Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[thereisnospoon]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Romney Sucks.

Posting to one's self is equivalent to talking to one's self.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.
I disagree.

he is right about that. Why do you think governement housing is such a shitpile? They dont care, but it's owned by all, correct? People who own their own homes take better care of it, just ask apartment managers, people who rent fuck shit up all the time and dont give a rat's ass....why is that you ask....they dont own it. People care about their own children alittle more than everyone elses...why is that....because it's THEIR children.....I hope you are connecting the dots. But it is obvious you have never owned a buisness or anything of value, becuase you care alot more about it when it's yours.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Romney Sucks.

But compared to Obama, he's a jewel...

 

[grunt11b]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

That's the problems with liberals, they argue with feelings instead of facts.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

Yes, because when the individual prospers so do the rest of us. The facts speak for themselves. Noone is entitled to anyone else money.

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Because the evangelical also understand that noone is entitled to anyone else money or property.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

Is this why it's been proven that conservatives donate more money to charities than liberals have? Those darned'ol selfish conservatives!!!!

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

WHat makes someone else power company "Business" yours also? Now who is the greedy bastard and who isn't? Hypocrite!

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

If OWS is how you manage land, no thanks. The problem with the liberal ideology is that you think someone else should be the earner while you lay up on your fat ass watching MTV with your hands out waiting for the hand out.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

God forbid you work and buy your own land and stop bitching about not being given something for free.

 

[whitehall]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

You could never even be an independent thinker much less a republican if you accept the radical propaganda the left cranks out every day.

 

[sealybobo]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

You could never even be an independent thinker much less a republican if you accept the radical propaganda the left cranks out every day.

I don't know who you are or how much money you make but it makes a difference. If you are not rich then you are stupid for not joining the Democratic party. Then and only then will the GOP stop catering ONLY to the rich. They got you dumb middle class voters just with wedge issues. Got the entire southern vote with racism. Gets the religious nut vote with abortion and gay issues. Gets the gun nut vote. All these dumb ass middle class American's vote against their own financial interests. Cut ss and medicare, sure. Why? Because that's socialism. Destroy public schools? Sure, because that's socialism.

Then when all the dumb middle class republicans come over to our tent, then they can be the far right fringe of our party. They can tea bag us. Fine. But at least be in the party that represents the middle class. The Republicans got you on the cheap.

Here is some good reading you all need before election day. Oh and by the way, fucking show up and vote. People who vote Democrat tend to only show up every 4 years. Stop that. There should be a tax break only voters get. Then people would show up.

Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda

 

[birddog]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

You could never even be an independent thinker much less a republican if you accept the radical propaganda the left cranks out every day.

I don't know who you are or how much money you make but it makes a difference. If you are not rich then you are stupid for not joining the Democratic party. Then and only then will the GOP stop catering ONLY to the rich. They got you dumb middle class voters just with wedge issues. Got the entire southern vote with racism. Gets the religious nut vote with abortion and gay issues. Gets the gun nut vote. All these dumb ass middle class American's vote against their own financial interests. Cut ss and medicare, sure. Why? Because that's socialism. Destroy public schools? Sure, because that's socialism.

Then when all the dumb middle class republicans come over to our tent, then they can be the far right fringe of our party. They can tea bag us. Fine. But at least be in the party that represents the middle class. The Republicans got you on the cheap.

Here is some good reading you all need before election day. Oh and by the way, fucking show up and vote. People who vote Democrat tend to only show up every 4 years. Stop that. There should be a tax break only voters get. Then people would show up.

Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda

I'll also put you on my list for the next DUMBASS AWARD I issue on "flame!"

 

[bripat9643]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

You could never even be an independent thinker much less a republican if you accept the radical propaganda the left cranks out every day.

I don't know who you are or how much money you make but it makes a difference. If you are not rich then you are stupid for not joining the Democratic party. Then and only then will the GOP stop catering ONLY to the rich. They got you dumb middle class voters just with wedge issues. Got the entire southern vote with racism. Gets the religious nut vote with abortion and gay issues. Gets the gun nut vote. All these dumb ass middle class American's vote against their own financial interests. Cut ss and medicare, sure. Why? Because that's socialism. Destroy public schools? Sure, because that's socialism.

Then when all the dumb middle class republicans come over to our tent, then they can be the far right fringe of our party. They can tea bag us. Fine. But at least be in the party that represents the middle class. The Republicans got you on the cheap.

Here is some good reading you all need before election day. Oh and by the way, fucking show up and vote. People who vote Democrat tend to only show up every 4 years. Stop that. There should be a tax break only voters get. Then people would show up.

Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda

Only morons believe that the Democrat's tax and spend policies are beneficial to the poor and the middle class. That's why the Democrat party is full of morons.

 

[bripat9643]

You could never even be an independent thinker much less a republican if you accept the radical propaganda the left cranks out every day.

I don't know who you are or how much money you make but it makes a difference. If you are not rich then you are stupid for not joining the Democratic party. Then and only then will the GOP stop catering ONLY to the rich. They got you dumb middle class voters just with wedge issues. Got the entire southern vote with racism. Gets the religious nut vote with abortion and gay issues. Gets the gun nut vote. All these dumb ass middle class American's vote against their own financial interests. Cut ss and medicare, sure. Why? Because that's socialism. Destroy public schools? Sure, because that's socialism.

Then when all the dumb middle class republicans come over to our tent, then they can be the far right fringe of our party. They can tea bag us. Fine. But at least be in the party that represents the middle class. The Republicans got you on the cheap.

Here is some good reading you all need before election day. Oh and by the way, fucking show up and vote. People who vote Democrat tend to only show up every 4 years. Stop that. There should be a tax break only voters get. Then people would show up.

Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda

I'll also put you on my list for the next DUMBASS AWARD I issue on "flame!"

I second the nomination!

 

[Bush92]

So you want an authoritarian regime controlling you from Washington D.C., higher taxes and a welfare state?

 

[Avatar4321]

It's selfish to not want to force people to do what a politician or bureaucrat wants? Go figure.

 

[jasonnfree]

So you want an authoritarian regime controlling you from Washington D.C., higher taxes and a welfare state?

If this would create more opportunities for all of us, not just those at the top, answer is yes.

 

[candycorn]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

In my brand of liberalism, I feel that the government offers the only real dependable solution for public assistance. It's not based on cynicism but based on what I think is factual insofar as, if it comes down to feeding my family and making sure they are comfortable, I'm going to do that before I open my checkbook to give money to others. When times are good and personal/family financial security is a given, I have no problem giving. When there are rounds of layoffs and my investments are not providing the returns they once did...it's harder to open the checkbook.

To expect the government to "step in" during downturns and provide assistance only during those stretches is unrealistic.

I never heard what the outcome was about the towns in New Hampshire that were trying the libertarian experiment. I believe they are called free-staters...Free State Project - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It seems as though the movement is being rejected pretty much...new movements always are.

 

[Uncensored2008]

So you want an authoritarian regime controlling you from Washington D.C., higher taxes and a welfare state?

If this would create more opportunities for all of us, not just those at the top, answer is yes.

And here we have it.

The goal of the left is dictatorship.

Thank you for being honest enough to acknowledge it.

 

[sealybobo]

You could never even be an independent thinker much less a republican if you accept the radical propaganda the left cranks out every day.

I don't know who you are or how much money you make but it makes a difference. If you are not rich then you are stupid for not joining the Democratic party. Then and only then will the GOP stop catering ONLY to the rich. They got you dumb middle class voters just with wedge issues. Got the entire southern vote with racism. Gets the religious nut vote with abortion and gay issues. Gets the gun nut vote. All these dumb ass middle class American's vote against their own financial interests. Cut ss and medicare, sure. Why? Because that's socialism. Destroy public schools? Sure, because that's socialism.

Then when all the dumb middle class republicans come over to our tent, then they can be the far right fringe of our party. They can tea bag us. Fine. But at least be in the party that represents the middle class. The Republicans got you on the cheap.

Here is some good reading you all need before election day. Oh and by the way, fucking show up and vote. People who vote Democrat tend to only show up every 4 years. Stop that. There should be a tax break only voters get. Then people would show up.

Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda

Only morons believe that the Democrat's tax and spend policies are beneficial to the poor and the middle class. That's why the Democrat party is full of morons.

The GOP tax and spend. They don't tax the rich, they tax you. And they spend alright. Show me the last GOP president that didn't spend.

But what do they spend it on? Infrastructure and schools? FUCK NO! The GOP even passed tax loopholes so rich people could hide their money overseas and corporations got tax breaks for moving their factories overseas. Who gives a company a tax break to help them move away? Wake the fuck up stupid middle class America. In fact, are you really even middle class anymore? A lot of you pretend to be but you haven't got a raise in years.

P.S. You do know the rich are doing great, right? So if you are complaining, that should tell you something. You are a loser not a winner. You are a worker bee not an owner. Or if you do own something, it's a Subway. Do you know how much a Subway owner makes per year? $30K.

 

[sealybobo]

So you want an authoritarian regime controlling you from Washington D.C., higher taxes and a welfare state?

You just described the Bush era.

You got to realize the GOP didn't lower your taxes fool. They lowered the taxes on the rich. Remember when they go on tv and say, "the democrats want to raise your taxes", they are talking to rich Americans, not you.

They cut taxes on the rich and corporations. That means they shifted the tax burden onto you. Now they need $ for roads and they are coming after us because as they say, "where else are we going to get the money from?" You stupid sheep.

Here is some light reading that might wake you up:

Nobles Need Not Pay Taxes

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

 

[sealybobo]

You could never even be an independent thinker much less a republican if you accept the radical propaganda the left cranks out every day.

I don't know who you are or how much money you make but it makes a difference. If you are not rich then you are stupid for not joining the Democratic party. Then and only then will the GOP stop catering ONLY to the rich. They got you dumb middle class voters just with wedge issues. Got the entire southern vote with racism. Gets the religious nut vote with abortion and gay issues. Gets the gun nut vote. All these dumb ass middle class American's vote against their own financial interests. Cut ss and medicare, sure. Why? Because that's socialism. Destroy public schools? Sure, because that's socialism.

Then when all the dumb middle class republicans come over to our tent, then they can be the far right fringe of our party. They can tea bag us. Fine. But at least be in the party that represents the middle class. The Republicans got you on the cheap.

Here is some good reading you all need before election day. Oh and by the way, fucking show up and vote. People who vote Democrat tend to only show up every 4 years. Stop that. There should be a tax break only voters get. Then people would show up.

Scrooge & Marley, Inc. -- The True Conservative Agenda

Only morons believe that the Democrat's tax and spend policies are beneficial to the poor and the middle class. That's why the Democrat party is full of morons.

For 50 years we thrived when Corporations paid their fair share of taxes and when labor made a fair wage. $17 hr to start back then (in today's dollars) vs. $8 today.

The masses don't have enough money. Please tell me the GOP's plan on how to get the masses/workers a big fat raise. They don't have a plan for that. In fact they are against higher wages. If you work for someone else, you should be voting democratic.

And like I said, we can have a right wing of the Democratic party. Today we call them Blue Dog or DINO's or corporate Democrats.

Fact is if you are a worker you should not be drinking the GOP coolaid. Not good for you.

 

[Uncensored2008]

The GOP tax and spend. They don't tax the rich, they tax you. And they spend alright. Show me the last GOP president that didn't spend.

You could never be a Libertarian because you are far too stupid. The democrats are the party of stupid people, and you are right at home among them.

Oh, and your Messiah spent more in 4 years than Bush did in 8 - a LOT more. Obama has added more debt than all the presidents from Washington through Clinton did.

Only that simpering moron Dubya is even in the same class as Obama, but Obama is dozens of times worse.

Medicare Part D is a boondoggle - but the fuckwad felon Obama doubled down on Bush's stupidity and brought us Fascist care.

You don't grasp this, you're a stupid little drone, you lack the ability for thought - you are programmed by the hate sites to spew party demagoguery - the process of actual thought is one you have never encountered.

But what do they spend it on? Infrastructure and schools? FUCK NO! The GOP even passed tax loopholes so rich people could hide their money overseas and corporations got tax breaks for moving their factories overseas. Who gives a company a tax break to help them move away? Wake the fuck up stupid middle class America. In fact, are you really even middle class anymore? A lot of you pretend to be but you haven't got a raise in years.

Izzatrite sploogy?

Why don't you have your masters at KOS program you to give us some examples?

Oh and you simpering baboon, Medicare Pt. D was the largest deficit line item.

P.S. You do know the rich are doing great, right? So if you are complaining, that should tell you something. You are a loser not a winner. You are a worker bee not an owner. Or if you do own something, it's a Subway. Do you know how much a Subway owner makes per year? $30K.

Yes, you've bee programmed for class warfare, you sound like some idiot from Moscow circa 1915.

Oh and retard, when you make shit up, at least TRY to make it plausible.

 

[emilynghiem]

I want to hear from middle class and poor Ron Paul supporters. I want to hear how they think they will benefit from an every man for himself society. From what I can tell his approach would produce a small upper class and the middle class will become the working poor.

People don't realize it was liberal labor laws, FDR New Deal, tariffs and unions that produced the huge middle class we enjoyed for the last 50 years. It wasn't unregulated free trade. Unregulated Free trade sent 7 million good paying jobs out of the country because we make too much. And Ron Paul wants to double down on the idea? He and Paul Ryan are no different. Bad for America. Not the top 1% but the rest of us, BAD.

Isn't there something between the two?
A balance between individual and collective responsibility and ownership?

since not all people are at the same stage of social political or economic development,
I look at America as a school system, of people from different classes, mixed up together.

We cannot make rules for students in 6th grade and enforce those for post-graduates.
Nor can we make rules for high school seniors and impose those on 2nd graders.

Not everyone has equal knowledge of the laws, conflict resolution, business and property management, and financial investment and credit. So people are NOT equal in this way.

What we CAN do is set up campus network style systems where every community has access. And organize resources LOCALLY to help people identify WHAT AREAS they need help to develop.

Make sure people receive ASSISTANCE at whatever level of management or ownership they are, while they train to work up to the levels they want to be.

So there IS a way where individuals can share in local ownership and responsibility of
self-governed democratically represented districts, while holding individuals accountable for their part of the work and resources they contribute to.

This is where I see America heading.

And it involves an equal MIX of
capital management/free enterprise/free market ideas AND
socialistic or cooperative economics and collective responsibility,
both corporate management and responsibility on a global scale and
sustainable environment and economy on a local level.

SB to create sustainable development, I see it will take EVERYONE and every idea from every group to contribute to collaborative solutions employing diverse input cost effectively.

 

[emilynghiem]

Whoa SB is not stupid. That's not what is causing the lack of understanding here.
SB brought up selfishness. When both parties get so selfish about pushing their agenda,
they can't fully hear out or include the ideas and objections of others,
that is what is causing these deadlocks.

It's from some mix of FEAR and Unforgiveness of past conflicts.
People don't mean to be selfish or come across as not caring, or as "stupid."

We all get blindsided by what we know is right or wrong,
we don't hear what each other is saying that could actually help us with solutions.

First thing to work on is stop the namecalling and assuming the other side is the problem.

The problem is we don't understand each other's objections or biases,
so we imagine that the other side is selfish or stupid.

It's clear to me people on here CARE about solving problems.
We just don't agree on the angles to take. We can understand the direction and focus we relate to.

Where we need HELP is how to work in the corrections and objections that other people have, coming from other directions or experiences, and find better ways to improve on solutions and reform the systems to address ALL these concerns and solve problems TOGETHER. That is a much better use of given resources than wasting that fighting over problems we could be fixing instead.

Maybe "stubborn" is more the term, but certainly not "stupid."
We can all be 'stupid' by missing the obvious, but that's because we are so used
to focusing on something else, we don't get what someone else sees from their angle.

Take care, and let's try to work on finding good points and better ideas we can respect in each other, not just jumping on weak points that need correction. We need both. Thanks!

The GOP tax and spend. They don't tax the rich, they tax you. And they spend alright. Show me the last GOP president that didn't spend.

You could never be a Libertarian because you are far too stupid. The democrats are the party of stupid people, and you are right at home among them.

Oh, and your Messiah spent more in 4 years than Bush did in 8 - a LOT more. Obama has added more debt than all the presidents from Washington through Clinton did.

Only that simpering moron Dubya is even in the same class as Obama, but Obama is dozens of times worse.

Medicare Part D is a boondoggle - but the fuckwad felon Obama doubled down on Bush's stupidity and brought us Fascist care.

You don't grasp this, you're a stupid little drone, you lack the ability for thought - you are programmed by the hate sites to spew party demagoguery - the process of actual thought is one you have never encountered.

But what do they spend it on? Infrastructure and schools? FUCK NO! The GOP even passed tax loopholes so rich people could hide their money overseas and corporations got tax breaks for moving their factories overseas. Who gives a company a tax break to help them move away? Wake the fuck up stupid middle class America. In fact, are you really even middle class anymore? A lot of you pretend to be but you haven't got a raise in years.

Izzatrite sploogy?

Why don't you have your masters at KOS program you to give us some examples?

Oh and you simpering baboon, Medicare Pt. D was the largest deficit line item.

P.S. You do know the rich are doing great, right? So if you are complaining, that should tell you something. You are a loser not a winner. You are a worker bee not an owner. Or if you do own something, it's a Subway. Do you know how much a Subway owner makes per year? $30K.

Yes, you've bee programmed for class warfare, you sound like some idiot from Moscow circa 1915.

Oh and retard, when you make shit up, at least TRY to make it plausible.