can call me names but wouldn't all that pent up anger be more productive by engaging me in an objective investigation of ALL of the facts? Don't waste your time getting stressed out, it accomplishes nothing!
I'm not stressed about anything. At best you are a hilarious delusional joke. How can I possibly be stressed, when I've spent that last dozens posts mocking your ignorance and stupidity?
You can't deny, or even argue about the information I've posted. You can't contradict a single facts I've given. You can't even admit you were wrong, when I posted information directly contradicting your claims.
Why would I be stressed, because YOU are a brainless arrogant, uninformed idiot? The only one who even should be stressed is you, but you are too dumb to even be stressed by your own ignorance. If I met someone who knew twice as much as I did about a particular topic, and proved me wrong repeatedly, I would be stressed, to learn enough so that I would no longer come across as a moronic fool.
You apparently are so much like Forest Gump, that you are not even stressed by your own stupidity.
This entire thread is a shrine of your ignorance, and you are arrogant about it.
Then you want to put emphasis the "The world opinion".... blaw blaw blaw? Who the heck cares about world opinion? People are living on $15 a month, and you think "world opinion" is even remotely important compared to that fact? Opinion is more important than fact, in your left-wing socialist hell?
You are an idiot. This thread is the shrine to your idiocy. Bow to your stupidity moron. Keep going. Make yourself less credible with every post. Keep going dude! Dig your socialist hell hole, and bury yourself in it.
I will add that the points I made did not materialize out of thin air.
1. Cuba's ELAM is one of the greatest altruistic gestures on earth.
2.Castro has been consistent in his dedication to the health and well being of third world nations around the world. to include helping to end apartheid in South Africa.
3. I guess, according to you, the Pope, Pierre Trudeau, Mandela and me were/are idiots for admiring what Castro has done for countless third world entities and for his own people.
Lastly, I must confess, that reports of torture and other human right's violations are disturbing to me. If true, I wouldn't condone any of that. Yet, in light of all the USA has done to topple Castro's regime, I am skeptical about any negative reports coming from the USA pertaining to Cuba. You and I both can only judge the extent of Cuba's human right's issues through the eyes of refugees, by actually going there or news media. I took it a step further when I understood that if Castro's "crimes" were as atrocious as you make them to be, Cuba would not be a member of the UN and Castro would have been indicted by the World Court. Until THAT happens I guess I will continue to
give Cuba the benefit of the doubt. Good day...
Castro helped to end Apartheid in South Africa?
Castro helped to end Apartheid in South Africa?
You ask a question About Castro and then show a video depicting White poverty in the New South Africa .
What is the point you are trying to make?
